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LiquidZ 07-06-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by F.I. Inc. (Post 108115)
Update-


The weight of the stock cat back is 57 LBS.

The weight of our Stainless Steel version W/12" resonators is 47 LBS.
(10 LBS lighter)

The weight of our Carbon Fiber muffler version w/12" resonators is 41LBS.
(16 LBS. lighter)

That is awesome! Any pictures of the scale readings? I don't want to sound like I'm doubting you, but vendors tend to post pictures of their scale readings.

pty370z 07-06-2009 01:27 PM

Wow.. This exhaust sounds amazing and looks awesome too.. Nice numbers on the weight difference..

I had my eye on the Stillen exhaust because of the sound and power gain.. Can't wait to see a dyno chart on this system..

Wonderful job guys.. This is definitely on my checklist..

semtex 07-06-2009 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 108167)
Is there even an "exhaust" there? Sounds about like what you'd hear with the cats removed, and nothing else hooked up - lol...

Are you for real? Tell you what -- do a search on "saclam." There are already two separate threads on the SACLAM exhaust on this forum.

kannibul 07-06-2009 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 108190)
Are you for real? Tell you what -- do a search on "saclam." There are already two separate threads on the SACLAM exhaust on this forum.

Oh, I am SOOO 4 real 4 sure d00d.


I was being sarcastic...

dszombiex 07-06-2009 02:21 PM

Looks and sounds amazing. Count me in for this.

Cyberium 07-06-2009 02:50 PM

I am definitely in for this as well. Group buy ?? Special Pricing?? I NEED MORE INFORMATION!!!!1one!!

shabarivas 07-06-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 108140)
As far as I know, any changes from the OEM exhaust is not legal in California.

That is NOT true - there is a certain decibel limit and if you have an EO number for the exhaust you will be fine. Funny thing is that you dont even need to have it approved - as long as the exhaust has been filed for the EO number all should be well.

F.I. Inc. 07-06-2009 03:15 PM

Just to inform everyone, I have the pricing set and I am just one phone call away. I am taking orders as we speak but I will not post any pricing until I officially launch the sale.

The sale will not launch until I have dyno results later this week!

I will respectfully ask, anyone who talks to me and purchases the exhaust to not post the pricing...

Thank you, Tony
Fast Intentions Inc.
(818) 882-2788

tonmed123 07-06-2009 03:20 PM

We Dont Need No Stinkin Dyno
 
Ha ...Just got off the phone with Tony. My PO number is 001! Price is awesome but wll not be released to public until one more week. Good news though, you can call him directly and place your order today. By the looks of it you are up against a whole lot of people who want this bad. The response has been outstanding. ORDER NOW!!!!:happydance::driving:

theDreamer 07-06-2009 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonmed123 (Post 108287)
Ha ...Just got off the phone with Tony. My PO number is 001! Price is awesome but wll not be released to public until one more week. Good news though, you can call him directly and place your order today. By the looks of it you are up against a whole lot of people who want this bad. The response has been outstanding. ORDER NOW!!!!:happydance::driving:

You are definitely showing me this when you get it in and installed, you picking up some HFCs to go along with it or no?

semtex 07-06-2009 03:40 PM

I'm really surprised at how many people are ready to jump in before seeing dyno numbers. Don't you guys care about gains? Or is it all about the sound? I'm sure the gains will be fine, mind you. But still, do you guys think of exhausts primarily as an aesthetic enhancement? Different strokes, I guess.

F.I. Inc. 07-06-2009 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 108304)
I'm really surprised at how many people are ready to jump in before seeing dyno numbers. Don't you guys care about gains? Or is it all about the sound? I'm sure the gains will be fine, mind you. But still, do you guys think of exhausts primarily as an aesthetic enhancement? Different strokes, I guess.


No, you are actually making a good point. But, one thing that I ask you to keep in consideration is the fact that we (Fast Intentions) have been in the Z community for almost 10 years. We have made a very large push dating back to the Z32.

In addition, this engine the VQHR has been out since 2007 in the 350Z. We have sold hundreds of units for that as well as the G37!

It will make the power, no doubt in my mind, but for an N/A car that is not the most important factor for some people!

In comparison to a turbo or supercharged car, the gains will be minimal. People know that going in to it so they focus to aesthetics, sound and cost.

However, this exhaust system is designed to maximize every aspect of the game for them starting with torque and power...

Thanks, Tony

kannibul 07-06-2009 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.I. Inc. (Post 108316)
No, you are actually making a good point. But, one thing that I ask you to keep in consideration is the fact that we (Fast Intentions) have been in the Z community for almost 10 years. We have made a very large push dating back to the Z32.

