If you go meth make sure you use braided, metal (strong) lines and connectors! I learned this the hard way and will never run meth again. E85 > Meth if you have it in your area. I'll be going that route in the near future.

Agreed. What I was really talking about is the issue of if the meth goes out (and you didn't have another tune), you would have issues.

You absolutely can run a water meth injection system without a tune. The only difference is you wont get the full performance gains, but it will kill detonation. Lots of guys do it, some will go 75w/25m instead of 50/50. It is only half fuel half water and the fuel is an oxidizer as well so it doesnt impact the afrs as much as you think. Any power lost by running richer is gained in charge cooling.

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Do so at your own peril.

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It it is not being used for power, then it really does not solve any existing problem(not that I would use it for power).

You get safety from a a great tune, great install and quality parts/supporting mods. The kit is proven to run about 500hp on 91 and more on 93. We all chose safe, responsible tunes, tunes that will never warrant the need for additional safety measure.

There is nothing wrong with it(meth), but I personally would sell it and invest in a return style fuel system, radiator and oil cooler and call that my safety net. Which is what I did...not one hitch yet, running stronger than the day I got it. I wouldn't bother adding anything else to bump the power before addressing that "trifecta".

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I got turbo whistle for days

That startup and idle tho. Likely the most exciting video here.

Testing new mic, gotta say it is such a sweet sweet sound. You can smell the e85 burning from this angle!:tiphat:

Oh and this is a cold start, 60 degrees. The car starts like this every....single....time. This kit is a masterpiece indeed.

Yes I clean under the car regularly, enjoy!

Radiator Oil cooler fuel return system are all things that should be on a car in the first place for safety. Trying to steer someone away from using meth setup just because of your own personal reasons is not solid advice. The truth is meth can be used just for safety.

There are pro's and cons for using E85 as well ,there are cars that I know of that have had engine damage using this fuel with some stations having inconsistent E85 at the pump plus a tune that's to aggressive . Now I have not seen this on a 370z because people are just starting to use this fuel on this platform.


What we need on this platform is a real flex fuel tuning solution witch is suppose to come out with Ecutek.

true the e85 concentrations do change from station to station, I have nothing against it it makes great power but a lot of station owners aren't very carefull with it. It absorbs water so the longer it sits in the storage tank at the station the better chance it will a weaker batch if the tank is old. Then there are issues with the actual percentage and octane of the gasoline in the fuel, if you tune with a batch that has less gas or more dissolved water than normal, or if you have to much gas in your tank when you add the e85 you can run into serious issues when you don't have an alcohol percentage sensor in the ecu.

Also right on squeeze, meth is cheap insurance when boosting a factory 11:1 block when a bad batch of fuel, on hot day, pushing the car a little harder than normal, maybe a bit of fuel starve and you started detonating. A lot of tunes are set up safe but **** happens, if the oem tune is set as safe as possible why did nissan bother putting knock detection on it in the first place?

Great now I'm nervous when I get e85. I do have two meth bungs on my charge pipes so I need to hurry and get on that already.

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its usually not something to really worry about, its just like running into a bad batch of gas, but it does happen. the mixing is more important, if you switch between the fuels make sure you do it the way it was when the car was tuned, if you have too much gas in your tank you will lower the octane of the e85 when you fill up, and if you have too much e85 in the tank you will lean out if you fill up on gas. this is why the alcohol percentage sensor is so important, most tunes are safe enough to handle the minor variations but you won't want to fill up when you have a quarter tank of the other fuel left in the car. and a minor variation could still cause you issues if you are a little off and you run in to other problems.

+1. I implemented an aquamist HFS-6 system with dual pre-TB nozzles and even tried small pre-turbo nozzles as well. Just not worth it. I had all the safeties with a flow switch that would cut boost if low flow etc but it was just a headache to keep troubleshooting. When I took off my methanol injection set up - all my "stainless" hose fittings were beginning to show signs of rust.

A safe tune is the way to go and e85 rocks. Too bad there is no PNP Haltech unit for the 370z yet. Being able to mix any qty of E85 and 93 oct is so nice. For the adventuresome, Hal at Dynosty can probably make a custom harness.

About a year and a half ago I was in Florida at the Performance Racing Industry show and saw a Haltech that was suppose to come out. At the time I spoke with the Rep and even had my business information taken. I would have ran the unit on my car but like everything else with this platform development is slow.

I took these pictures December 1 2012 and was looking forward using this my car.

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haltech isn't making a plug n play ecu for our cars, but their new ECU (elite) will support the 370z. that should be out in 1-2 months from what they said

one more reason I am swapping to the HR heads for my build... ditch the VVEL and suddenly your EMS options are max'd

I know there not making a plug and play for our cars if they haven't come out with what I saw at the PRI show almost 2 years ago. Now this Elite ECU I wont
believe them tell I see it.

I spoke with Dustin at dynosty while my car was getting tuned for a lengthy time on this Haltech Platinum stand alone EMS and it is in fact a go. I believe Hal actually was sent out for some firsthand tuning training on it the week prior to 2K14

^ That is very good news for all FI 370TT owners! They may have a test unit in house then.

