Lol you know I'm down for the intakes too just go ahead and put me on the list alrdy lol

I love the sound of the LTHs and the performance bump is great, but what if I wanted to keep it smog legal and a little quieter than straight pipes? I know it be expensive and it would negate some of the gains from the LTHs, but what about cutting out some space and welding in a pair of HFCs? Totally not worth it? Would you see any gains from having LTHs in that case? Has anybody else thought about this?

I still don't have a car, just curious/dreaming. I'm that guy - sorry.

Don't think you can do that because the collectors are right around where the hfcs would go. It'd totally mess up the design.

They wouldn't be LTHs anymore if you did that. They'd be regular short headers.

you'd be better off buying shorty headers and a set of hfc's though since it's not as efficient you leave some significant power on the table.

On a side note, my Stillen headers and Berk HFCs will be for sale soon. :tup:

great gains but im wondering whats going on with the top of the graph it seems like there is a bottleneck somewhere.. maybe the stillens suck? it cant be the LTH's or FI catback.. thats the most free flowing setup on the market.. only other thing it could be is the stillen intake, they probably just slapped together an intake in 2 seconds and put it on the car without any testing.. wouldnt surprise me.

Wow, that is hands down one of the most asinine things I've read on this forum in a long time. And that's saying a lot, considering some of the posts I see every day. You have some kind of past bad experience or grudge with Stillen or something? I mean, saying that some product has some deficiencies is one thing. But it's a bit of a stretch to go from that to saying they just slapped it together in 2 seconds and did no testing, don't ya think?

If youve read the posts on this forum and the g37 forums most are complaints of a horribly designed product that doesnt fit right. Most of their products have horrible fitment and youll see many posts about it if you looked around which leads one to believe they slap parts together. Even tony said that the g3's offered no power over the stock intakes once you have an exhaust on the car and made the car run horrible. Dangerous level of A/F. Im sorry semtex but the only reason you are being so defensive over this is because you spent some of your hard earned money on their inferior products. I have no grudge against you as a person I just hear way too many complaints about stillen. Have you heard any fitment, power, or customer service complaints about Fi? no.. Stillen on the other hand you hear it ALLL the time.

I have no problems with the stillen intakes.

perfect fit.

I dont want to turn this thread into who has a stillen product that fits right and what not but look around.. google it too hey theres even a website dedicated to stillen.. www.stillensucks.com lol way too many people have problems with their products and customer service. seems like stillen is hit or miss.. anyway back to the topic.. If anyone would like to further discuss this feel free to shoot me a pm. I mean no disrespect to stillen owners Im just merely stating what I read all over the place.

I'm not trying to be defensive, I'm trying to be fair, which I don't think you're being at all. I will be the first to admit that Stillen products are less than perfect and while some of them are great, some have pretty serious issues. The only point I'm trying to make here is that there's a middle ground. Products don't have to be either perfect or complete and utter crap. It doesn't have to be one extreme or another. Are the G3's perfect? Nope. But that doesn't mean we have to automatically go to the opposite extreme and accuse Stillen of doing absolutely no product testing at all, do we? I mean, that's a pretty harsh accusation you're making there. Zero testing? Maybe they didn't test enough. Or maybe their test methodology was flawed. But zero testing? No testing whatsoever? C'mon man, that's just unfair. We don't have to go to such an extreme to offer legitimate criticism of a company and/or product. Let me put it this way. I'm not a big fan of our current President. I think he and his policies have many faults. They are far from perfect. But that imperfection doesn't prompt me to go to the extreme of saying that he is utterly and completely without merit either. That would be disingenuous, IMHO.

Btw, for the record, if Tony makes intakes, I'll most likely sign up for those as well. But I feel no need to bash another company in the process. Quite frankly, with the hit that the aftermarket has taken in this economy, I'm grateful to any company willing to step up and develop parts for us and give us options.

I agree maybe i shouldn't of said they did zero testing but think of it this way. No matter how you slice it whether they didnt do enough testing or their methodology was flawed it still leaves their product in my eyes in the end still as flawed as if they did little to no testing at all. I mean does it take a genius to make a couple systems, install it on a couple different cars and say holy crap this system doesn't fit right, lets fix it. No they ship the product anyway.. But lets just say for arguments sake they didnt experience that problem and all was well.. You would think after all the fitment complaints they would actually fix the problem but no to this day people continue to have problems with their products with no fix from stillen. Instead their answer is hey we are designing a new version just buy it when it comes out.. uhhh no fix the product that you sold me in the first place or give me the new version when that comes out free of charge.

Maybe your ok with people spending their hard earned money on a product that has a good chance of causing them problems but im not..Thats not to say that Im going to go out of my way to post in every thread saying stillen products suck but I did feel the need to voice my opinion in this thread because the evidence is irrefutable. If someone asks my opinion on the stillen product I have no problem telling them hey dont buy this product because of such and such.