In addition, this engine the VQHR has been out since 2007 in the 350Z. We have sold hundreds of units for that as well as the G37!

It will make the power, no doubt in my mind, but for an N/A car that is not the most important factor for some people!

In comparison to a turbo or supercharged car, the gains will be minimal. People know that going in to it so they focus to aesthetics, sound and cost.

However, this exhaust system is designed to maximize every aspect of the game for them starting with torque and power...

Thanks, Tony

I caught you off guard with the automatic transmission ;)

I wanted the 6MT, but they only had automatics, and they'd give me an automatic for invoice, where if I had a 6MT brought in, it'd cost me $1000 more (that's after haggling...)

I test drove it, and figured what the heck, less to worry about. It's a very stiff feeling automatic...especially in sport mode... :)

m4a1mustang 07-06-2009 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 108304)
I'm really surprised at how many people are ready to jump in before seeing dyno numbers. Don't you guys care about gains? Or is it all about the sound? I'm sure the gains will be fine, mind you. But still, do you guys think of exhausts primarily as an aesthetic enhancement? Different strokes, I guess.

I said it in a previous post and I'll say it again: I will gladly give up some gains if the sound is that much better.

There's no point in getting the exhaust with the best gains on a street car if you don't like the way it sounds.

So if this only makes 10 rwhp and the Still makes 18 rwhp, but I like the sound of this one better... I'll buy this one. If this were a track only car... different story. But it's my DD and I want it to sound the way I want it to sound!

kannibul 07-06-2009 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 108339)
I said it in a previous post and I'll say it again: I will gladly give up some gains if the sound is that much better.

There's no point in getting the exhaust with the best gains on a street car if you don't like the way it sounds.

So if this only makes 10 rwhp and the Still makes 18 rwhp, but I like the sound of this one better... I'll buy this one. If this were a track only car... different story. But it's my DD and I want it to sound the way I want it to sound!

:iagree:

Gains can be had in other ways besides dyno numbers.

ZforMe 07-06-2009 04:19 PM

Would love to hear this exhaust with Berk HFC's and the 18" resonators option.

Or FI's HFC's...

theDreamer 07-06-2009 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 108304)
I'm really surprised at how many people are ready to jump in before seeing dyno numbers. Don't you guys care about gains? Or is it all about the sound? I'm sure the gains will be fine, mind you. But still, do you guys think of exhausts primarily as an aesthetic enhancement? Different strokes, I guess.

I agree, my order is power/sound/price, but what I hope to see with most exhaust systems is you can get anyone and the difference will be +/-5WHP. Then it just leaves it to sound for me, but I have high hopes most of the time.

shabarivas 07-06-2009 04:29 PM

^ videos are only a so-so indication of sound - you really have to hear it in person...

Sonic370Z 07-06-2009 04:31 PM

I considered the 18" res but I'm affraid that should I remove the HFC's for whatever reason down the road I'll wish I had the 12" one with the stock cats.

Tony, when you recommended the 18" with HFC, do you feel like there would be a HUGE difference between the two (compared to 12")? Is it a matter of pitch/tone/volume or would it reduce rasp?

Also, as I said I'm ready to purchase today and would be more than happy to pair the combo and record video, write a review, etc. If you would like, PM me a price shipped to 40509.

When do you approximate the initial sales will be built/shipped? (if I were to pay you now)

Sonic370Z 07-06-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 108304)
I'm really surprised at how many people are ready to jump in before seeing dyno numbers. Don't you guys care about gains? Or is it all about the sound? I'm sure the gains will be fine, mind you. But still, do you guys think of exhausts primarily as an aesthetic enhancement? Different strokes, I guess.

As Tony already said, they're well established enough and their previous applications all showed nice gains that I feel confident in this system, even before seeing dynos. Also, as someone else pointed out, for me, a few HP (5-10) on a dyno will more than likely go unnoticed to me daily driving, however I will listen to her purr every time I'm behind the wheel. That being said, to a point, I'm willing to place sound/looks over power when we're talking on a small scale such as gains between catback exhaust systems.

F.I. Inc. 07-06-2009 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 108339)
I said it in a previous post and I'll say it again: I will gladly give up some gains if the sound is that much better.

There's no point in getting the exhaust with the best gains on a street car if you don't like the way it sounds.

So if this only makes 10 rwhp and the Still makes 18 rwhp, but I like the sound of this one better... I'll buy this one. If this were a track only car... different story. But it's my DD and I want it to sound the way I want it to sound!