If they do he wasn't "at liberty" to discuss it with me as a consumer just yet lol but he has assured me they have figured a way to control the VVEL via a standalone EMS now. That was my first and foremost concern from the beginning

Update,

It has been a crazy past few months. A rat race to ship 6 TT kits the day before vacation, an amazing vacation that was so exhausting, I needed a vacation from my vacation and once I returned, we prepped 2 cars which are in transit to ZDayZ "which I will also be attending" next week, etc, etc, etc...

All of this being said, I wanted to chime in and give an update of sorts. First and foremost I received a call from Rich @ RDZ Motorsports in Danbury, CT. today. They just completed the install and tune of one of our TT kits. He was carrying on and on about the low end spool and top end pull. From the numbers I got from him he said the car made 436 RWH @ 8.5-9psi............Solid numbers for a "heart breaker Mustang Dyno". I am not one to say what it would "potentially" do on a Dynojet, so I won't! Not a fan of speculation and guesstimating.

Meanwhile, NixLimited has his car back in hand safe and sound back home. Sebastian @ SpecialtyZ did a great job with the install, especially considering what he had to work with coming from "that other shop." If I was a betting man, I would say that Nick will elaborate on all of it in his review once posted.

I want to take this time to share his dyno chart. I showcased 3 runs on the chart.

1) 91 Octane "Street" or more conservative tune.
2) 91 Octane "Aggressive" tune.
3) 100/91 Octane mixture tune.

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This is the first car with our FAST-500 fuel system. Well...It performed flawlessly. The fuel pressure is increasing as the boost increases. 1:1 as it should be. This fuel system is an essential piece to ensuring the supply of consistent, stable fuel pressure in the equation. "Highly recommended" for all forced induction applications on the Nissan 370Z. We will be officially releasing it once I return from ZDayZ.

The dyno chart is self explanatory. A lot of low end torque, solid mid range and a lot top end power. Taking the E85 cars out of the equation, this is the current flagship pump gas car for us.

As the temperature has risen in California, unfortunately our 91 Octane fuel has not gotten any better! That said, with Nick's car we opted to be very conservative with the ignition timing. That considered, we still met our customers initial expectations and got close to 600.

9 psi: 454 / 430 (91)
10.5-10.9 psi: 492 / 456 (91)
13.7-14.2 psi: 578 / 528 (100/91)

On a few 91 Octane runs we did see over 500 RWH however there was a hint of detonation and we backed it down. You will see that the 100 octane run is a 91 mixture as well. These runs were performed with 3 gallons of 91 in conjunction with 10 gallons of 100 octane. Unlike the original prototype car which we had "pure" 100 in along with much more aggressive A/F and timing, we will not give a customer his/her car back on the edge! We had that car in our possession for a long time and were prepared to fix it in the event that it broke under our watch. Chalk it up to R&D!

In closing, I spoke to Nick this evening and he will "hopefully" be able to stretch her legs in the next few days and over the weekend to give us all his initial thoughts. Until then, if anyone has any questions at all, please feel free to ask.

Thank you, Tony

Congrats Nix! Nice to see that you have finally joined the Boosted Family. Welcome:tiphat:

Interested in this fueling system you guys are developing.

Look forward to seeing its release!

The fueling system is a thing of beauty. Highly recommend it for any forced inducted car.

Tease. :p

578 rwhp with a 2.5" exhaust is awesome!

Hey Nix, congrats on you new TT and receiving your car back. Those are some very impressive numbers for a stage 1 kit on 91 octane and with race fuel...can you say "good night Irene!!!" As they say time heals all things and with almost 600whp and 530trq I'm thinking that other company will be all but forgotten after several boost intoxicating runs!

Enjoy and boooooooooost on!!!!

I don't know why everyone thinks you need dual 3" exhaust to make 600whp. it seems like a few companies released 3" exhausts and people assumed you needed them. At a certain point that will be true but I have yet to see anyone hit a wall with 2.5" to justify going 3". I made 575 last year, and I'm shooting for 650 this year on e85. If anything is going to hold me back its the GTM manifolds, not the 2.5" exhaust ;)

who said that? All I said was it was awesome #'s for their 2.5"

It's not that it can be done with 2.5", but it is easier to get there with a 3" pipe. Really for me it's about allowing for optimum flow and getting rid of as much heat as possible. Anyway, I don't think the companies which make 3" exhaust are doing it because it's cool. FI has only sold about 20 of them....

Very interested in the Fast-500 fuel system, gonna have to hold off on my build. Damn you Tony :tup:

Welcome gents, the promised land awaits.!

Still loving the **** out of this kit !

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Heat at the turbo produces better spool, larger exhaust produces less back pressure to create more spool. Hence turbo blankets, coatings, etc... awesome work FI... doing business right will always make you a first in customer choice! Those manifolds are sex for VQs and a first. Looking forward to this fuel system design and release.

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Not to derail... Heat at the turbo produces better spool?

Some in the industry say " The theory is simple: Heat is energy, and gas expands more the hotter it becomes. More heat kept in a turbo manifold or inside a turbine housing equates to more pressure (energy) that can be directed through a turbine wheel, improving turbine performance, and subsequently compressor performance, for an increase in overall boost pressure and a decrease in the time it takes to build that pressure"

Take it with a grain of salt I guess... just what I've been told

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HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY to our beloved moms, here on Earth and beyond.

AMEN, my friend.

I should take momma out for a trip in the Z.

Instead I went and bought her a minivan :tup:

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Happy boosting friends!