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thangcu35 10-10-2015 06:22 PM

I recently switched to Cortex EBC. It's a new product on the market. It has advance features like high end standalone EMS, with 2 optional outputs to turn on accessories base on boost or rpm. It can only be tuned on a laptop, the display unit can be used to switch between the 6 profiles that can be programmed into the controller. It's the only EBC available that can do boost by gear, boost by rpm, and boost by throttle % without going standalone EMS. You have to know how duty cycle work and the concept of boost tuning in order to work this EBC.

https://sirhclabs.com/wp/wp-content/...-map-table.jpg

For the hook up I always use this configuration. This will allow me to run the softest wastegate spring and still run as high boost as I need to. This is great for boost by gear setups. It works by keeping a balance between the top and bottom ports of the WG, either to apply boost pressure to open the wg valve or to keep it shut (against turbine backpressure). A lot of people end up running stiffer springs when they want to increase max boost due to backpressure forcing the valve open, this setup will fix that since boost pressure can be routed to aid the spring keeping the valve shut.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZN...=w1414-h798-no

thangcu35 10-10-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob298mx (Post 3325925)
My Scg-1boost is all over the place. Not sure why, hits target then bounces from 13 to 10 to 12 then 9....wicked pain in the ***

Sounds like it's oscillating. Try turning off gain and spring pressure setting and work with WG duty only. Only use gain to prevent boost tapering off. Spring pressure setting should be the last to play with.

Rob298mx 10-10-2015 07:32 PM

Gain is off and spring is set to 6.1. The WG spring installed is a 7lbs Spring.

thangcu35 10-10-2015 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob298mx (Post 3326103)
Gain is off and spring is set to 6.1. The WG spring installed is a 7lbs Spring.

I would check the vacuum hoses for tear, particularly the one going to the top port of wg. Other than that, it could be loose wiring or solenoid/controller.

Rob298mx 10-12-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thangcu35 (Post 3326110)
I would check the vacuum hoses for tear, particularly the one going to the top port of wg. Other than that, it could be loose wiring or solenoid/controller.

pulled only from the bottom of the WG

jwick 10-13-2015 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob298mx (Post 3327001)
pulled only from the bottom of the WG


Not sure what WG you have nor am I familiar with your EBC but on my setup if I'm not connecting to the top of the WG then I'm not really using the EBC. In that configuration I would except pressure to fluctuate as you are just riding spring pressure.

phunk 10-13-2015 01:03 PM

with external gates, you can use the controller in "actuator" mode by leaving the top WG vented and just sending boost to the bottom side of the WG diaphragm. This makes it function like a big internal wastegate actuator - it actually works very well for cars that dont run super high boost. Its what I have always used for stock motor VQ setups because its clean (less hoses).

jwick 10-13-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3327399)
with external gates, you can use the controller in "actuator" mode by leaving the top WG vented and just sending boost to the bottom side of the WG diaphragm. This makes it function like a big internal wastegate actuator - it actually works very well for cars that dont run super high boost. Its what I have always used for stock motor VQ setups because its clean (less hoses).


Makes sense. Have to look into that if I ever change EBCs, current doesn't have that option. Running less hoses is always a benefit.

Rob298mx 10-15-2015 11:03 PM

I'll have to figure out my tune issue first, that's probably playing a huge role into the fluctuating boost pressures..car is seeing knock on 93 and anywhere in the 12-18 range of timing running 10.0 on afr.

jwick 10-16-2015 08:20 AM

That definitely sounds like you have some tune issues.

jaytirbhaw 03-02-2016 05:30 PM

the perfect spot for a square boost controller, sits a good amount "inward" in case of wandering hands

Btw - The GFB is super easy to use and understand.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8mehs31pea...0027.JPG?raw=1

YzGyz 03-02-2016 07:12 PM

Very good spot! nice!

YzGyz

YzGyz 03-03-2016 04:36 PM

I have finally turned on my EBC.. Holy hell she is always in "serious mode" now. She is way more responsive and hits harder. Then again, I was on spring pressure somewhere around 7.5 lbs and I have went up to 11lbs with the EBC on. Just wow, she is so serious now. VROOM!!