Well put!

terrycs 07-06-2009 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 108339)
So if this only makes 10 rwhp and the Still makes 18 rwhp, but I like the sound of this one better... I'll buy this one. If this were a track only car... different story. But it's my DD and I want it to sound the way I want it to sound!

The FI exhaust on my sedan uses "only" 2.25 pipes and already gets 9 WHp averaged over 3 pulls each. The pipes were changed with the car on the dyno so the pulls are good. Still works great with forced induction as well.;)

You guys will definitely get good before/after power comparisons.

tonmed123 07-06-2009 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 108293)
You are definitely showing me this when you get it in and installed, you picking up some HFCs to go along with it or no?

Dreamer whats up, As soon as I install it Ill cruise on over to run it side by side with your car. As far as the HFC's go I took Tony's advice to test out the catback with the 18 inch resonsators first. After which I may go ahead and swap out the cats. These of course will be also Fast Intentions. My ship date is close to the end of the month.

Phimosis 07-06-2009 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 108372)
I agree, my order is power/sound/price, but what I hope to see with most exhaust systems is you can get anyone and the difference will be +/-5WHP. Then it just leaves it to sound for me, but I have high hopes most of the time.

You probably CAN get any one of them and be neck in neck with power output, but the only way to really know is to have an independent 3rd party do 3 baseline dynos, install exhaust #1, do 3 dyno runs, install exhaust #2 and do 3 dyno runs.

As many forum threads have stated, a typical exhuast hp gain on the vq37vhr is less than 10 hp from aftermarket exhaust alone. When a competitor claims 20 hp gain and your product is only showing showing 7 hp gain on your dyno, it gives you a lot of incentive to fudge numbers so that your exhaust setup looks as good as the competition. Its easy to do. You can change the calibration on your dyno, telling it that it is at a different altitude than it really is. You can do your "before" dyno runs during the hot part of the day so the hp on the car is down, you could add a little 100 octane to the tank, you can change how much cold air is directed to the front of the car from fans, etc. If you want the dyno software to print all that info, it can. A lot of tuners don't want it on the dyno printout because then you can figure out where they fudged the numbers.

The only way to compare the Fast Intentions exahaust to Stillen or any other manufacturer accurately is to run it on the same car, on the same dyno, at the same humidity, temperature and barometric pressure. Otherwise the numbers are not truely valid.

Since the above scenario is not likely going to happen, I would buy the exhaust based on sound preference, just knowing that there's not going to be much difference between competitor #1 and #2 in terms of performance.

-Phim

kannibul 07-06-2009 06:31 PM

One thing I noticed in a few clips in the exhaust sound/video clip thread is there are a couple that have the "rattle can" thing going on.

I can't stand that in my exhaust as it makes me think something is wrong.

Stillen/Berk is one that it popped up with someone driving and it's a turn off, which, given that was my best previous choice, I have to ask - does this one have that rattle-can sound at any RPM?

m4a1mustang 07-06-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 108446)
One thing I noticed in a few clips in the exhaust sound/video clip thread is there are a couple that have the "rattle can" thing going on.

I can't stand that in my exhaust as it makes me think something is wrong.

Stillen/Berk is one that it popped up with someone driving and it's a turn off, which, given that was my best previous choice, I have to ask - does this one have that rattle-can sound at any RPM?

I think that was an issue of part of the exhaust not clearing a suspension component. The result was a metal on metal rattle. I know Berk said they worked around this and Stillen exhausts required some fiddling around on the install.

G37Sam 07-06-2009 07:48 PM

Wow now the guys at the370Z are getting some FI love too eh? haha that's one mean sounding exhaust, went for it on my G37 and never looked back lol

Ground clearance of the mufflers shouldn't be a big issue since they're aligned nicely with the wheels meaning they'll move up and down with the wheels as you go over speed bumps. Of course, you still need to drive carefully with a drop, angle in, angle out etc..

Those of you curious on how it sounded on my G (since we pretty much have the same engine) can check out the video's I recorded a while back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Z6Q8jTYac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glMM8kxjcgU

He sure left a satisfied customer in Dubai and to that I owe him those vids haha, keep up the great work Tony :)

Sam

m4a1mustang 07-06-2009 07:51 PM

Dude that sounds awesome with the test pipes! :tup::tup::tup:

DannyGT 07-06-2009 08:02 PM

Sounds like the FI exhaust + test pipes have ALOT LESS rasp/high pitch rattle in that 2.5-3k range compared to others systems...Looks very well built too!

