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LiquidZ 09-27-2009 04:16 PM

Very good looking car.

370zTwinTurbo 09-27-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ssqpolo (Post 215303)
very nice! are u gonna paint the wing and mirrors black too? or that may be too much. looks amazing tho. nice choice of rims

Well I think that will be a little to much but I am painting the side skirts Tuesday

soaka1 09-27-2009 05:28 PM

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soaka1 09-27-2009 05:29 PM

YouTube - GTM 370Z TWIN TURBO START UP

blackbird 09-27-2009 05:33 PM

HP Logic, re the GTM TT install, is the car an automatic or manual? If manual, did you stay with the stock clutch?

jmlenz 09-28-2009 07:19 PM

haha. really?!?

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 214124)
Is there space for the Stillen Gen 3 intakes?


westpak 09-28-2009 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 215399)
HP Logic, re the GTM TT install, is the car an automatic or manual? If manual, did you stay with the stock clutch?

it is a manual tranny, and we went with the JWT clutch and flywheel

jmlenz 09-28-2009 07:30 PM

Congrats on pioneering the 370 FI frontier! Would you be so kind as to write up a review of this kit? Driving impressions, opinions, vids, and the such -

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Originally Posted by 370zTwinTurbo (Post 215341)
Well I think that will be a little to much but I am painting the side skirts Tuesday


SAM@GTM 09-28-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jmlenz (Post 216493)
Congrats on pioneering the 370 FI frontier! Would you be so kind as to write up a review of this kit? Driving impressions, opinions, vids, and the such -

+ 1

Sam

kannibul 09-28-2009 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 213856)

What are the two puffs of smoke out the tailpipe at around 19-21 sec?

370zdub 09-28-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 216500)
What are the two puffs of smoke out the tailpipe at around 19-21 sec?

Its a turbo diesel now, jk :tup:

westpak 09-28-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 216500)
What are the two puffs of smoke out the tailpipe at around 19-21 sec?

not sure, it was one of the tuning runs so it could have been an overly rich spot or sudden timing decrease, but my guess is that it could have been the end of the run or rev limiter since the smoke didn't come out from under the car meaning that since it has open dumps the wastegates were probably closed.

jmahad01 09-29-2009 11:14 AM

Great install. Makes my old DSM dino runs look like a toy...

kannibul 09-29-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 216579)
not sure, it was one of the tuning runs so it could have been an overly rich spot or sudden timing decrease, but my guess is that it could have been the end of the run or rev limiter since the smoke didn't come out from under the car meaning that since it has open dumps the wastegates were probably closed.

Given the video, it appears the car is still pulling pretty hard and continues to after the smoke puff, so it shouldn't be the rev-limiter.

Either way...man, I want to find out BAD if the 7AT can hang with it...lol.

Then it'd only be a matter of rounding up the money - lol.

Nixlimited 09-30-2009 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 213856)
here are some pics, results were 434RWHP at 7.5 psi on our Mustang dyno, so about 475-480RWHP on a dynojet

YouTube - MOV00060

YouTube - MOV00061

YouTube - MOV00064

What is the puff of smoke before the rev limiter kicks in?

zman1910 09-30-2009 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 217959)
What is the puff of smoke before the rev limiter kicks in?

Unburnt fuel I'm guessing since these vehicles will be tuned to run a tad on the rich side.

westpak 09-30-2009 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by zman1910 (Post 217964)
Unburnt fuel I'm guessing since these vehicles will be tuned to run a tad on the rich side.

yeap as simple a that

I guess some have never seen a turbo car, an aftermarket one at that, on a dyno and specially one that has no cats in it, just straight pipe all the way so nothing to catch those fumes

you should see mine LOL

kannibul 09-30-2009 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 218069)
yeap as simple a that

I guess some have never seen a turbo car, an aftermarket one at that, on a dyno and specially one that has no cats in it, just straight pipe all the way so nothing to catch those fumes

you should see mine LOL

You're right, I've not seen one.

I was just surprised that it happens like that - I mean, through a lot of RPM range, then all of a sudden two puffs of smoke...as if it's building up in the exhaust then gets blasted out....but I know that shouldn't be true.

HP Logic 09-30-2009 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 218073)
You're right, I've not seen one.

I was just surprised that it happens like that - I mean, through a lot of RPM range, then all of a sudden two puffs of smoke...as if it's building up in the exhaust then gets blasted out....but I know that shouldn't be true.

...with F/I cars...typically they will run best/safest with an Air/fuel ratio of about 11.5 : 1...this is significantly richer than a naturally aspirated car which will like 12.5 : 1 or leaner....that being said...the unburnt portion of the combustion process can sometimes create black smoke...most cars with open wategates will expell the overly rich discharge through the wategate dumps before it can reach the tailpipes....but sometimes the wastegates will adjust momentarily to control boost and you get a diversion to the rear exhaust section......

...in short: The black smoke is normal...and depending on the cars plumbing/turbo setup you will see it intermitently....

-Jack

ssqpolo 09-30-2009 02:56 PM

i wanna see flames! out of the exhaust that is

LiquidZ 10-09-2009 02:17 PM

Any feedback regarding how the turbos have impacted oil temperatures?

westpak 10-12-2009 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 228828)
Any feedback regarding how the turbos have impacted oil temperatures?

haven't really made a point of checking but we did add the Stillen oil cooler, I know on the dyno they were not an issue.

terrycs 10-12-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 228828)
Any feedback regarding how the turbos have impacted oil temperatures?

