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ANMVQ 11-07-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fuct (Post 2004832)
then what was the point of the signed warranty paper work junk?

I really hope not. Like the line from Tommy Boy, " a warrantied piece of sh*t". ;)

fuct 11-07-2012 11:29 AM

Let's think about this for a sec, Ted. Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.

Go on, I'm listening.

Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.

Yeah, makes a man feel good.

'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?

What's your point?

The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. I seen it a hundred times.

But why do they put a guarantee on the box?

Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of ****. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me.




sorry, couldnt resist :)

Compdoc777 11-07-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2000381)
So just got the damn thing back and Saturday hears this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2tz...e_gdata_player

You need to do that again with some revs to tell if if is a rod or a valve. But most likely a rod and it sounds like it is chewing up that bearing.

Get an oil analysis and it will tell you what is happening and if the bearing is bad or something else.

Compression test would tell you if it was a bad valve. If you have done that already the it is a rod bearing and it's chewing up the crank.

There is a post about someone selling new motors on here.

Sell the SC and get the motor. Replace it and the you have something to drive.

Mitco39 11-07-2012 12:26 PM

You could also cut apart the oil filter and take a look. This is what my trucks filter looked like when I spun a lower rod bearing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._3931470_n.jpg

And no that is not gold.

Jordo! 11-07-2012 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2003770)
Thanx Jordo ,Car is going in tomorrow. I had a leak down test about 10 days ago. was perfect along with a compression test. so wee see what up tomorrow.

Ergh... then it might be a rod, as someone else mentioned.

Good luck!

ANMVQ 11-07-2012 07:18 PM

Fuct, not a lot has made me smile that last 10 days or so but that did, Thanx man,
All I could see was him dancing around saying "Building model airplanes".. ,

Yea I could get the REV'S casue my phone was dying, sorry.. But spoke to someone about what happens "if" the claim is denined, the words: triple damages" and faud came out in the conversation, HMMM

There is a post about someone selling new motors on here.
This I'm looking for now,

Mitco39 11-07-2012 07:28 PM

ANMVQ,

Maybe this will help?

09 Nissan 370Z Touring Edition Factory Complete Engine Assembly 39K Z34 VQ37 | eBay

ANMVQ 11-07-2012 07:52 PM

It does, Thanx man, Was just looking on factory nissan parts.com and the short block is only $1500.

Mitco39 11-07-2012 08:17 PM

That is not bad at all, I would of expected more.

SharpByCoop 11-08-2012 10:54 AM

My instinct and listening tells me it's valve noise related, not rods. The timing/frequency corresponds with this (or.... the power stroke). Neither is good, but one is far less costly.

Following this closely. Wishing for better news.

Coop

Nixlimited 11-08-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2005774)
It does, Thanx man, Was just looking on factory nissan parts.com and the short block is only $1500.

I wonder if that is with literally nothing (i.e. pistons, etc). That seems too cheap.

ANMVQ 11-09-2012 09:34 AM

Well cyl 3 is dead needs a short block . dealer said they couldn't warranty it do just got off the phone with consumer affairs.

edub370 11-09-2012 09:41 AM

damn... thats rough man

seems like 450whp has been done by many people. but i guess with yours being awd thats prolly more like 500... wondering what caused it to grenade... seems like hp that a few people are running

makes u wonder if it was a tune or a part failure

98intrigue 11-09-2012 10:27 AM

Granted it's hard to compare real life noise vs. a camera phone, but my motor sounded oddly familiar to yours. My motor was misifiring like crazy, but it never sounded/felt like knock. I'll never know...

Good luck with the rebuild.

superchargedg 11-09-2012 12:54 PM

Man this really sucks to hear...good luck with your next move.

indyn 11-09-2012 01:11 PM

I think you hardly drove this car since you got the s/c installed. Wasn't it at the dealership most of the time getting the kit function properly. You're giving up too easily on this, try harder with warranty, get some legal advice, make sure dealership and Infiniti knows it.

Motion Lab 11-09-2012 05:27 PM

Wow, sorry to hear about your troubles. Was this directly after the tuning or had you been beating on it pretty good? Wont know exactly until you get down to it, but it'll be interesting to see what let go. Post up pics, good luck!

