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miguez · 06-23-2009, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Zach1340

thank you, so would the stillen exhaust not be the best way to go then?

I wouldn't say that. The Stillen exhaust is one of the best as far as power gain is concerned. It also has a very nice sound, and competitive weight.

It might be wise to wait for the Berk exhaust to see what they come up with, and even Borla's might be worth the wait.

import111 · 06-23-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by miguez

It also has a very nice sound, and competitive weight.

Competitive weight? It is the heaviest exhaust I have seen for the 370Z so far. AAM is lighter by at least 5 lbs., and the Fujimura is 10 lbs. lighter than stock which is way lighter than the Stillen which is around 10 lbs. heavier than stock.

Granted we need weights on more exhausts to see what is the norm, but from what I have seen so far the Stillen is heavy as hell.

theDreamer · 06-23-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by import111

Competitive weight? It is the heaviest exhaust I have seen for the 370Z so far. AAM is lighter by at least 5 lbs., and the Fujimura is 10 lbs. lighter than stock which is way lighter than the Stillen which is around 10 lbs. heavier than stock.

Granted we need weights on more exhausts to see what is the norm, but from what I have seen so far the Stillen is heavy as hell.

But in a competitive sense, how much gain is in the AAM or Fujimura (I have not seen dyno results from those two)? The Stillen offers one of the highest rear wheel HP gains from a CBE so far and only adds 10 pounds. Now if AAM or Fujimura can get close (does not have to equal) in performance and reduce weight then it is a tough call on which is better then.

import111 · 06-23-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

But in a competitive sense, how much gain is in the AAM or Fujimura (I have not seen dyno results from those two)? The Stillen offers one of the highest rear wheel HP gains from a CBE so far and only adds 10 pounds. Now if AAM or Fujimura can get close (does not have to equal) in performance and reduce weight then it is a tough call on which is better then.

That is all personal preference. I am just pointing out that this guy said the Stillen has a competitive weight, and from what I have seen, that is a false statement.

miguez · 06-23-2009, 09:55 AM

Being a false statement or not depends on what you are considering, as theDreamer mentioned. Most exhausts that add significant performance are heavier than the stock exhaust, basically due to the stainless steel used in their manufacturing, and partly to their design. So, given Stillen's choice of material, acquisition cost, and mainly their performance gain and sound note, that is competitive.

If weight is a major priority, full-titanium exhausts are available, some with good sound quality, but their price is on a different scale.

import111 · 06-23-2009, 10:00 AM

Find me an exhaust that weighs more than the Stillen and I will not call your statement false. You said the Stillen exhaust has "a competitive weight". As far as I can see it is the heaviest exhaust for the 370Z out right now.

I just don't like miss-information spread around the internet. My research shows your statement about the Stillen exhausts weight to be miss-information.

semtex · 06-23-2009, 10:14 AM

Guys, it's not just about weight. Power-to-weight ratio has to enter into the equation as well.

Caravanshaka · 06-23-2009, 10:18 AM

and, the weight is more in the back, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Now, if you were adding more weight up front that would be a different story.

miguez · 06-23-2009, 10:31 AM

import111, I am not comparing it to other after-market exhausts, but simply to the stock. To me, adding 10 or 11 lbs over the stock for 18 whp gain makes this a competitive advantage over the stock. Again, each person's interpretation depends on what is important to them.

M.Bonanni · 06-23-2009, 10:35 AM

Also remember that the exhaust system is low and centered, which is pretty much the best place to add weight if you have to. Weight gain/loss will hardly be felt here if at all.

ZforMe · 06-23-2009, 10:36 AM

Back to the Berk exhaust please.
(not aimed at you DDM)

LiquidZ · 06-24-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by import111

Find me an exhaust that weighs more than the Stillen and I will not call your statement false. You said the Stillen exhaust has "a competitive weight". As far as I can see it is the heaviest exhaust for the 370Z out right now.

I just don't like miss-information spread around the internet. My research shows your statement about the Stillen exhausts weight to be miss-information.

I really think you are thinking about this incorrectly. What MigueZ said was not mis-information NOR was he saying that its the lightest exhaust out there.
What he is saying is that the Stillen exhaust isn't light, but it isn't terribly heavy. Yes, it is heavier than stock, but it isn't heavy to the point where its weight can offset its gains. Therefore, I will agree with MigueZ that the Stillen exhaust is still competitive weight wise.

