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Old 01-24-2014, 08:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Clever right??

Obviously this is not a Ponzi scheme. What we do see is classic small business cash flow issues. Sam is the backbone of the business and his health incident may have been a terrific blow to the company. 1 in 4 small business owners don't have any health insurance in this country, so that question comes to mind also.

If cash flow was not an issue, GTM would be responding to all this bad publicity by speeding up refunds. Their slow action only creates more doubt. Not in your mind of course because you have a vested interest in it not being true.
From what I have read GTM have always been slow in both communication and action. This goes back for years and I don't think that it is really news to anyone here. I haven't dealt with them myself previously but the quality of their products seems to have always made up for thier failings in other areas.

If you want to read into the current situation that GTM have cash flow issues then thats fine, I have thought of that myself in the past. What I would would personally never do, is make comments insinuating such a thing without anything more than vague guesswork to support my hypothosis. Especially when I have no involvement with the company and others do. I would definitely never make such comments in a discussion about a product that I have no personal interest in and that others have resonably large amounts of money invested in. That would (in my opinion) be a very low thing to do, due to its sole visable purpose of attempting to create histeria, fear, doubt and panic in others.

I liken it to someone that you have just met tellng you that they have a headache and then going around telling that persons family and friends that you think that its probably brain cancer. Based on the evidence at hand you could end up being correct but its still a prick of a thing to actually do......
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From what I have read GTM have always been slow in both communication and action. This goes back for years and I don't think that it is really news to anyone here. I haven't dealt with them myself previously but the quality of their products seems to have always made up for thier failings in other areas.

If you want to read into the current situation that GTM have cash flow issues then thats fine, I have thought of that myself in the past. What I would would personally never do, is make comments insinuating such a thing without anything more than vague guesswork to support my hypothosis. Especially when I have no involvement with the company and others do. I would definitely never make such comments in a discussion about a product that I have no personal interest in and that others have resonably large amounts of money invested in. That would (in my opinion) be a very low thing to do, due to its sole visable purpose of attempting to create histeria, fear, doubt and panic in others.

I liken it to someone that you have just met tellng you that they have a headache and then going around telling that persons family and friends that you think that its probably brain cancer. Based on the evidence at hand you could end up being correct but its still a prick of a thing to actually do......
I still have an interest in seeing GTM succeed. I still want my CARB certified supercharger from them. I would take no pleasure in seeing them fail. That said, some people need to open their eyes a little. Something is not right here.
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It's never been this bad. It's never been great, but this has gotten really bad.

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We don't agree often, but you hit the nail on the head here.
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I still have an interest in seeing GTM succeed. I still want my CARB certified supercharger from them. I would take no pleasure in seeing them fail. That said, some people need to open their eyes a little. Something is not right here.
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It's never been this bad. It's never been great, but this has gotten really bad.



We don't agree often, but you hit the nail on the head here.
Good to see that the entire point of my post was completely missed......

I hope that I am never on a plane with either of you guys. If there was a noise that sounded slightly off you two would probably scream "we're all gonna die!!!". Instead of doing the clever thing which would be to ask a flight attendant if everything was ok. But hey, at least screaming "we're all gonna die" lets everyone on the plane who has already heard the same noise know that there may possibly be a problem, right....
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Good to see that the entire point of my post was completely missed......

I hope that I am never on a plane with either of you guys. If there was a noise that sounded slightly off you two would probably scream "we're all gonna die!!!". Instead of doing the clever thing which would be to ask a flight attendant if everything was ok. But hey, at least screaming "we're all gonna die" lets everyone on the plane who has already heard the same noise know that there may possibly be a problem, right....
The nice thing about a plane is the flight attendant is readily available to ask that question. Maybe Sam is more like a pilot. They are easy enough to get ahold of while boarding, but when you need straight answers in an emergency during flight, they aren't available. Or they come on the intercom and tell you everything is ok while you are dropping 500 feet per second.

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Point of perspective.
All the passengers here have been asking the flight attendant wtf is that noise and getting completely ignored. You're gonna sit there and get ignored til the crash?
There are 2 types of passengers. The ones who did nothing and crashed into the towers and the passengers who fought back and crashed and saved hundreds of lives.
I know what type of passenger u are now and I can assure u I'd never wanna fly on the same plane as you.
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The nice thing about a plane is the flight attendant is readily available to ask that question. Maybe Sam is more like a pilot. They are easy enough to get ahold of while boarding, but when you need straight answers in an emergency during flight, they aren't available. Or they come on the intercom and tell you everything is ok while you are dropping 500 feet per second.

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WTF are you talking about?
I have never once been ignored by GTM. Every single time that there has been an "inflight emergency" I have called, spoken with either Mike or Sam and found out what is going on and that the "noise" I heard was simply the sound of kits being built or brain surgury being done. You guys seem to think that because they don't post on here much, that they are also not answering calls and not opening the doors of their shop.

Elperuano: are you seriously making a 911 comparison? Too easy.......

