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Thanks for all the info! In the US the 370Z is around $30-40k new with some base models even in the upper $20k range. Hopefully this exhaust will be cheaper than $6k :tup:
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I really don't care if it is made from the blood of unicorns, it's an exhaust. Let's break down what that means: BENT PIPES WELDED TOGETHER WITH A MUFFLER. You can try to pretty that up all you want, but in the end, that is all that it is. It isn't going to make much (if any) power over an invidia or even a damn ebay exhaust. The only reason someone would buy this exhaust is to say they have it and make others feel poor. That might work for them in the euro car "the more i buy the bigger my penis gets" land, but I imagine among level headed people this concept is just stupid. Hell. even half the cost is still overpriced. You can have a local welder make you a Ti exhaust for under $3,000 (well at least I can), why would anyone pay more for less of a product is beyond me. |
I guess Amuse, HKS and Greddy are cheap exhaust now.
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gaveup,
some people here are spending $5k + on wheels.... many might find this over the top on a $30k car. and forged wheels are just a big piece of metal slamed into a different peice of metal, right? so, although i think its steep i can see some people buying this.... |
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Some will buy it just to brag that they have a super expensive Italian exhaust. I would much rather have an expensive Italian supercar/supermodel :bowrofl: |
haa mee too!
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10,1 kg lighter Standard car 335 hp. Exhaust 365. |
Would be nice to get some "facts" directly from the manufacturer, as we do with several of the exhaust manufacturers on this forum. Info from some random dude in Italy is not going to cut it.
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so its about $1k per 1 WHP gain? |
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Facts: This exhaust weighs about the same as any cheaper 370Z aftermarket exhaust This exhaust makes no more power than any cheaper 370Z aftermarket exhaust. |
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Good power gains, but no more than any other combo on the market. |
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Hence the need for it to be put on a dyno prior to upgrades & then post upgrades. |
$6K! 10 hp gain. I'm not impressed at all.
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wait till you see the OCHO-Tipped Spartan....
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am i lost or is 365-335=30
still thats too much money. |
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10 hp?
It's 335 standard, 345 catback (almost the same with the Invidia Q300 and the Supersprint), 365 with headers, cats and catback...that's a 30 Hp gain, I don't know where did you get 10 Hp. There's a consistent increase in torque too! Anyway I have the dyno charts of all the runs, with power loss (measured everytime on the MAHA brake dyno), WHP, correcting factor etc I think a 30 hp flywheel (corrected with EWG factors) increase is pretty good! It's around 24 WHP but the run with the full exhaust was hotter, with higher humidity and lower ambient pressure...you'll see everything as soon as I have the pdf files. Coming soon: Dyno chart Video revving Video of full acceleration and flyby. I think it sounds great...maybe a bit too much for the road, but no drone, the sound is awesome. |
Why do you keep comparing your exhaust to the keep sub 1,000USD exhaust systems?
Try comparing it to Powerhouse Amuse, Top Secret, Fast Intentions, etc. Not a very good selling point that you want to sell this for 6,000 and yet all you have done is compare it to the cheapest exhaust systems on the market. |
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Hey, I'm not saying is the best exhaust in the world, calm down!
In fact, a few posts ago I asked if there is any dyno chart of some full exhaust, too see where we are with this one! Could you please link them, as the forum is huge and it's hard to find the right charts and the right products. Guys, I'm not trying to sell anything, but please forgive me some national pride in an Italian company that i think works very well. |
Fast Intentions LTH plus exhaust - http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...ders-here.html (+30WHP & +20TQ)
Powerhouse Amuse Exhaust - http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...vids-dyno.html (+15WHP & +8TQ) Both system much cheaper than yours and providing equal power gains or more. Both systems weight less than stock by a large margin (25-35lbs under stock). While I think your system looks very promising, you must understand this is not Porsche or Mercedes AMG so by pricing this system so high you are eliminating any possible customers. |
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Are those from a inertial dyno or a brake dyno? You know that on a inertial dyno you can't measure the power loss, and that depends on a lot of factors, like the temperature of the tyres, the weight on them, the pressure, the transmission temperature etc...the WHP is accurate but it depends on these factors.