It really depends on how hard you drive it. If the oil temp creeps up, it will be due to the engine and not the turbos. If the motor is not in boost, oil temps stay down.

I have an HR motor and on my daily commute, the temp reading on my CAMP2 hits around 230 deg F in Southern CA. The commute speeds range from stop and go to "pretty fast";)

The oil feed restrictor to the turbos are VERY small (thousandths of an inch). The oil feed is meant to lubricate the bearings in the turbo. Cooling for the turbos are taken care of by the engine coolant. FWIW, my coolant temps run between 180 and 200 degrees F.

LiquidZ 10-12-2009 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by terrycs (Post 233981)
It really depends on how hard you drive it. If the oil temp creeps up, it will be due to the engine and not the turbos. If the motor is not in boost, oil temps stay down.

I have an HR motor and on my daily commute, the temp reading on my CAMP2 hits around 230 deg F in Southern CA. The commute speeds range from stop and go to "pretty fast";)

The oil feed restrictor to the turbos are VERY small (thousandths of an inch). The oil feed is meant to lubricate the bearings in the turbo. Cooling for the turbos are taken care of by the engine coolant. FWIW, my coolant temps run between 180 and 200 degrees F.

Thank you Terry. Just the kind of response I was looking for. So really, the direct impact on the oil temperature from the turbos is minimal because a very small portion of motor oil is in contact with the bearings.

Do I have that right?

westpak 10-12-2009 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 234048)
Thank you Terry. Just the kind of response I was looking for. So really, the direct impact on the oil temperature from the turbos is minimal because a very small portion of motor oil is in contact with the bearings.

Do I have that right?

correct, terry's explanation was pretty good, the amount of oil is small when compared to the oil capacity of the engine.

cooler is always a good idea specially when considering the temps down here and also that you will probably be driving the car harder and also the engine reving a lot faster while in boost than when NA

terrycs 10-12-2009 10:19 PM

On the way home from work, I took note of some peak holds which I haven't cleared since the beginning of this year. We've also had our share of 100+ weather. BUT ... I've never tracked my car so I've never hit limp mode.

EGT = 1453 at the manifold

Oil T = 233

Coolant T = 222

For reference at idle, the EGT goes down to 700-750.

So yea, the turbos will not add much more heat to the oil but under boost, the higher EGT WILL. If I tracked my car, I'd add an oil cooler.

LiquidZ 10-12-2009 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by terrycs (Post 234209)
On the way home from work, I took note of some peak holds which I haven't cleared since the beginning of this year. We've also had our share of 100+ weather. BUT ... I've never tracked my car so I've never hit limp mode.

EGT = 1453 at the manifold

Oil T = 233

Coolant T = 222

For reference at idle, the EGT goes down to 700-750.

So yea, the turbos will not add much more heat to the oil but under boost, the higher EGT WILL. If I tracked my car, I'd add an oil cooler.

Thank you Terry. It would be interesting to know what EGT an N/A car sees at the manifold.

protoZ 10-13-2009 04:39 PM

i know this is off the wall but what are the specs on those wheels

westpak 10-13-2009 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by protoZ (Post 235002)
i know this is off the wall but what are the specs on those wheels

Sizes are Front 19x9.5 30 offset and Rear 19x10.5 18 offset

protoZ 10-13-2009 06:51 PM

thanks:tup:

Equinox 10-13-2009 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 214124)
Is there space for the Stillen Gen 3 intakes?

turbo systems replace the intakes, so the stillen gen 3 intakes are replaced by intercooler piping

370ZBLACK09 10-19-2009 12:30 AM

Can the automatic transmission handle this TT setup? And if so what other upgrades would you need to buy to make sure it ran perfectly (if any)?

tinysumo 10-26-2009 12:02 AM

Sorry I dunno if you answered this already but what front lip is that? Also who makes those rear spats?

protoZ 10-26-2009 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tinysumo (Post 252583)
Sorry I dunno if you answered this already but what front lip is that? Also who makes those rear spats?

i assume your talking about the silver car. if so they are the front sides and rear spats are all nismo.

terrycs 10-27-2009 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 370ZBLACK09 (Post 243244)
Can the automatic transmission handle this TT setup? And if so what other upgrades would you need to buy to make sure it ran perfectly (if any)?

Yes, AT reliability can be increased by adding a tranmission cooler and shift kit to keep fluid temps down. Sensors and gauges that have audible alarms are also highly recommended to monitor temps and pressures.

Slidefox 11-10-2009 08:22 PM

Sick build fellas!

Sugar 11-23-2009 08:13 PM

Looks really good guys. Any word on a price/close estimate to a price?

phantom21 11-24-2009 07:57 AM

I'm also interested in pricing.

bullitt5897 11-24-2009 09:37 AM

The price of the kits can be found on GTM's website... Install you can expect to be around $3-4k depending on what all you got. Remember its more than just the kit. You have to figure in the supporting mods as well.

ssqpolo 11-24-2009 12:00 PM

has anyone else installed a gtm kit? all i know of is this one and GTM's....


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