G37Sam 07-06-2009 08:02 PM

Thanks Steve, forces me to keep the radio off sometimes haha

Togo 07-06-2009 08:12 PM

What I want to know is why do they recomend the 18" resonators with HFCs but 12" resonators if stock cats? Is it because with the HFCs the exhaust might be too loud or is it related to Rasp?




G37Sam - Those vids sounded amazing. I love the way this thing sounds!

import111 07-06-2009 08:17 PM

I pulled the trigger and ordered this exhaust for my 370Z. I ordered the carbon fiber mufflers version (6 lbs. lighter than regular mufflers), and I have Berk HFC's sitting here that will be installed the same time as the exhaust. I am confident that this exhaust will have good power gains. 2.5 inch diameter piping, good x-pipe design, and the mufflers go straight out instead of the stacked design that has more bends. I anxiously await the arrival of my new exhaust.

F.I. Inc. 07-06-2009 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G37Sam (Post 108517)
Wow now the guys at the370Z are getting some FI love too eh? haha that's one mean sounding exhaust, went for it on my G37 and never looked back lol

Ground clearance of the mufflers shouldn't be a big issue since they're aligned nicely with the wheels meaning they'll move up and down with the wheels as you go over speed bumps. Of course, you still need to drive carefully with a drop, angle in, angle out etc..

Those of you curious on how it sounded on my G (since we pretty much have the same engine) can check out the video's I recorded a while back

YouTube - Fast Intentions Non Resonated Test Pipes

YouTube - G37 Resonated Test Pipes + FI Catback Revving

He sure left a satisfied customer in Dubai and to that I owe him those vids haha, keep up the great work Tony :)

Sam

Hey there he is, Sam.

My Middle Eastern exhaust distributor. I am glad you chimed in buddy. It is always nice to hear from you. BTW, the Sedan system for your friend should be in the mail by Friday...

Thanks, Tony

G37Sam 07-06-2009 08:18 PM

IMO, the non resonated test pipes did introduce a little rasp down the road which I didn't like, and became (police magnet) loud lol. That was why I fitted resonaters in them later on.

It is a different story with HFC's though, I'd say it has to do with it becoming very loud and not a rasp issue.

F.I. Inc. 07-06-2009 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by import111 (Post 108536)
I pulled the trigger and ordered this exhaust for my 370Z. I ordered the carbon fiber mufflers version (6 lbs. lighter than regular mufflers), and I have Berk HFC's sitting here that will be installed the same time as the exhaust. I am confident that this exhaust will have good power gains. 2.5 inch diameter piping, good x-pipe design, and the mufflers go straight out instead of the stacked design that has more bends. I anxiously await the arrival of my new exhaust.


You hit the nail right on the head! Thanks for the order #002

G37Sam 07-06-2009 08:22 PM

Good call with the CF mufflers, they do look insane from behind haha

http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/q...m/rearshot.jpg

F.I. Inc. 07-06-2009 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togo (Post 108530)
What I want to know is why do they recommend the 18" resonators with HFCs but 12" resonators if stock cats? Is it because with the HFCs the exhaust might be too loud or is it related to Rasp?




G37Sam - Those vids sounded amazing. I love the way this thing sounds!

Ask and you shall recieve...

The reason we recommend the 18" resonators has nothing to do with rasp. It has to do with interior noise resonance AKA: Drone!

The longer resonator will not hurt performance. It will not change the pitch. Well, I lied it might make it deeper with more of a rumble. I personally think it will sound great with HFC's!

The point is to achieve the optimum sound without driving you crazy inside the car. I also like to give you all options. Options are good as people are different and like different things. But, don't worry about rasp. That will not be an issue.

G37Sam 07-06-2009 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F.I. Inc. (Post 108537)
Hey there he is, Sam.

My Middle Eastern exhaust distributor. I am glad you chimed in buddy. It is always nice to hear from you. BTW, the Sedan system for your friend should be in the mail by Friday...

Thanks, Tony

haha that's good news Tony!

Togo 07-06-2009 08:28 PM

Wow, thanks for the prompt response. That answered that completely. I was wondering if it would change the pitch at all but if it just gets deeper, then great! You can't go wrong with that. I think a lot of people will run HFCs so thats a good bit of info right there.


On a side note, does anyone have some close up shots with the CF can?

m4a1mustang 07-06-2009 08:30 PM

What size are the resonators in the video? 12" ?

I think I'd want to go with HFCs in the future, but I'm not 100% sure... so I wouldn't know which exhaust I should order...


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