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

ANMVQ 11-09-2012 07:34 PM

Hey , Alex was about 10 days after the tune, An no I was not beating it, LOL didnt do that before. :) I'm a older guy, Wife says I drive like grandma. The the other questioin yes I have bearly driven the damn thing, Bought and had the kit install was complete in Feb this year, Drove it for a few months and the SC issue came up July 7th, got the car back 15 days ago( Been at the dealer since tuesday) An, , ,, , ,, ,


The car just dumped all over the dealers floor :(, They confirmed that cyl 3 was junk. Low compresion 172 or something like that. They did not want to deal with the warranty issue so they where trying to have me take the car to Norwood( Where I bought the kit and had the install done) But we all remember why I did not want to go back there. So the the tech started the car put it in reverse and back up and BOOM!! CYL 3 rod blew a hole in the block and hit the floor, On top of that Norwood refused the car ( of course, they where HAPPY enough to take my $9600) But now there are issues again they refused the car, I have been on and off the phone with INF affairs all day.

Weird thing the dealer told me they could warranty the engine but I can not reinstall the SC???

blackonorange 11-09-2012 07:39 PM

Whhhhat? Hole in the block at idle? Wtf!!!!

Jordo! 11-09-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2008784)
Hey , Alex was about 10 days after the tune, An no I was not beating it, LOL didnt do that before. :) I'm a older guy, Wife says I drive like grandma. The the other questioin yes I have bearly driven the damn thing, Bought and had the kit install was complete in Feb this year, Drove it for a few months and the SC issue came up July 7th, got the car back 15 days ago( Been at the dealer since tuesday) An, , ,, , ,, ,


The car just dumped all over the dealers floor :(, They confirmed that cyl 3 was junk. Low compresion 172 or something like that. They did not want to deal with the warranty issue so they where trying to have me take the car to Norwood( Where I bought the kit and had the install done) But we all remember why I did not want to go back there. So the the tech started the car put it in reverse and back up and BOOM!! CYL 3 rod blew a hole in the block and hit the floor, On top of that Norwood refused the car ( of course, they where HAPPY enough to take my $9600) But now there are issues again they refused the car, I have been on and off the phone with INF affairs all day.

Weird thing the dealer told me they could warranty the engine but I can not reinstall the SC???

Meaning they will give you a new shortblock but not install the SC?

I'd say take that deal and reinstal the SC later after the motor breaks in.

DIGItonium 11-09-2012 10:55 PM

Wow sorry to hear about the misfortune. That's everyone's nightmare with a turbo setup. What I like about my setup is that my car is pretty much "n/a" most of the time since I don't get on it very much. Even if I do, it's usually half throttle. It's enough for a little turbo fun. I'm still scared to floor it in 1st haha.

Hope all goes well and you get the car running again.

Staples 11-09-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2008967)
Meaning they will give you a new shortblock but not install the SC?

I'd say take that deal and reinstal the SC later after the motor breaks in.


What he said! :iagree:

ANMVQ 11-10-2012 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2008967)
Meaning they will give you a new shortblock but not install the SC?

I'd say take that deal and reinstal the SC later after the motor breaks in.


Yea something I was thinking about, But going to cost me like 4k to do that, I would have to pay for the stock parts I do not have, Intakes and stock injectors+ all the labor to remove the SC kit, Then have it reinstalled and retuned later. I know its better than paying 9k to fix it on my own but why should I pay anything whem all my paper work says" The installation of the super charger will not void any of the factor warranties". If they really push on that as the only way , I will tell them" Cool Just give me back my $9600 in partd and labor that you dealer talked me into buying by telling me my warranty would not be effected".

Thats the thing that really burns me is I really was talking into it. I was at the dealer getting a oil change done, I saw the Stillen stuff everywhere and asked about it. I was also telling him( Chris - Service Manager) about the 281S- Saleen I was looking at plus the possiablity of my using the $9600 for down payment on a SS Camaro or a 5.0. He told me if I went SC on the G and I bought it from them( Stillen Auth dealer) it would not effect my warranty as it would be a Dealer installed accessory, and I would have the same power level and have AWD. I said sure check into it and let me know. He called me back the next day with all the prices and said " Nope , This WILL not effect the factor warranty in anyway". We all know about that and I told him as long as its in writing I will do it. He did I have an issue and not the signed paper work means nothing? :icon14:

superchargedg 11-10-2012 08:59 AM

Looks like it is time to get a lawyer involved.

ANMVQ 11-10-2012 11:27 AM

Yup been talking to one. :)

show2nite 11-10-2012 12:34 PM

Purchase a GTM Kit next time around.

98intrigue 11-10-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by show2nite (Post 2009412)
Purchase a GTM Kit next time around.

:gtfo2::nutswinger:

SS_Firehawk 11-10-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by show2nite (Post 2009412)
Purchase a GTM Kit next time around.

