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Nixlimited 09-24-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakes709 (Post 210609)
is that why the bov sounds really long? its not a quick little blow off, its quite long.

That's the valve fluttering. It probably needs spring adjustment, though I don't recall whether that tial BOV can be adjusted like that. I am kinda surprised they didn't use HKS SSQVs. I feel like those are a preferred valve. I hated my Tial BOV on my STi and took it off for something else.

JoeD 09-24-2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 211048)
That's the valve fluttering. It probably needs spring adjustment, though I don't recall whether that tial BOV can be adjusted like that. I am kinda surprised they didn't use HKS SSQVs. I feel like those are a preferred valve. I hated my Tial BOV on my STi and took it off for something else.

While the HKS is certainly good, TiAl makes the best blow-off vlaves and wastegates money can buy. Their BOV also has a significantly higher flow-capacity than the SSQV.

IvoryG 09-24-2009 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 209446)
We are going to give the Cobb a shot, so far Jack put it in and adjusted the fuel and working so, we will see how it goes when we tune.

What are you going to due for timing? The cobb isn't allowing the G37 guys to actually pull or add any timing. With the stock CR you are going to have to pull some timing.

HP Logic 09-24-2009 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IvoryG (Post 211682)
What are you going to due for timing? The cobb isn't allowing the G37 guys to actually pull or add any timing. With the stock CR you are going to have to pull some timing.


There are a few ways to achieve desired timing...but the provided combustion duration maps alone arent enough....We have been working with the 370z timing system a bit and have a few methods that will be implemented along with the Access port....

Nixlimited 09-25-2009 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD (Post 211137)
While the HKS is certainly good, TiAl makes the best blow-off vlaves and wastegates money can buy. Their BOV also has a significantly higher flow-capacity than the SSQV.

Yeah, I liked my Tial wastegate, though it did start to stick after a while (but they rebuilt it for free). As for the flow, I am guessing that's why people often run 2 HKSs, like on turbo M3s. There is the matter of the sound it makes too--not everyone likes it.

jmlenz 09-25-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 208591)
DO it do it LOL

here are a couple of more videos, I will post up dyno videos tomorow when we get to tune it, should get the exhaust done tomorrow morning

YouTube - 370Z Twin Turbo at Horsepower Logic / Limitless Performance

YouTube - 370Z Twin Turbo at Horsepower Logic / Limitless Performance

^^^ sex to my ears!

westpak 09-26-2009 12:32 PM

here are some pics, results were 434RWHP at 7.5 psi on our Mustang dyno, so about 475-480RWHP on a dynojet

http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt3.JPG

http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt4.JPG

Motley crew, owner, tuner and installer

http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt5.JPG

YouTube - MOV00060

YouTube - MOV00061

YouTube - MOV00064

FuszNissan 09-26-2009 12:34 PM

I got my money on the kart!

john370z 09-26-2009 01:05 PM

have you posted a dyno chart? I am currious as to torque, specifically low rpm torque. Looking to compare it to a s/c.
thanks
john

westpak 09-26-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by john370z (Post 213909)
have you posted a dyno chart? I am currious as to torque, specifically low rpm torque. Looking to compare it to a s/c.
thanks
john

I will post up the dyno later when I get to scan it.

The curve is pretty flat all the way across with max at 333RWTQ on our dyno or around 370RWTQ on a dynojet

HP Logic 09-26-2009 03:54 PM

...The car did really well on the dyno...I am very impressed how well this setup performs and drives...drives like stock until the turbos come on...and they do come on quick!....the sound with the open wastegates is phenomenal in boost and quiet through the 3in custom X-pipe implemented during normal driving...all I can say is WOW...this car feels like it should now!...more vids and pics on the way...stay tuned!...:driving:

-Jack

westpak 09-26-2009 05:35 PM

http://sfzcc.com/370zttdyno.jpg

blackbird 09-26-2009 05:55 PM

Having owned a 300ZXTT with aftermarket turbos etc. 7.5 lbs seems low. The HP looks good. I'm assuming the 7.5 is for reliability with stock internals, correct?

blackbird 09-26-2009 05:57 PM

Is there space for the Stillen Gen 3 intakes?