Oh hai Berk

M.Bonanni · 06-25-2009, 04:24 PM

Ok so Berk is going to try and have my exhaust ready for me to pick up on Sunday while I am down in their area! If I am able to get it, it I will shoot for a baseline dyno on Monday and install Monday night. Put a few miles on the car and shoot some videos Tuesday, re-dyno Wednesday.

ZforMe · 06-25-2009, 04:29 PM

N!!!!

bostic220 · 06-28-2009, 07:31 PM

Were you able to pick it up today?

06-23-2009, 10:14 AM	#292 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	Guys, it's not just about weight. Power-to-weight ratio has to enter into the equation as well. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

06-23-2009, 10:35 AM	#295 (permalink)
M.Bonanni The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,575 Drives: Fast Rep Power: 1321	Also remember that the exhaust system is low and centered, which is pretty much the best place to add weight if you have to. Weight gain/loss will hardly be felt here if at all. __________________ MikeBonanni.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/MikeBonanni Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MBonanni36 Function > Form

06-23-2009, 10:36 AM	#296 (permalink)
ZforMe Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 238 Drives: 370Z Sport Auto PG Rep Power: 17	Back to the Berk exhaust please. (not aimed at you DDM) __________________ 13.369 @ 102.73 Bone Stock. BERK HFC's installed 5/14/09 @ 1490miles, 13.212 @ 106.15. Cobb Post MAF Hoses installed 3/20/10 @ 5,043miles, future: FI exhaust with 18" res and s/s cans. Last edited by ZforMe; 06-23-2009 at 10:41 AM.

06-25-2009, 04:24 PM	#298 (permalink)
M.Bonanni The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,575 Drives: Fast Rep Power: 1321	Ok so Berk is going to try and have my exhaust ready for me to pick up on Sunday while I am down in their area! If I am able to get it, it I will shoot for a baseline dyno on Monday and install Monday night. Put a few miles on the car and shoot some videos Tuesday, re-dyno Wednesday. __________________ MikeBonanni.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/MikeBonanni Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MBonanni36 Function > Form

06-25-2009, 04:29 PM	#299 (permalink)
ZforMe Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 238 Drives: 370Z Sport Auto PG Rep Power: 17	N!!!! __________________ 13.369 @ 102.73 Bone Stock. BERK HFC's installed 5/14/09 @ 1490miles, 13.212 @ 106.15. Cobb Post MAF Hoses installed 3/20/10 @ 5,043miles, future: FI exhaust with 18" res and s/s cans.

06-23-2009, 09:55 AM	#290 (permalink)
miguez Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 359 Drives: '04 Cavalier Rep Power: 182	Being a false statement or not depends on what you are considering, as theDreamer mentioned. Most exhausts that add significant performance are heavier than the stock exhaust, basically due to the stainless steel used in their manufacturing, and partly to their design. So, given Stillen's choice of material, acquisition cost, and mainly their performance gain and sound note, that is competitive. If weight is a major priority, full-titanium exhausts are available, some with good sound quality, but their price is on a different scale.

06-23-2009, 10:00 AM	#291 (permalink)
import111 Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ. Posts: 622 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 192	Find me an exhaust that weighs more than the Stillen and I will not call your statement false. You said the Stillen exhaust has "a competitive weight". As far as I can see it is the heaviest exhaust for the 370Z out right now. I just don't like miss-information spread around the internet. My research shows your statement about the Stillen exhausts weight to be miss-information.

06-23-2009, 10:18 AM	#293 (permalink)
Caravanshaka I shake Caravans Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: north Dallas Posts: 9,517 Drives: everyone crazy Rep Power: 43	and, the weight is more in the back, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Now, if you were adding more weight up front that would be a different story.

06-23-2009, 10:31 AM	#294 (permalink)
miguez Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 359 Drives: '04 Cavalier Rep Power: 182	import111, I am not comparing it to other after-market exhausts, but simply to the stock. To me, adding 10 or 11 lbs over the stock for 18 whp gain makes this a competitive advantage over the stock. Again, each person's interpretation depends on what is important to them.

06-28-2009, 07:31 PM	#300 (permalink)
bostic220 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 4 Drives: eventually a Z Rep Power: 17	Were you able to pick it up today?

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