Anyhoo, I have posted a question on my Turbosmart Street EBC. If anyone have any insight, please educate me.

YzGyz

YzGyz 03-04-2016 02:08 AM

I didn't some time at the local industrial park to learn the new set up and EBC. I'm pretty sure I have the 7.5lb spring in the wastegates. My turbosmart EBC duty cycle is only at .5 and the gate pressure is at 2.5.. when I wot the main psi display climb real fast and I can't read it accurate bUT wI'll show myou overbost has triggered. The EBC has a function function that will show the peak psi. It read 12.7 psi.. Dose this seem right? I'm figuring out should only get to like 8.5psi max at such a low duty cycle.. can someone explain what is going on to me?

Thanks.

jwick 03-04-2016 09:36 AM

I'm running about that pressure when considering boost spike. My max on the gauge is .83bar (12.2psi)

YzGyz 03-05-2016 05:28 PM

UPDATE:

-turned car on and took a look at the display settings. It is in PSI mode but per the manual, it will show - pressure in mmHg (mm merc)
-opened both WG and found the 0.5 bar/7.25lbs yellow spring inside.
-found a few pinches of sand inside so I cleaned that out, put a little but of air tool oil on the diaphragm and put them back together.
-looked at the hoses and how they were plumbed and they look correct according to the install manual.

I drew a quick diagram of how the system is plumbed.



-Two sides of WGs, charge pipe, lead end connecting to EBC and plugged into port 1 of solenoid.
-Two tops of WG connected and plumbed into port 2 of solenoid.
-Port 3 of solenoid to atmosphere.

I used the, "Two port, Single solenoid, Single turbo, Method 1"

http://www.turbosmartusa.com/wp-cont...psi_MAY_12.pdf

Anyone has any Idea what is going wrong? I haven't had a chance to visit my shop yet.

I'll take a drive tonight and mess with it again.. kinda bothers me.

YzGyz

jaytirbhaw 03-07-2016 04:50 PM

Just out of curiosity, how many lbs of boost do you guys see in 1st gear typically ?

YzGyz 03-07-2016 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jaytirbhaw (Post 3431182)
Just out of curiosity, how many lbs of boost do you guys see in 1st gear typically ?

I think I see 6lbs-7lbs near redline. I'll update when I know for sure.

YzGyz

jaytirbhaw 03-19-2016 05:44 PM

anyone else get that annoying clicking sound from their solenoids when hitting boost ?

jwick 03-19-2016 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaytirbhaw (Post 3439627)
anyone else get that annoying clicking sound from their solenoids when hitting boost ?


Where is your solenoid? I don't hear **** but it's next to the radiator.

jwick 03-19-2016 07:15 PM

I don't spool 1st since I don't get any traction.

jaytirbhaw 03-19-2016 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3439659)
Where is your solenoid? I don't hear **** but it's next to the radiator.

on the firewall, thinking I should place a rubber washer of some sort behind it

jwick 03-19-2016 09:35 PM

Mine required it to be isolated by a rubber washer

Rob298mx 05-22-2016 09:31 PM

Who's running the Greddy Profec ebc?

hc_416 05-22-2016 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob298mx (Post 3484783)
Who's running the Greddy Profec ebc?

I am young sir

solidus 05-23-2016 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3484805)
I am young sir

Can you do a diagram of your setup? I'm installng one this week.

jwick 05-23-2016 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob298mx (Post 3484783)
Who's running the Greddy Profec ebc?



I have the old one but I think the plumbing is the same.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...79d3101f80.jpg

jwick 05-23-2016 11:17 AM

The hoses that go thru the solenoid go the the upper ports on the WG and the ones going straight to WG go on the lower ports.

Rob298mx 05-23-2016 11:32 AM

What are you running for settings? After I breach 40% my boost curve gets all weird. I am running "St. Type-Normal" I was running "control" and it's not running right..it boost spikes so I back off on the start pressure then it comes in wicked lazy and then spikes...

jwick 05-23-2016 12:38 PM

I'm no help there. My tuner sets it up on the dyno at the levels he's comfortable with.


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