that manifold minus rails and injectors only weighed a few pounds too. and it went through MANY revisions before it hit the car and MANY more before it hit a track, and several more after that.

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Should have Trips remove his post for hyjacking... Not cool..

I hope one of those possible mistake wont actually be one..

as per my PM to you , I want one ! ;) *the flange...*

What are u Guys so pissed off about it isnt going to be the greatest manifold evah. Its not bad but it isnt going to be legendary. And cj the c6r manifold is more than carbon fiber plenums and u know that. Im just saying it isnt a "Masterpiece" half of it is a factory part that is plain crap.

I give trips more faith that he wont remove my post because it s relevant respectful and not bashing pm me with a valid reason why i should take it down and i will do it myself.

And power through restrictions really cj thats about the noobs thread isnt it. I put it in noob terms that effictively describe whats happening without posting a bunch of pages going into a deep technical explanation of everything that happens in a fi engine.

And yeah im sure youll charge less than c6r because you dont have a fleet of engineers squeezing every last bit of power out of it and you wont be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on this rd its true its not bashing your making an affordable replacement piece. It wouldnt be affordable if you did.

If you make nicer manifolds than hogan how come they sell many times more than you, how come they are the go to guys for MANY motorsports teams and hundreds of drag cars. Unless you are talking about contruction, sheet metal manifolds dont appeal to everyone so you can say an all billet manifold would look nicer and be physically stronger.

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Im not mad at your post and I don't see any reason why trips or any of the bosses should delete your posts.

The fact that CJ doesn't sell as much as other high brand company because of marketing if I assume right.

See, CJM never disappointed me on their products and this is actually a nice piece to look at compared to stock or any other aftermarket manifold available for this car up to date..

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This conversation makes me feel like you guys have never talked to Charles over the phone (or maybe just to ask about something very specific). I while back I spoke with Charles extensively about the direction that I wanted to take my build and what parts/services I could enlist from him. So far, he is exceeding the request the I made of him a few years ago and should sell quite a bit of the parts that he used on his car if he chooses to allow them into production.

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Charles:

I may have to take you up on that offer of putting together a box/package, lol. You have a lot of parts that I would like installed on your build as well as coming up soon. Unfortunately, I am still waiting on my replacement radiator (if CSF decides that they will replace it). I just hope I can get back in the game before you start getting backed up with orders.

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Purpose? I don't have an agenda nor do I need one. This is an open public forum and I am allowed to express my opinion within the rules set by the forum administrators. I responded to a comment that I know was inaccurate with a relevant respectful response that you clearly took the wrong way. Instead of bickering and saying you make the best manifolds ever, that when i just went to your website and checked wasn't even tested on an NA car and cost almost 3grand, why don't you actually try to explain and sell to me why this manifold is a

masterpiece definition 1
: a work done with extraordinary skill; especially : a supreme intellectual or artistic achievement

supreme definitionsu·preme
adjective \sə-ˈprēm, sü-\

: highest in rank or authority

: highest in degree or quality : greatest or highest possible
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What actually makes this manifold the greatest or best possible manifold that can be made for a VHR. All i see is you are shortening the runners, adding velocity stacks and putting larger plenums on it which is basic stuff, and I'm assuming you have done rough heimholtz calculations and are applying common sense, anything else? where is the masterpiece?

Also if you are comparing hogan manifolds as a cobalt to your bugatti (which is a msterpiece) manifolds, what you are saying is you are only going to make a few, they are going to be incredibly expensive, heavily engineered, and they will be the industry performance benchmark, with accolades including multiple world records, and what all others will strive to be... I don't see that I see your manifolds as more of a good homemade pizza to hogans artisan chicago deep dish, while it is better than most take out pizza's, it isn't something you could live off of, thats why you make fuel components as your bread and butter, and hogans sells manifolds.

Aside from all the arguing, just want to give credit to phunk for attempting to make something many have been looking for for quite some time. Anyone that's making new performance parts for the Z34 platform should be applauded.

Can't wait to see a finished product and what the performance gains are on an NA motor. I have a hard time believing that even the ported Z1 manifold is truly optimized for all out power and torque.

it's going to be a nice manifold

Totally agree with this,
I haven't seen anywhere about Phunk saying it would be a masterpiece but somebody else who made it look like it could be the best ever part ever made.

What Phunk as in project on the Intake manifold side, should be a very nice parts that look like you will be able to experiment with different intake runner
which is a very big bonus the rest is still unknown.

I might not know a lot but I wouldn't compare a part made on the VHR engine against a way superior engine/race car setup that has small restrictor but still make a ton of power...
cant compare apple Vs orange..

and fwiw this is my idea of a intake manifold masterpiece/benchmark:
http://performancedesign.com/wp-cont...-Intake-04.jpg

Admittedly I don't expect the one that phunk's working on to be anything like this as I doubt most Z34 owners can afford a $5k manifold.

No c6r no care