I would advise you research this forum member and his personal views on GTM before commenting on a subject that has no benefit to the OP or people reading this thread. People have their preferences and reasons for going with a particular manufacturer. The OP hasn't even shared the direct cause of the issue. It could have happened with someone running the GTM kit as well. His motor failed, not his SC kit. Don't take this as me being an A-hole, just know that AMNVQ and GTM bump heads.

ANMVQ 11-10-2012 01:27 PM

Last two post. Enough said thanx guys. ;)

Boosted Performance 11-10-2012 01:56 PM

If you do get the dealer to rebuild the engine under warranty, I would look at forged internal parts, and buy them youselft if possible. This way you get a built block, and only have to pay for rods/pistons/studs/head gasket...and a couple of other things.

Just something to consider I guess (again if it comest to that)

GL with everything.

ANMVQ 11-10-2012 04:21 PM

The dealer won't do that, it was the first thing I thought about. I ask them if they would do that an theytold me no.

Jordo! 11-10-2012 11:34 PM

If you have a legitimate warranty claim that they won't honor, lawyer up and go get 'em!

If it's shaky ground, it might be easier to cut your losses and at least get the fresh motor. There's downtime to consider as well unless you have a second car.

ANMVQ 11-11-2012 09:53 AM

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I do have a legit one, Here is a copy of my paperwork from the dealer,

heheilovepie 11-11-2012 10:05 AM

"Unless abuse is the cause of breakdown".... wow huge gray area here...

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Nissan370 11-11-2012 11:10 AM

Man sorry to hear that problem after problem
Makes you want to just walk away and cut your losses

Hell when my motor popped on me I had just got layed off from me job 2 months earlier and had to kick out 8700 buck from my saving to get the motor fixed I was not happy

But 11 months later a better job and built motor I can final see a light at the end of the tunnel lol

ANMVQ 11-11-2012 11:13 AM

Not really, Would abuse mean beating on( Tracking the car) or not maintaning it, Oil changes and what not, None of those I did. Heck I didnt even drive it everyday.
But really since this was installed @10,055, Jan 1 2012, I have only driving it 7k miles in 10 months.

ANMVQ 11-11-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nissan370 (Post 2010426)
Man sorry to hear that problem after problem
Makes you want to just walk away and cut your losses

Hell when my motor popped on me I had just got layed off from me job 2 months earlier and had to kick out 8700 buck from my saving to get the motor fixed I was not happy

But 11 months later a better job and built motor I can final see a light at the end of the tunnel lol



I feel that, I was laid off 6 days before mine popped. Still trying to recover from it, an not happy looking at $8200 for a built motor

SS_Firehawk 11-11-2012 11:30 AM

I think by the end of this, it can only be better. It was good that it popped at the dealer and not on you. Regarding the SC kit, it can always be reinstalled on the new motor. It may cost more money again, but you have a fresh motor. If things go your way, the dealer may have to cover the costs of putting the SC back on considering it was something they sold and installed. I would have your Lawyer write them a kind letter to encourage them to do the right thing. You have the media as an outlet, and the court system.

Lug 11-11-2012 01:27 PM

At the very least pay a lawyer to send them a letter threatening a lawsuit.

SharpByCoop 11-11-2012 07:39 PM

Mike, without question, YOU didn't abuse or beat on the car...

However:

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1966613)
Car would go lean on the dyno,. Trying to tune it, I was told he would make as rich as he could and as soon as it went into boost , would go crazy lean. No matter what he does with the tune it just goes lean. At idle the car is super rich, It will throw a rich code, At WOT and boosting, it goes the other way 24/1 lean :icon14:

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1974034)
Quick update the Wally in the car was a GSS317 and the feed line was either the wrong kind of hose or installed wrong as it split at the hose clap and was bleeding pressure out. They are installing a DW300 and a new fuel line, We'll see, CROSSED FINGERSS big time,

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1974310)
So the lean issue is all set, But now will not make more than 3PSI at WOT, I'm going back to the stillen set upi amd messing with the cogs when I have the time, Just one issue after another, FN car

This thing was ridden HARD on the dyno searching for a lean problem. And the middle post there describes the fault: An incorrect fuel line.

From what my forensics tell me, the cause (lean) was the fuel line (Who installed that?) and the effect (detonation on the dyno) was the culprit.

End result: The lower end got corrupted on those lean dyno passes straightening out an existing problem.

I really wish you better. You've been through the ringer. However, if the dealer and Infiniti have been following this sequence, there IS cause for justifiable reluctance from the dealer to honor the 'warranty'. This project went away from the initial build.

Million dollar question: Who installed the fuel line incorrectly?

I'd be cranky too.

Coop


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