Right now, GTM are flying their plane along nicely. There was a delay due to some bad weather and medical issues but the autopilot light is still blinking nicely. The passangers who have paid for their tickets are strapped in tightly, watching a movie, snacking on peanuts and waiting to eventually land. Some of them are frustrated at the delay becuase noone likes long flights but that unfortunately is the nature of air travel.

Some other people have now suddenly boarded the plane mid flight, screaming "Jihad, Jihad!!! Alah akbah!!! This plane is going to crash and everyone on it is going to die!!! The pilot is asleep at the controls and we have a "cash flow" bomb strapped to our chests! If you want to live you had better jump out of the plane now!!!!!"

You are 100% correct about which type of passanger I am. I am the one who will fight back against the uninvited terrorists who didn't even buy a ticket for the flight that I am on. I will tell the women and children on the plane that there is nothing to worry about because causing panic is the least useful thing to do in this type of situation. Unless someone shows me that the pilot has a bullet in the back of his head, then I will continue to have faith in his skills due to his many many hours of flight time. After throwing the terrorists out the window, i will go and check on the pilot (via telephone if need be). If he says that everything is under control, then I will believe him because...well.....he is a pilot, he knows how to fly and I don't.

The terrorists who boarded midflight thought that they were doing the right thing for their people. They believed that causing a panic and scaring everyone on the plane would somehow help the overall situation.......

Have a long hard think about the situation.......if you can show me a dead pilot, then I will take notice. If you just scream "Alah Ahkbar!!!" all day long, i will ignore you.

MMC RACING - Do you know why the pilot tells you that there is nothing wrong even when there is? Because causing panic midflight and encouraging people to jump out the window does not help the situation one single bit! Especially if there are not enough parashoots to go around......

I know that I am wasting my time again but you guys really need to wake up and realise what you are doing and the further issues that it may cause.
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WTF are you talking about?
I have never once been ignored by GTM. Every single time that there has been an "inflight emergency" I have called, spoken with either Mike or Sam and found out what is going on and that the "noise" I heard was simply the sound of kits being built or brain surgury being done. You guys seem to think that because they don't post on here much, that they are also not answering calls and not opening the doors of their shop.

Elperuano: are you seriously making a 911 comparison? Too easy.......

Right now, GTM are flying their plane along nicely. There was a delay due to some bad weather and medical issues but the autopilot light is still blinking nicely. The passangers who have paid for their tickets are strapped in tightly, watching a movie, snacking on peanuts and waiting to eventually land. Some of them are frustrated at the delay becuase noone likes long flights but that unfortunately is the nature of air travel.

Some other people have now suddenly boarded the plane mid flight, screaming "Jihad, Jihad!!! Alah akbah!!! This plane is going to crash and everyone on it is going to die!!! The pilot is asleep at the controls and we have a "cash flow" bomb strapped to our chests! If you want to live you had better jump out of the plane now!!!!!"

You are 100% correct about which type of passanger I am. I am the one who will fight back against the uninvited terrorists who didn't even buy a ticket for the flight that I am on. I will tell the women and children on the plane that there is nothing to worry about because causing panic is the least useful thing to do in this type of situation. Unless someone shows me that the pilot has a bullet in the back of his head, then I will continue to have faith in his skills due to his many many hours of flight time. After throwing the terrorists out the window, i will go and check on the pilot (via telephone if need be). If he says that everything is under control, then I will believe him because...well.....he is a pilot, he knows how to fly and I don't.

The terrorists who boarded midflight thought that they were doing the right thing for their people. They believed that causing a panic and scaring everyone on the plane would somehow help the overall situation.......

Have a long hard think about the situation.......if you can show me a dead pilot, then I will take notice. If you just scream "Alah Ahkbar!!!" all day long, i will ignore you.

MMC RACING - Do you know why the pilot tells you that there is nothing wrong even when there is? Because causing panic midflight and encouraging people to jump out the window does not help the situation one single bit! Especially if there are not enough parashoots to go around......

I know that I am wasting my time again but you guys really need to wake up and realise what you are doing and the further issues that it may cause.
Jesus, dude. Sam and Mike are big boys. They can clean up their own mess. You don't have to keep playing Captain Save-A-Ho every time someone posts something they you don't agree with. The plane analogy was retarded when you first brought it up, and just keeps getting worse.
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I still have an interest in seeing GTM succeed. I still want my CARB certified supercharger from them. I would take no pleasure in seeing them fail. That said, some people need to open their eyes a little. Something is not right here.


I hope Sam and GTM can pull through this fragile situation because like I mentioned earlier, they are the only one so far in the market that can provide such a turbo kit that is as close to factory made as possible. So, think positive and hope we can support them through this nightmare and by the end we'll all be benefited.
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they are the only one so far in the market that can provide such a turbo kit that is as close to factory made as possible.
Let's not go crazy here. They make a good kit, but things will always have to be massaged to fit. Aftermarket parts will never fit as well as factory.
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Ha ha this **** again?! Please explain........
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