As F.I. says, if you haven't got the same conditions (where are the values, like temperature, pressure etc.?) the value themselves are not very reliable... On their charts I see: stock: 280 hp exhaust: 310 Hp Is that WHP? because our car was: stock: 261.7 WHP full exhaust: 284.3 WHP So it's a 22.6 WHP increase. BUT the conditions were different, plus the stock run had 69.3 hp of power loss, with the exhaust these became 71,7 (as the power loss is a % of the flywheel power, is normal to see an increase in it too) So what's the flywheel HP on the F.I. car? I see a few irregularities in the F.I. chart: It starts at 2700 rpm. We've seen a valley in the torque curve at 2400 rpm but you can't see it in that chart. I don't want to start a dyno war, just asking. We went from 362 to 382.5 nm |
I am done, you just are trying to put your exhaust on a mantel, there is not point in this debate. Good luck with your exhaust system.
If you want to knit pick, then lets see your facts, so far I have nothing from you. |
Nobody is refuting that those are at least decent numbers. Let's not get into dyno politics in this thread.
I think the sticking point for many of us is that we fail to see a $6K stainless steel exhaust system selling very well. That's basically around 20% the value of the car, why would you do that? I get poked every so often for buying an expensive exhaust, but at least Amuse gave me a pretty and stupidly light titanium (if somewhat ill-fitting) exhaust for it :ugh2: |
I've seen the F.I. video...is it caused by my speakers or is there really so much drone at low rpm? It sounds similar...the Supersprint seems a bit raspier and wilder...you'll see the videos!
I got it, it's too expensive...please could we continue to analyze the technical differences and the performance increases? What are the diameter sizes of the F.I. headers, for example? Dreamer what facts? I'm trying to understand if 365 hp are good or not with a full exhaust by itself. I don't get why so much hostility around here. I haven't seen a lot of 370z, and especially not many exhaust systems for it, so I'd like to know where this system is placed on a performance level. |
yea, i'm sure the exhaust will perform on par, and sound great, however the main argument here is the steep price.
:tup: for a nice exhaust regardless |
I can buy an altima for 6k, nuff said
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You compare gains as long as they used the same dyno and similar conditions for all testing. Which Fast Intentions uses the same car for testing and the same dyno, and as close to similar ambient conditions as possible. Trying to compare your dyno results to another is not a 1 to 1 science, which is why you post up bone stock runs and then modified and we get about 80% similar comparison. |
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Now if you got a F.I. system next to you, and dyno'd on the same setup, on the same car, in similar ambient conditions, that would be interesting. |
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or at least a car with F.I vs your car with SS. supporting mods would have to be similiar as well |
I agree, different dyno gives very different results, especially if of different type like the inertial F.I. dyno and the Supersprint brake dyno...
Maybe an acceleration time in the real world would tell us more, like an in gear acceleration video! I still think it would be interesting to see the air intake temperature and ambient pressure and humidity on the F.I. dynos. It will be very hard to have both systems toghether as they're not popular here in Italy, and Supersprint won't probably sell in the US because of the price. It would be very interesting. |
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how come a SuperSprint for the BWM 650 is $3,584, and for a 370z around 6k?
different company? Turner Motorsport | Full Supersprint Sport Exhaust for E63/E64 650Ci |
hmmm...
6k for this! or... 8k for a gtm tt! the choice is simple... |
Why has this thread gotten this far in regards to price? If the system has a price tag of 6k, then so be it. Yes, many would like it to be more affordable but the fact of the matter is that it is what it is and that being a SuperSprint exhaust.
Like Econ stated, several people spend over 4-5k on wheels alone. There is absolutely no gains from cosmetics unless it assists the aerodynamics of the car. This exhaust, just like any other "higher-end" exhaust, or anything expensive because of a "Brand," is marketed towards the people who want to or don't mind spending that amount of money. For those concerned with power gains, wait for Dyno charts or do a little more research on your own and see what you can find, if there is any information from another person or SuperSprint themselves. I'm just saying, this isn't the first time you see a steep price tag on something you may believe is not worth it. For example, some people spend thousands on watches and no matter how you justify it, at it's most basic function, it just tells time. |
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