lies^^

wrong. I'm guessing you've never driven anything with high boost.

^but we're not talking about high boost with the vq37. GTM twins are running around low 6-9 psi

TT's in general, have alot, and I mean ALOT of components to them. When you introduce compressed air into something not designed for it, somewhere along the lines issues will pop up. Its a law of physics, when the possibility exists for things to go wrong, they will, and with an extensive build like a TT, increases those chances 2 fold. Lets get back on topic please, GTM's full bolt on "affordable" Supercharger kit, shall we?

Red370,

Don't waste your time, I have argued this over and over and over again here and there are people who are convinced that turnkey, problem-less turbo kits exist. Its usually either people who don't consider blow-by or boost creep anything to worry about or who have "buddies" that have TT cars that magically have never had any issues.

Then again, some people know it comes with the territory and still do it. That's ok by my book, but its silly to pretend TT'ing an N/A car comes without any problems.

Not trying to be negative about GTM's kits or anyones for that matter, its just what I've experienced and seen and why I'm going SC this time around.

:iagree: Anytime you start boosting a high compression motor bad things happen. The engine has a safety factor, and putting boost to them eliminates that. Putting the motor at the edge and then having detonation problems, not good. That's why the 300zxtt had a lower compression than the NA. I see one of the biggest benefits of the SC is less heat in the engine compartment.

Agreed, The GTM TT kit looks great and I bet performs like a champ, but my old GSX was a pain in the a$$ to keep running good, which is why i'll be Supercharging as well. Its a toss-up between this and Stillens when it comes out. I love the low end tq of a screw, but the top end of a centrifigal type is great too. We'll see which makes the most power while still being cost effective, im still not paying over 6k, I dont care what anyone says.

Won't the stillen kit be better for those who want more low end TQ & have installed the G3 intakes already?

Why is it that you always post exactly what I am/was about to?

I quit!! :)

If stillen lets you keep the G3 intake I'm all for it. I still wonder how they are going to deal with the pesky vvel though.

A Roots style blower will always make better low end TQ than a Centrifugal style, because a a Centrifugal blower takes a little bit to build boost, much like a Turbo compressor. It would be nice if the G3's would work, but i, or nobody else for that matter, know how Stillen plans to fit their setup on the VQ37.

Ya those G3 intakes were not cheap, and it would def suck if they did not work with the mystery stillen S/C. And I also think that the VVEL is giving most tuners a hard time.

Bahaha the funny thing is that you do it to me all the time too.

Lets keep this thread on topic guys, this is about the GTM SC, not the Stillen. There's a thread for the Stillen.

Talking generally about torque curve, I too prefer a stronger low end than top end.

Sry for going off topic, at least the GTM kit is going to be a single rotex kit, if it was a twin S/C, I think the price & hassles would be alot higher.

I agree... TTing an NA car is always going to introduce some kind of trouble.

Yes the 3.7 HR block is much more stout, but it will not be effortless, without headaches, or inexpensive. People expect this to be seamless like it was a Toyota Supra, or something designed from the factory to hold boost.

Just look over in the forced induction forum on the other Z board. People have spent small fortunes boosting the 350z.. It was never that easy.

How will you keep the G3, when you consider adding a supercharge?

I think it is safe to say...hold off on wasting your money on intakes if you are going with a s/c. I don't think Stillen and GTM are thinking of integrating them into their kits. I would be wrong...Chime in Sam if I am. Looking forward to hearing more information as you get it Sam..
Thanks
john

I really hope you guys release a stage (like stage 0.5) for the MOST but safest amount of HP/TQ on a STOCK block. I'm thinking 400 to 450 for DD would be seriously a quick seller. Then offer an upgrade path to 1, 2 or 3 like the SCs for E46 M3s.

What I would really like to see is for Uprev Osiris to come in the picture and offer in-home flashing with switchable maps. It would be so sick to switch a map with a low boost for regular driving then switch it up to 10psi (just as an example) at a flick of a button.

This is why im holding off on buying anymore parts for the car. Doesnt matter what i kit, ill either have to take it off to support a supercharger for tt....only thing i can get is a exhaust

Superchargers usually change boost levels through a pulley change. What you are describing is common with turbo cars with electronic boost controllers.

dual throttlebodies near the stock location feeding the intake neck to the blower?

oh and for the GTM kit can't see why the compressor out pipe couldn't run through a FMIC an then into a Y pipe that would feed into the stillen gen3's. Maybe use a vertical flow intercooler element/tank arrangement to put the dump right there. That way everyone who buys a GTM kit could rock the stillen G3 until they install the rest of the kit.

subscribo

Thats so unlikely....GTM isn't going to mfg a supercharger kit to work with the competition's parts. Plus I'm assuming piping diameter and routing will be optimized for the SC...not to work with Stillen's intakes...

Come on guys, it's not like a 500$ intake will stop you from ordering a SC haha

specially when you can sell the intake...

I know I have a question and I am guessing many others are also interested in the answer as well. I would love to have a forced induction system (especially since I am at 5500 ft. elevation and am already loosing over 20% from that alone) but to use Ron Popeil’s term, I would like to “set it and forget it”. I would like the highest gains that are safe for the engine. I would not like to have the lifespan of the engine reduced by any significant amount. I do not want to have to take it to a tuner after the initial setup and install and initial tune. Basically I would like the overall reliability to remain while performance was greatly improved. Is this possible? Am I expecting too much? If I wanted 375+ rwhp, should I have bought a car that came that way from the factory? I would love to hear from GTM and Stillen about these questions. Thanks for your time and attention!
John

Do you really need to post the same question three times in the top three threads?

(And 'yes', I have to post my same question three times to make a point)

^ LOL of the day for me.

:iagree:

hehehe

John

I don't think you are expecting too much, That is the way it should be and that is why we offer our GTM turn key so you can "set it and forget it " as you said .

-Our GTM Turn key solution whether TT or SC does not require a retune (maf tuning )

-Our engine management solution is done via flashing the factory ecu so basically you are getting the factory driveability just with a lot more power

Plus We are working on a good platform from the start, all those things will deliver what you are looking for and more ...All you have to do is just buy the GTM kit

Sam

thanks sam!

How much TQ did your kit dyno at?

Yes...would love to know the s/c torque curve...compared to the TT setup?

^ dont think the SC kit is up and running yet...still a ways off from dyno numbers for sure

They are probably fabbing the piping as we speak...

We will have some more pics to show by the end of this week, It is moving forward smoothly .

Sam

How are you guys going to handle the tuning for the S/C?, since the VVEL is such a pain in the ***.

Probably the same way they did with their TT kit :happydance:

software and hardware included on the TT kits i heard