Intake, Header, HFC, CBE = Too Lean?

KEVTEX · 03-26-2010, 03:45 PM

+1 rep for lots of real numbers to clarify benefits of cai after cbe+hfc's.

Red370 · 03-26-2010, 04:26 PM

ouch, somebody just got

Zsteve · 03-26-2010, 05:10 PM

so semtex is your AFR starting at 14 and then at high rpms going down to around 12? I thought it was suppose to go up when you get on it? When I was checking my AFR yesterday it would flucate alot but always seemed to settle around 14.xx, is this good or bad?

F.I. Inc. · 03-26-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

so semtex is your AFR starting at 14 and then at high rpms going down to around 12? I thought it was suppose to go up when you get on it? When I was checking my AFR yesterday it would flucate alot but always seemed to settle around 14.xx, is this good or bad?

The higher the number the leaner your car is running, hence less fuel and too much air. The lower the number the richer your car is running, hence more fuel.

You will not hurt these cars with a lean condition under 3500-3000 rpm's. You can destroy your engine from detonation in the higher rpm's if your A/F is too lean. This specific car needs to have the A/F between 12:6 - 13:2. In my honest opinion 13:2 can even be a little lean but it is borderline. Yes, in theory the leaner you can make the car, the more power the car should make. However I have found with this car there is a happy medium where it likes to live. That medium is those safe numbers I listed above. Obviously if the car was running PIG rich it would make lass power. For example: if your A/F was in the low 11's to high 10's you would be dumping too much fuel....

Tony

To add one more thing, optimum A/F at idol is 14:7

F.I. Inc. · 03-26-2010, 05:46 PM

To add another thing, you need to try and take the A/F reading as close to the headers/manifolds as possible. Specifically in front of the cats if you have cats installed on the car. By doing this, you will achieve the most accurate number. Running it in the tailpipe will work but like I said is not ideal.

Tony

kevin.z · 03-26-2010, 05:19 PM

i believe sharif or tony from f.i. said optimal is middle or high 12's or low 13's? 14.xx seems too lean?

theDreamer · 03-26-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin.z

i believe sharif or tony from f.i. said optimal is middle or high 12's or low 13's? 14.xx seems too lean?

Correct, at idle it might run in the 14.x area because the system is constantly adjusting, but under load it should really be below 13.0 (not 100% sure on the exact range in 12.x though).

G37Sam · 03-26-2010, 05:36 PM

The Stoichiometric (ideal) A/F Ratio is around 14.6, that's the A/F ratio you want to run at idle and little loads (cruising etc..)

It is only that you go rich (12-13) A/F @ WOT because it helps keep the combustion chamber temperatures down which helps in avoiding knock and advancing timing safely

Nitex · 03-26-2010, 05:43 PM

Well it seems this thread may have answered my question that no one responded to on my own thread.

Seems i threw a lean code P0171, unless this is an 02 issue im wondering if i am indeed running to lean with out a tune. However after clearing the CEL my idle rpm returned to 600 from 1k.

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Stillen CBE, Gen'3s and Berk HFC

F.I. Inc. · 03-26-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

Well it seems this thread may have answered my question that no one responded to on my own thread.

Seems i threw a lean code P0171, unless this is an 02 issue im wondering if i am indeed running to lean with out a tune. However after clearing the CEL my idle rpm returned to 600 from 1k.

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Stillen CBE, Gen'3s and Berk HFC

Well from reading this: Stillen CBE, Gen'3s and Berk HFC

It is a safe bet to say you are running too lean. Now if this is what caused the code, I cannot guarantee that. If one of the O2 sensors was damaged you would probably throw a different code, so we can rule that one out.

I would say it is time to get your car on a dyno and find out what that A/F is doing. If it is lean, you will need a tune. If you cannot afford a tune then put the stock intakes back on the car for the time being and I bet ten to one your A/F will go back to where it needs to be...

Tony

Nitex · 03-27-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by F.I. Inc.

Well from reading this: Stillen CBE, Gen'3s and Berk HFC

It is a safe bet to say you are running too lean. Now if this is what caused the code, I cannot guarantee that. If one of the O2 sensors was damaged you would probably throw a different code, so we can rule that one out.