SAM@GTM 09-26-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 214100)

Good Job guys, Very clean :tup:

Sam

westpak 09-26-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 214122)
Having owned a 300ZXTT with aftermarket turbos etc. 7.5 lbs seems low. The HP looks good. I'm assuming the 7.5 is for reliability with stock internals, correct?

well the VQ breaths way better and has higher compression than the VG, having owned one you will know that you need about 20 psi for the same numbers we got with only 7.5 psi on the 370Z, this put the horsepower where we felt comfortable with on a stock block, it was almost doubled from stock.

don't want to find the limits on a customer's Z

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 214124)
Is there space for the Stillen Gen 3 intakes?

no, there is so much piping that the G3's cannot be there and are not the right shape to get to the turbos if you want to use them as intakes

ssqpolo 09-26-2009 06:14 PM

congrats to the owner and you guys for putting this beast together!! looks amazing. he put some money into this car...rims, s tune, now the turbos!! i like alot. which turbos did u use from GTM...i know theres like a turbo option when u buy the kit.

JoeD 09-26-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Logic (Post 214049)
...The car did really well on the dyno...I am very impressed how well this setup performs and drives...drives like stock until the turbos come on...and they do come on quick!....the sound with the open wastegates is phenomenal in boost and quiet through the 3in custom X-pipe implemented during normal driving...all I can say is WOW...this car feels like it should now!...more vids and pics on the way...stay tuned!...:driving:

-Jack

Any chance we could see the release of a kit which doesn't maintain stock drivability and the turbos don't come on quick?

IvoryG 09-26-2009 06:36 PM

I like that torque curve. Is this on 28's with .64 or .86? Looks like the cobb did an excellent job for a/f. I am assuming you installed a tuner kit since you went with cobb. What injectors are you running?

westpak 09-26-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ssqpolo (Post 214156)
congrats to the owner and you guys for putting this beast together!! looks amazing. he put some money into this car...rims, s tune, now the turbos!! i like alot. which turbos did u use from GTM...i know theres like a turbo option when u buy the kit.

Thanks, they are the Stage 2

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Originally Posted by JoeD (Post 214191)
Any chance we could see the release of a kit which doesn't maintain stock drivability and the turbos don't come on quick?

LOL sure anything you want

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Originally Posted by IvoryG (Post 214194)
I like that torque curve. Is this on 28's with .64 or .86? Looks like the cobb did an excellent job for a/f. I am assuming you installed a tuner kit since you went with cobb. What injectors are you running?

with the .86 and we are Cobb Tuners

injectirs are 600cc

JoeD 09-26-2009 07:16 PM

Just to make sure...this is the same setup that made 611 RWHP on the G37 running 12-pounds on 100-octane?

westpak 09-26-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD (Post 214253)
Just to make sure...this is the same setup that made 611 RWHP on the G37 running 12-pounds on 100-octane?

pretty much

G37Sam 09-26-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD (Post 214253)
Just to make sure...this is the same setup that made 611 RWHP on the G37 running 12-pounds on 100-octane?

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 214282)
pretty much

Did you guys install the stage I (0.64a/r) or stage II kit (0.84a/r)?

Valentino 09-26-2009 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam (Post 214288)
Did you guys install the stage I (0.64a/r) or stage II kit (0.84a/r)?

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 214209)
Thanks, they are the Stage 2



LOL sure anything you want



with the .86 and we are Cobb Tuners

injectirs are 600cc


:owned:

G37Sam 09-26-2009 07:57 PM

Sorry I missed on that post

Valentino 09-26-2009 08:02 PM

Good job Horsepower Logic.

Questions:

How is the rubber elbow holding @ 7.5psi(the one on the top left of the inter cooler)?

Would that rubber hoes take the heat and abuse of higher boost in the long run with out coming off or get damaged?

Thanks

westpak 09-26-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 214365)
Good job Horsepower Logic.

Questions:

How is the rubber elbow holding @ 7.5psi(the one on the top left of the inter cooler)?

Would that rubber hoes take the heat and abuse of higher boost in the long run with out coming off or get damaged?

