just waiting to hear from john about these!

This'd be perfect for me if aFe Takeda CAI's are included too. That and if you guys weren't 10 hours away XD

in for more info on dyno tests and group buy / pricing

I am pleased to anounce that we are ready to start producing some intake for all of you enthusiasts. I am getting the group buy pricing and availibilty now so keep posted for the group buy!

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Really pumped for these!

The anticipation is killing me. :tup:

Group Buy at this link------->http://www.the370z.com/group-buys/57...group-buy.html

First on the List..

I'm not too convinced, Stillen engineers say 18 whp (realistically, still about 10-15 whp), and they're selling at 500 right off the website. A vendor here could offer them, shipped, for less than what is offered right now by you guys at Akuma.

I'm all for the little guy coming up and also providing us with more alternatives, but I'm not seeing many good reasons right now. I also realize I sound ridiculously pretentious but yeah.

I share the same feelings as 370z Purist. Although I was anxiously awaiting good results from this cai, I am slightly disappointed that these new intakes are at the same price point as the stillens. I was definitely interested in showing support for a small company, but if I had to choose where to drop $500, I'd go with the bigger name.

You cant expect people to shell out another $500 for intakes without dyno proven gains vs a Stillen setup, otherwise stock for stock or with the same mods on the same car for an even comparison. Just my $0.02.

-We have done a comparison of stock intake verse our intake and the only mods the car had on it was a catback on our mustang dyno
-Saw 20whp increase (dyno results are on the first page or 2 of this thread)

I can absolutely see your point of view however consider the following....
Our products have always spoken for themselves and for our price your getting better intakes designed and tuned by someone who is a professional.

All of the other intakes including stillen, injen, and aem go for over $500 on there website and unlike theres we include free coding if you have an uprev or cobb AP, or your welcome to come get a tune. I dont see any other manufacturer of intakes offering that high of customer service in order to make sure everyone has a great set-up for there car.

Anyone who gets a set please put up a review!

Also a WAY Better design then Stillen.

You're offering a free tune, I know that, but does your tuner know enough to tune for every other combination of bolt-ons? At this point in the 370Z's marketed life, a large portion of owners already have invested in an exhaust, other intake mods... etc. Or are you only offering a tune if these intakes are the only mod? Also, Cobb dropped support for the VQ37.

Other than slightly different bends, I don't see how this design is that much better considering it still makes the same amount of gains. If it were truly a better design, not only would it be cheaper (not considering the tune), it would produce better power. Seeing as Stillen's primary market is Nissan, I don't see how you can necessarily surpass that kind of massive engineering manpower. Akuma is just entering the territory of the VQ.

First of all, it is not a real tune per se, but an adjustment to correct the fuel multiplier so that the engine will read correctly with the increased MAF housing diameter vs stock. My understanding is that there are no other air/fuel or spark adjustments. This is nice of them to provide though, although it is necessary as well.

I dont think the bends are a problem on the Stillen as it is quite straight before the MAF. The only "advantages" that have potential are the one piece design for looks and possibly a bit better airflow and the increase in piping diameter to 2.75" vs the Stillen diameter of 2.5".

However, we do not know how the diameter increase actually affects the overall power curve because we do not have a direct Stillen vs Akuma comparison with all other mods kept the same. This is why I mentioned a few times that we need that before people should shell out any money if they already have the Stillen Gen 3's.


Stillen has professional designers as well, although I do not doubt that Akuma does as well. Show us a dyno please with a direct Stillen Gen 3 vs Akuma 2.75" comparison to demonstrate the "better intakes" comment. If the Akuma intakes dont make more power, I dont see how they would be better other than aesthetics, which is a lot to spend $500 for. Nobody is bashing, we just need to see results vs your competition to buy into these at the price point they are selling for. The longer that people go without seeing evidence, the more they probably will think there is no supporting evidence. The same thing went for the Kinetix manifold for the 370Z which was never shown to have gains. Turns out, it did not make any gains, which is why Kinetix never provided dyno evidence to support their part.

Getting comparisons are always hard!

To get the most out of long tubes is tuning and a good shop fan! Evening road tuning if possible, closer to simulating road air temps/density helps get the most out of them.

Cause in the end a pipe is a pipe no magic vudu!

Yep, but we need them for sure on this similar of a product. A lot of us are very curious to see how the consistent 2.75" diameter affects the power curve. That will make a difference over the 2.5", we just dont know how specifically.

Exactly my point. Stillen's engineers are VQ masters. Not only that, but Takeda has also released their cold air, which is VERY similar, but offered at a slightly different price point. From what we've seen on forum member's cars, the gains are also very similar. I don't know about the piping on that product, but 2.75" piping will reduce intake velocity, obviously, and so it might make some difference.

Otherwise, I'm just gonna call it here and just say they're all the same damned thing. Pipes.

I'm just gonna add that the advertised gains on the group buy page was 8-12whp last week and has now been changed to 12-14whp.

Dyno will tell all. Maybe Akuma could send a set out to someone for a before/after dyno with other mods kept the same to avoid bias.

Seeing as they were previously trying to source a Z in NJ for doing comparo dyno runs, they would probably have told us if they reached a result. Since such a thing has not happened, I guess we're still waiting on legitimate, concrete dyno evidence.