I would say it is time to get your car on a dyno and find out what that A/F is doing. If it is lean, you will need a tune. If you cannot afford a tune then put the stock intakes back on the car for the time being and I bet ten to one your A/F will go back to where it needs to be...

Tony

Ahh great thanks! I can afford the tune(aerospace engineer), i was just debating uprev Dyno tune vs Cobb ap or maybee oasis ? just needed to do the research but it seems i may be running out of time. I just hope i havnt done any damage.

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Stillen CBE, Gen 3's and Berk HFC

theDreamer · 03-27-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

Ahh great thanks! I can afford the tune(aerospace engineer), i was just debating uprev Dyno tune vs Cobb ap or maybee oasis ? just needed to do the research but it seems i may be running out of time. I just hope i havnt done any damage.

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Stillen CBE, Gen 3's and Berk HFC

You have not done any damage, but you are probably just not getting the best gas mileage and all the power you should be, because the system is no running efficiently.

F.I. Inc. · 03-27-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

Ahh great thanks! I can afford the tune(aerospace engineer), i was just debating uprev Dyno tune vs Cobb ap or maybee oasis ? just needed to do the research but it seems i may be running out of time. I just hope i havnt done any damage.

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Stillen CBE, Gen 3's and Berk HFC

Hopefully you know I wasn't taking a jab at your financial status. I was just stating all of the options. Like Dreamer said, you should be fine just get a tune asap...

Thanks, Tony

nogoodname · 03-27-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

Ahh great thanks! I can afford the tune(aerospace engineer), i was just debating uprev Dyno tune vs Cobb ap or maybee oasis ? just needed to do the research but it seems i may be running out of time. I just hope i havnt done any damage.

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Stillen CBE, Gen 3's and Berk HFC

Uprev tunes seem to be really good with some of the G's. Like G37Sam for example. Also, in the User CP>>Edit Signature. You can write out your sig there instead of writing it out in ever post

Zsteve · 03-26-2010, 05:57 PM

I will check it again tonight or tomorrow and confirm what my numbers are when stepping on it. Thanks guys.

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Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 23	so semtex is your AFR starting at 14 and then at high rpms going down to around 12? I thought it was suppose to go up when you get on it? When I was checking my AFR yesterday it would flucate alot but always seemed to settle around 14.xx, is this good or bad? __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

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F.I. Inc. The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 2,989 Drives: 2010 GT-R/2007 F-250 Rep Power: 686	To add another thing, you need to try and take the A/F reading as close to the headers/manifolds as possible. Specifically in front of the cats if you have cats installed on the car. By doing this, you will achieve the most accurate number. Running it in the tailpipe will work but like I said is not ideal. Tony __________________ *Follow us on Facebook: Fast Intentions Inc.* Phone: (805) 522-FAST (3278) Email: tony@fastintentions.com www.fastintentions.com "FUELED BY PASSION"

03-26-2010, 05:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 21	The Stoichiometric (ideal) A/F Ratio is around 14.6, that's the A/F ratio you want to run at idle and little loads (cruising etc..) It is only that you go rich (12-13) A/F @ WOT because it helps keep the combustion chamber temperatures down which helps in avoiding knock and advancing timing safely __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

03-26-2010, 05:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Nitex Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Seattle Posts: 848 Drives: '13 GTI Stage 2 UNI Rep Power: 17	Well it seems this thread may have answered my question that no one responded to on my own thread. Seems i threw a lean code P0171, unless this is an 02 issue im wondering if i am indeed running to lean with out a tune. However after clearing the CEL my idle rpm returned to 600 from 1k. ___________________________ Stillen CBE, Gen'3s and Berk HFC Last edited by Nitex; 03-26-2010 at 05:47 PM.

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KEVTEX Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Montgomery, TX Posts: 119 Drives: 2010 370Z 7at sp pg Rep Power: 16	+1 rep for lots of real numbers to clarify benefits of cai after cbe+hfc's.

03-26-2010, 05:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
kevin.z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: vancouver(shipping:WA Posts: 359 Drives: 09 370z M6 PGtouring Rep Power: 16	i believe sharif or tony from f.i. said optimal is middle or high 12's or low 13's? 14.xx seems too lean?

03-26-2010, 05:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 23	I will check it again tonight or tomorrow and confirm what my numbers are when stepping on it. Thanks guys. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

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