Thanks

well tough to tell since so far it has only been a few pulls on the dyno, but it held up fine with no obvious bulging, if that is your concern, it is pretty thick and as for heat, it wont see any more heat than the rest of the plastic/rubber parts in the engine bay.

it is similar if not the same as the parts used in the Injen cold air intakes.

Valentino 09-26-2009 10:17 PM

The OEM rubbers, plastics, and the Injen cold air intakes will never go throw the pressure that this rubber elbow will go throw.

anyway. time will tell. and this is an easy fix. exchange it with a metal elbow, for more reliability.

Peace.

westpak 09-26-2009 10:38 PM

here are a couple of more pics

http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt7.JPG

one of the custom exhaust

http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt6.JPG

SAM@GTM 09-26-2009 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 214577)
The OEM rubbers, plastics, and the Injen cold air intakes will never go throw the pressure that this rubber elbow will go throw.

anyway. time will tell. and this is an easy fix. exchange it with a metal elbow, for more reliability.

Peace.

FYI

GTM 4-Ply High Resistance Nomex Silicon couplers specification

Material: Premium Silicone Compound / Nomex (Aramid) ply reinforcement.

Temperature Rating: Manufactured to SAE J20 standards. Operating temperatures from 65° F to 500°F (-54° C to 260°C)

Pressure Rating: 250 PSI.

Sam

Supergoji 09-26-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 214135)
well the VQ breaths way better and has higher compression than the VG, having owned one you will know that you need about 20 psi for the same numbers we got with only 7.5 psi on the 370Z, this put the horsepower where we felt comfortable with on a stock block, it was almost doubled from stock.

well the VQ has .7 liter on the VG, 11:1 compression instead of 8.5. so thats where the power over the VG is coming from. ;)



nice install and power. i was expecting to see more though :(

Valentino 09-27-2009 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 214611)
FYI

GTM 4-Ply High Resistance Nomex Silicon couplers specification

Material: Premium Silicone Compound / Nomex (Aramid) ply reinforcement.

Temperature Rating: Manufactured to SAE J20 standards. Operating temperatures from 65° F to 500°F (-54° C to 260°C)

Pressure Rating: 250 PSI.

Sam


So that rubber elbow won't leak air or come off under high boost?

370zdub 09-27-2009 01:40 AM

What rims are on this car? They have a great look to them. Also great job with the install looks factory with everything bolted back up. Can't as for much more as far as fit and finish go!

westpak 09-27-2009 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 214748)
So that rubber elbow won't leak air or come off under high boost?

If the clamps are on tight it shouldn't just like any of the couplings

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zdub (Post 214804)
What rims are on this car? They have a great look to them. Also great job with the install looks factory with everything bolted back up. Can't as for much more as far as fit and finish go!

They are Volk GT30 Phantom Edition

SAM@GTM 09-27-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 214748)
So that rubber elbow won't leak air or come off under high boost?

Not at all, not to mention that we supply T-Bolt clamps which are proven hardware for high boost applications

Sam

ssqpolo 09-27-2009 01:06 PM

wow. that car looks a billion times better with the painted front. u should do the side skirts too

TARDCORE 09-27-2009 01:07 PM

[QUOTE=westpak@HPLogic;214602]
http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt7.JPG
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That front end looks effing amazing!! That is a kit from Nismo? What kit is it? Any pics of the rear?

edit: saw the other pics of a side view of the rear. Wondering if you can post a full view of the rear please?

370zTwinTurbo 09-27-2009 01:38 PM

[QUOTE=TARDCORE;215132]
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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic (Post 214602)
http://sfzcc.com/gus/370ztt7.JPG
QUOTE]

That front end looks effing amazing!! That is a kit from Nismo? What kit is it? Any pics of the rear?

edit: saw the other pics of a side view of the rear. Wondering if you can post a full view of the rear please?

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/IMG_0069.jpg

ssqpolo 09-27-2009 03:49 PM

very nice! are u gonna paint the wing and mirrors black too? or that may be too much. looks amazing tho. nice choice of rims

spearfish25 09-27-2009 03:52 PM

Keep painting things black and it will look like a bumper car soon.


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