They have a car for comparison dyno runs in NJ. Just waiting for the intakes to be done and I'll head up there so we can see the difference. I'm sure with Johns(akumas) knowledge and craftsmanship it will see more power then the stillen gen 3s! I have been to the shop and saw these intakes on a car they are specifically made for our cars with performance in mind. If John thought the stillens made more power he would have them on his Track car trust me he wants to go fast. I believe he made a better design and we will just have to see how it goes with the dyno, I'll be sure to post up the charts asap either way

We have concrete evidence of how they worked on a 370 with stock intakes and without stock intakes earlier on in this thread which i have mentioned already. The car we dyno'd was johns 2012 370z the first run is with an invidia catback and stock intakes, the second is with the invidia catback and our intakes which made 20whp over run number 1. If anybody has any questions i will be happy to post up the dyno sheet again to satisfy everyones concerns

We have no exact comparison to the stillens or anything yet only comparison from stock intake to Akuma Rev 2 Intakes

Finally a vendor that shows progression and evidence of success for a product being sold on this forum. Finally a vendor not just selling replicas with just renderings and no actual proof of a product. Akuma has kept lines of communication open and actually showed R&D process. No secret about their products. A breathe of fresh for this forum if you ask me.

Kudos to Akuma.

But yet some are still upset? :shakes head:

Not upset, just need to see direct comparison results, which is a critical piece for new products especially when there are lots of competitors. :tup: $500 is not chump change so we want to know there is a power gain over Stillen before buying.

Thank you for your recognition, we try to keep our ideas and designs as open as possible for consumers to give there insight and ideas as well. We are here to make a great product for you guys that is just as good as a big time manufacturer but with better customer service and pricing and it is nice too see some people recognize that so to you guys thanks! :tup:

As far as comparisons go the dyno comparison with stock intakes verse our intake is the best comparison we have with as little mods on the car as possible for now. We are still open for anyone with just intakes to come in and do a couple FREE pulls.

They are certainly comparable if not better than almost all intakes out there. They were built and designed by John himself who is a self taught genius and knows how to engineer just about anything

You can speek with anyone who has our GT-R intakes, EVO X Intakes/Intercooler Piping or any of our custom or other retail products and they can speak about them better than anyone else. Our products are built with performance as the soul purpose.

What is so sad to hear is that there is a company out there that is trying to manufacture a product for our vehicles and support our community and the only thing they get in return is a bunch a **** from the community that they are trying to support.

I'm sure the gains are comparable, if different, due to intake velocity differences. Even if this was exactly the same as the Stillen intakes, I'd buy this because Stillen can stand to lose a sale more so, and so I can support a smaller shop.

I don't think we're giving them ****, although I forgot they're still offering free dyno pulls for comparison. I'm more surprised no one wants to use the opportunity for FREE pulls. Seriously.

I was excited to see where this was going from the beginning with the gains and group buy, but overall this is not much of a deal to me. Stillen is basically the same cost and Takeda has one of similar design of Stillen for less... I also don't really follow the logic of support the small guy and pay more or the same theory... I buy the best deal of the best product period... I think people wanting to see results before throwing half a G at this is fair. One comparison isn't solid enough proof of expected gains. Yes most of us see that they are offering a free pull...well then we might have a better idea, but criticizing people for asking dyno numbers before shelling out $500 sounds reasonable to me....

Bingo, and its the type of comparison that we are asking for. Again, could Akuma send a pair out to someone to do a comparison on since they cant get someone in house? I offered this to them to do a direct Stillen to Akuma 2.75" intake review but never heard back.

I have to admit this is a little surprising. We were working on an arrangement for me to do a comparison vs the NISMO R-Tune intakes as well, but after weeks of communication back and forth and a couple lengthy conversations with John @ Akuma, I got a message the other day saying I could purchase a set for $489 + shipping... The whole idea was to test them for results for the community without having to lay out $500+ of my own money, I guess maybe the price of components and labor just got to be too dear for them to afford to send out sets for testing purposes... Happens sometimes when a company is small. There may also be a communication disconnect between John and his staff, he's a super busy guy and may not have had the time to communicate all of the arrangements he had in mind to his staff.

Anyhow, I am sure we'll get some results soon from folks who have bought these intakes and that they'll be better than the Stillen units. Just have some patience guys. :) Myself, I'll be engineering my own solution. Something in carbon. :)

I too was discussing a similar comparison for them for a discounted price on the intakes, since I have to pay for Dyno and Retune time but never heard back after a conversation or two. I have a customized Stillen intake setup. Shrug?

I can't understand how a difference of a couple whp difference is so damn important. This is absolutely petty. People on here are acting like a comparison to Stillen is the only metric. Grow up. It's only tubes and a filter. It's placed and routed logically, so any gains or losses will almost certainly be within a margin of error. They supplied results with a CBE, which most of you ha e or plan to install amyways. If its so important, research the forums for dyno results on the Stillen intake with A CBE.

Im pretty sure everyone's criticisms stem from the fact that akuma's intakes had built so much expectation that there would be a matched competitor to the stillen intakes at what people thought would be a lower price point.
I feel the disappointment is mainly because akuma isn't as big of a name as stillen and the big name price wasnt included in the expectations.

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This is because 90% of the people on this forum are dyno queens, and never come across a real race or track day. You Never know when that three more horsepower will make a differance, lol... I have nothing bad to say about stillen but I guarantee that mostly everyone that has there intake is because of word of mouth and not experience with other designs.

PM or give us a call at 732-326-0090 if you are interested in getting a set or have any questions or concerns as i can see many of you do. Thanks!

Couldnt agree more Rooskey.







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For the same price why wouldnt you go with the one that makes more power even if it is only 2 or 3 hp. Most people have the Stillens because they have PROVED that they are the best on the market.