Pm'd man

I think you are setting the bar a little too low. lol If you are going to be in the mind set of "GTM can do it, so I can do it" go for the gold man! Here's the bar we've set...go for it! :)


Best of luck to you and may the best supercharger win. lol

Sam

lololol

i was just counting down the time till some one brought up GTM.. your products are good BUT YOUR STILL NOT CARB APPROVED...Plus I don't have to bribe the nearest auto shop pass inspection... just saying.. thats the only reason i didn't go for GTM...

SAM if you can sell me a CARB approved kit with those high numbers then you got yourself a deal..

Funny cause I was waiting for same also, But what dyno do they use? Dynojet? So my 412 would have been more like 450ish WHP and 330's WTRQ. :)


Also let say?? 1 psi will get you approx 6.8% extra hp over a naturally aspirated setup (again, theoretical).

330HP VQ ( 6.8 %) is 22.4*9 PSI =201.96 HP over stock- 531HP so 412-430 Dyno depending and some other Var's WHP. So adding 4 PSI( 13 PSI) to my set up should net me 621HP /20% drive loss Should be 497 WHP , (again, theoretical).

Please do not turn this thread into gtm vs stillen,

GTM and Stillen both have durable kits....

Even if our kit was CARB approved, I still would not be able to offer you what you are looking for. The minute you buy any CARB approved kit and you make any changes to it whatsoever (Custom tune, different pulley, etc.) that approval is void along with the warranty. In order for you to keep the CARB approved status and warranty, you cannot mod the kit. From your previous post in another thread, you are already talking about modding the kit so your point is moot.

I'm not really sure what the regulations are in New York, but if the regulations are like a lot of other states that only check the OBD II or even a sniffer test, then our kit will pass with flying colors. Even in California, they are talking about new regulations that will be testing cars through OBD II only and doing away with the sniffer test altogether.

The bottom line is that you can either buy a kit that makes 500whp out of the box, or buy a different kit that you have to mod further to maybe (and that's a big maybe) make 500whp.

Sam

I'm not following your ricer math, but I commend you for trying. :)

You definitely have an uphill battle, but if you don't try you'll never know and I'll give you credit for that.

My biggest concern will be how will you tune the car properly if you're never able to tell what kind of air intake temperature your engine is ingesting. You would be better off going back to the stock intake manifold and running a blow through MAF setup after an air to air intercooler. That way, you won't max out your MAF's and your ecu will know what the hell is going on. Even when Vortech designed their supercharger kit for the 350Z, they were smart enough back then to do it right and use a blow through MAF setup along with an air to air intercooler.

Sam

I have to agree with this.

It is hard to believe that Stillen didn't really learn much from the horrible F.I kit they have built for the 350z. Using a S/C that a 1.6L honda would run on a 3.5L V6 engine..:shakes head:

When I saw the 370z kit, I thought it was a good supercharger (head unit), but then they went ahead screwed up EVERYTHING else.

AGREED!!! Let's chill out and respect the guys build up.

No problem Sam, I knew you would get a kick out of that! LOL.

I upgraded the MAF's with the UPREV ones so I'm not worried about maxing them out. Al tho I do kinda agree with the moving the MAF's after, I was tossing this around( having pipes made for the Stillen intake) but decided for now to stay with the Stillen design.

The thing that is really hindering me is there is "NO ONE" around here that could make the pipes- Heck I had to send my intake to FL and S&R for them to trace it.. IF I had a local place that did the custom work , I would drop the car with them for one day or so to make the pipes and move the MAF's. But having to send things out to far away places is not comfortable for me. I have to call and fell like I'm bugging guys when the place is not local for me.

Agreed with Sam on this, Again the GTM kit or Stillen kit should pass the inspecting Sniffer test as long and as long as you have you cats you should be fine( ALL THO there was a goofy thread here that said it you have tune you would FAIL).. GTM's kits are proven OTB to make high 4'-500WHP, An again I almost went this way but the "Dealer offered my Factory warranty stay- if they installed it and I used Stillen's kit- The dealer is a Vendor for them). Yes I have this in Writing- But to stay on topic, GTM and Sam's kit's are proven 500WHP kits, Mine will be a UM lets see. But this something I did to be differnt and really wanted the Factory warranty,- Especially casue I have a 2011 and when this started it was under 9k miles.

But if I had the choice , I proably would have went GTM- But the had no X kit whem I went FI also.. :(

You did what you wanted and needed to do. You had your reasons. Nobody can fault you for that. Enough said. ;) I'm waiting to see how this turns out. Because I may follow the same route, or wait for the twin SC's from GTM.

ANMVQ. You can always buy a spare intake pipe from STILLEN and send off your old one. No down time there for sure.

ANMVQ I also am going along with this kit because my Nissan dealer told me that they would still grand warranty to my 2011 12,000 miles on my Z. So I guess it's still a win win.

I wanted to throw this out there if you need something from S&R I am in tampa and could always drop by for them to take measurements or the such. In fact I am leaving for overseas for a couple of weeks come the first part of Sept so if they needed it for a while they could use mine without downtime to me since I will be gone anyway.