I agree. Like I said, I have no problem admitting that their stuff is less than perfect. I am less than entirely smitten with their stuff, to put it diplomatically. To be honest, one of the biggest factors in why I went with some of their stuff is that they were first to market, and I'm just really impatient, lol. I bought my car in Jan. of '09 and was just dying to start modding it, but options were quite limited that early on. I'm glad that better stuff is coming to market (like F.I.'s stuff), and I have no problem with switching over when something better comes along (which is why I'm #2 on the group buy for the LTHs). I'm not brand-loyal. I'm results-loyal. Of course, my bank balance hates me, but that's a different topic for a different time and place. ;)

Peace, bro. :tiphat:

from :argue: to :cool::cool:

I completely understand and I probably couldn't of said that better myself. Like you my bank balance hates me as well lol. Now lets hope we can get these LTH's in hand soon :) we are #2 and #3 shouldn't be long. Im anxious to experience all the gains lol.

Peace Out.

No, I'm with you on warning others about problems. Maybe I haven't been sufficiently clear. I have absolutely no problem with legitimate criticism of a company and/or its products if they're not up to par. My objection was based solely on the 'zero testing' remark. In other words, if something sucks, I think we should all say so and warn others, tell them what the deficiencies are, etc. I just don't think it's necessary or helpful to exaggerate those deficiencies is all. (The zero testing claim, for example, would be what I consider to be an exaggeration.)

Its all good we are on the same page I posted that without seeing your last post #136

no need to post self portraits sem :bowrofl:

sorry to derail a little, but was impressed that I didn't see this blow up like most internet arguements :tup:

LOL. This is how every internet debate should end but often doesnt.

:iagree:

Tony, carry on with your beautiful LTH's :tup:

Well, I have a rule of thumb when it comes to internet debates. I look at who I'm considering getting into a debate with. If I know the guy and know him to be a reasonable person, I have no qualms about starting the debate because I figure we'll either end up on the same page, or at worst we'll respectfully agree to disagree with one another. On the other hand, if I don't know the guy, or worse yet know him to be a douche, I'll just keep my mouth shut and walk away, because it's not worth the aggravation. Well okay, I've been known to engage a few douchebags every now and then just to tear them a new one. But I usually go by these guidelines. :rolleyes:

Tony, I'm a little late in saying this, but I am very impressed by the midrange gains. Good job buddy!

Couldn't you just put them further down, past the collectors, or anywhere else where they would still do their job but not interfere with other functional elements? Maybe I don't know enough about it...

I didn't realize the elimination of cats is what gave them their name. That makes sense though.

That's why I asked the question. I thought setting it up the way I suggested would be more efficient and sound better than the shorty/hfc combo while still remaining legal.

[QUOTE=u155282;464256]Couldn't you just put them further down, past the collectors, or anywhere else where they would still do their job but not interfere with other functional elements? Maybe I don't know enough about it...


No because the distance from where the LTH meet the block to where they meet the exhaust is a certain distance. That distance is the same as stock headers + cats/HFC combo. Most if not all of the exhausts are made to fit up to the stock mounting point. If you add onto the LTH by adding HFC then you would need a custom exhaust with adjusted measurements to mate up to it.

Not sure if I explained that well enough but I gave it a shot. :tup:

[QUOTE=B1nks;464683]Close enough I at least get your point. Just change where the header meets the block to, where the header meets the head of the engine...

Tony

As someone who is even more on the fence about getting a tune post-installation after seeing no gains in HP/torque, I'm hoping someone can help me figure this out.

How is tweaking the tune making things safer?

I really originally wanted to get a tune, but if I'm not seeing much of a gain at the risk of losing my warranty, I kind of need some convincing.

wow, potential CAI from FI... think im putting off the G3 puchase just a bit longer.... Hope they are similar in length, since shorties dont seem to put up good numbers (hint hint Tony) lol

Tony knows cars and he's going to build the best intake for the Nissan 370z to date. As of now, aftermarket CAI's only lead to some power past 7000 RPMs. The stock intakes are good enough for now. When Tony comes out with his Fast Intentions intake, I know and trust that it will be better than the stock intake and produce worth while gains! We just have to wait till then... :tup:

so there will be a FI intake? =] just wondering cuz I will hold off on injen if its true

Because regardless of what kind of gains you might get from a tune (or lack thereof), a tune will correct your AFR, which will most likely be out of whack after you make a substantial number of mods to your intake and exhaust. Specifically, we've seen the AFR go lean, which means too much air, not enough fuel. That can cause damage to your engine. In extreme cases, it can even make your engine do a grenade impression.

You could. I was just assuming you'd want to retain the ability to bolt on to any CBE.

You will not void your warranty. You will have the control (yourself) to flash the ECU back to stock if you ever need to go in to the dealer.

Tony I have a feeling with 93 octane I could see better gains after the tune?

Maybe, I hope to put this theory to the test with positive results hopefully.

I mean I know Nissan did a great job with the OEM headers, but I'm sure Tony did a much better one, those numbers don't do it justice IMO

Is there a MASSIVE difference between these two setups?

Stillen Headers --> FI Resonated Test Pipes --> FI CBE

FI LTH's --> FI CBE


Just wondering where the primary difference between a short tube/long tube header lies... Can you explain this to boost my knowlege on headers?