Hey Kelly, THANX man really a lot. S&R ( Jose) has my intake now. I sent to them last week. But I may take you up on that, I was still tossing the idea around of moving the MAF's but wont know till after the 25th my retune date. Maybe between now and then if you really have time just swing through and have them measure and look at the the pipe after the SC to the intake I can talk to them over the phone and see if it something they can do for me.. PM me an I toss you my cell #. Thank a lot man!!!! :tiphat:

WEIBOY, Thanx man, the Stillen intake is at S&R now. Car was down for the SC issue , Was talking more going forward, But maybe with Kelly's GREAT offer I may avoid this.

:( Tuner will be a real time attach on the 25th( Just texted me) So the 27th now..

The wait should pay off. Lol

not sure what i want to do yet, going to a new tuner hills garage and see what they say. last i talked to them they had ideas about moding the pipe from the blower to the intake and moving the mafs there they said the cpu could read whats going on with the car better then mafs before the blower

since i have shelled out so much money on this car 9k for supercharger and install and 8.5k for the built motor i dont think i will be goin gtm or sts right now less i can get a good deal on selling the stillen kit

also i am not to happy with how hot the intake manifod is getting with the intercooler inside there, i cant see how the intake air is getting cooled be nice to have an ait sensor put in after the intercooler to see how hot that air is
more boost is just going to make it worse and the cpu will start to pull timing = less power

You will be in good hands @ Hills Garage I have heard nothing but good review's from Frank.

The kit does run hot and there is no way to know your IAT's unless you put a sensor like you had just mentioned after the intercooler. This is the reason I sold my kit and didn't use it on my built motor.

I agree will the maybe moving the MAFs( But we'll see- working on some things), Also I'm hope th Fron mount heat exhanger I bought will solve the heat issue.

I am going to wrap my intake pipe and then upgrade to the heat exchanger as well. I think the really good answer is to have some type of vented hood that can pull the hot air away from the engine. I have an extra hood that I am going to start cutting on to see what can be done to help correct that. Heat is the nature of the beast and trying to find a way to dissipate that heat is going to be the real answer to being supercharged or even turbo'd. Another quick fix is to add the redline waterweter to the stillen reservoir. this is shown to reduce temperature in the radiator so every little helps.

I was thinking off wrapping mine, Also, I did see the threads about added the Redline waterweter to the fluid also, Things I will address when I get it together, The vent hood will help a TON !1 My hood was helping the cause big time.

The intake deal feel apart, They actual cost me $170 cause I to buy another one from Stillen, Man they really screwed me up bad.. :(

? explain? did they destroy it?

I actually can not say, I have been told nothing, Just excuse after excuse, I went and bought another on fear they either ruined mine or just did not do it and I can not depend on them sending it back by Tuesday. Trust me I'm fighting with myself to make or not make a thread on what happend.

Thats sucks man, let the company try to make it right before doing that.
but what i did: found a welding/fab/machine shop ( good rep)
showed them what i want, they ditched the oem stillen pipe.
took 1&1/2 long pieces and tacked them together, i stoped by last night and it fit like a glove. the only thing the shop is kinda stumped on is the y bend where the single pipe comes out of the supercharger and convert into 2, do the pipes have to be the same length? should it be a perfect y shape?
or have the main pipe and have one branch off? will this affect air flow to the bank 1 throttle body?
and also how close should i have the MAFS to the throttle body, stock position?

So you did this, How is it??? Throttle better, Spool better, Talk to me, I just open the can about my issue cause they still havent called and feed up with chasing them.. Now I have to move on to someone else, Maybe you can PM the shop that did yours and they can do mine? :tup:

You guys will have to datalog each banks MAF voltage and they shouldn't be too far from one another.

Also If this works you guys should change out that diverter valve to a better one that can hold higher pressure than that Bosch

will the piping length affect my MAF's voltage? and yah i picked up 2 of them, 2 pipes 2 diverter? id assume, because where the old one was, there is now 2 pipes. im still trying to figure out where to put the MAF's. well im not but the shop wants to know where to weld on the square bung for the MAF's

I upgraded mine now also. Turbosmart BPV. I think its in my first post

the shop also said they could weld up a Y in 3/4 inch pipe and attach to the bottom of the main pipes and run only one diverter. 2 might be over kill? and there not cheap lol

Seems like a lot of work to get power out of the stillen kit
Are u still wondering why I returned it.?.

well hes already in the kit for 10,000$, why wouldnt u go the next step?
ditching the kit is asking to lose 4 g's.
the supercharger/parts are still good quality, the design is VERY poor.

^ he returned it only losing out on installation cost and 15% restocking fee!

I'm starting to think that Stillen is not for me just because of all the headaches that ate going around.

Yah, this kit is a head ache, I just bought some stuff today for cooling. Picked up a bosch ewp115 water pump - 115 litres pre minute! the stock is 15 litres per minute, bought a 26x9x4 heat exchanger, changing all the lines from 5/8" to 1-1/4".
im just looking for a good reservior now, need one almost double the size, in aluminuim.
any ideas where i can find one?

Funny man we are traveling the same path, I have the heat exchanger already, An looked for a upgraded reservoir also but NO ROOM, an not a fan on putting the battery in the trunk. I did a lot of reading on the SVT forums but not all those guy which to a bigger one so I'll stay with the Stillen one and add some Redline stuff.. I did also leave the lines at 5/8 too.

Sorry for the question but he WP is that the WP for the car or the SC fluid, I'm still under warranty.

The upgraded res,You will have to look at the mustang guys site, SVT, and Cobra sites( Vendors). I found a few

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