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ANMVQ 07-14-2012 12:12 PM

Well just got back from the dealer and the car is apart, Fuel pump was fine injectors are fine, MAF's are fine .NO CELs but the car is still making no boost and is SUPER lean,Tech said something like 149 ALFs?? should be 90-109. So Super Charger is off to Stillen on Monday, He also did tell me he say all the fluid in the engine bay.

Jon J 07-14-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1821326)
Well just got back from the dealer and the car is apart, Fuel pump was fine injectors are fine, MAF's are fine .NO CELs but the car is still making no boost and is SUPER lean,Tech said something like 149 ALFs?? should be 90-109. So Super Charger is off to Stillen on Monday, He also did tell me he say all the fluid in the engine bay.

Did your tech comment on how much fluid is still in the SC? Could he locate the source of the leak? And how long and how many miles has the SC been on your car?

This is all important information to arm yourself in case Stillen wants to give you a hard time. Frankly, if this failure was a bad seal or cracked body of the SC, I can not see how any augmentation of the boost could be the cause. Only poor quality of the component or some type of stress due to the installation must be the problem on a low time unit. IMHO

ANMVQ 07-14-2012 08:53 PM

The fluid was low, The SC has been on the car for about 5,000 miles.I just had it serviced as Stillen recomened at 2500, ( Was done in March). Couldnt see the leak because it was just wet everywhere, The car no long makes any boost and the car will not drive so kinda hard to test it.

ANMVQ 07-30-2012 01:24 PM

Ok so heres the story, The Milky white fluid I told everyone I saw is exactly what Stillen saw, But that means there was WATER in the the SC, FN really how I asked." The vent hole on top of the SC is open, Just a open hole , Not a pressure release or anything just frigging open hole. Some how I got water in it and I PAY!!! Has to be rebuilt, Not really sure how that would happen either way but it is just that Water in it not defective, I have to pay to rebuild it.. They are getting a price on the rebuild now from Vortech, Well see tho how they handle it

djtodd 07-30-2012 03:39 PM

wow. Lots of odd things being reported lately about the Stillen kit.

RE: that vent hole. Is that REALLY supposed to be open and exposed? Can you take a pic?

ANMVQ 07-30-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by djtodd (Post 1845609)
wow. Lots of odd things being reported lately about the Stillen kit.

RE: that vent hole. Is that REALLY supposed to be open and exposed? Can you take a pic?

I cant take a pic a car is 45 mins away at the dealer, But Stillen told me it's just a open hole, I'm to call them again at 5pm( 15 mins) and will double check, If thats the case I'm going to see why they wont warrenty it, I did not wash the engine nor did I go swimming in the car ,, LOL

weiboy718 07-30-2012 04:24 PM

Here's a pic of my old kit. Tell me where this vent is at.

http://i37.tinypic.com/k46xyb.jpg

I hope you're not talking about those 2 brass fittings that's on top of the blower because those are suppose to stay there and tightly screwed in

ANMVQ 07-30-2012 04:34 PM

Hey Webby thanx for the pic. The top left one has a hole in it to vent out fluid if the system gets to hot. Thing is its just that a hole nothing to plug it. its just open. an if you look the alen wrench hole water could puddle there BAD design.

weiboy718 07-30-2012 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1845703)
Hey Webby thanx for the pic. The top left one has a hole in it to vent out fluid if the system gets to hot. Thing is its just that a hole nothing to plug it. its just open. an if you look the alen wrench hole water could puddle there BAD design.

Noooooo! That's suppose to be the filler hole and the other side is the dip stick. Somebody F'ed up leaving that off! Fluids are not suppose to come out also.

tomnavone 07-30-2012 05:02 PM

Wow

djtodd 07-30-2012 05:03 PM

I had a feeling someone hadn't installed something properly lol

ANMVQ 07-30-2012 08:36 PM

WEIBOY you sure Stillen even told me this. There now way it was from the service at the dealer. I was like a month before all of this happened.

ANMVQ 07-30-2012 08:45 PM

I also did talk at length with them today about how this child happen kinda pushing for warranty as even vortech has never heard of This happening, like a one off? But if that's the case why not warranty it? We'll see what they say tomorrow.

weiboy718 07-30-2012 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1846006)
WEIBOY you sure Stillen even told me this. There now way it was from the service at the dealer. I was like a month before all of this happened.

Wait a min! Didn't you said there's a open hole on top of your blower? Use my pic as an example, was one of the brass allen fitting missing?

W.O.W. 370Z 07-30-2012 08:46 PM

Weiboy is correct.


http://blog.stillen.com/2010/08/stil...ance-detailed/


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W.O.W. 370Z 07-30-2012 08:48 PM

We need pics from the OP.



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Mr.Squeeze 07-31-2012 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1846025)
I also did talk at length with them today about how this child happen kinda pushing for warranty as even vortech has never heard of This happening, like a one off? But if that's the case why not warranty it? We'll see what they say tomorrow.

This is crazy water in the top of the blower from your hood.
The top of the blower should have two brass fittings like Weiboy showed.

If your going to pay for them to fix the blower I would just have them upgrade you to a T Trim or SI trim while there in there.

ANMVQ 07-31-2012 08:08 AM

WOW thanx man, I know that he is right but there is A pin whole there to vent , Stillen told me this I also remember when looking at the SC before it went to the dealer I could see a small pin on inside one of the allen holes( pretty sure the left one). They told me the hole is there to vent pressure incase of a over fill or the fluid heats up and boils.. There is another thread( Mine) on G37.com and one guy over their confirmed the hole, As his kit was overfilled from Stillen. But to get to MR.Sqeeze's reply yea from the hood, Either rain or when I washed the car..

I just read the onwers manual from from to back and back to front and did not see anything about I vent hole, or / warning about water or washing the engine bay.. You know like becareful there is hole on the SC and you could contaminat the SC with water if not careful or coverd while washing???

If I have to rebuild it I will go with the impeller, Becasue I will be sending it to 928, Vortech is 3 weeks behind, I will not wait that long when 928 is 5 days.

weiboy718 07-31-2012 08:19 AM

You're still avoiding my question from a couple post up.

Ah forget it! Non of my business's anyway.

Mr.Squeeze 07-31-2012 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1846609)
WOW thanx man, I know that he is right but there is A pin whole there to vent , Stillen told me this I also remember when looking at the SC before it went to the dealer I could see a small pin on inside one of the allen holes( pretty sure the left one). They told me the hole is there to vent pressure incase of a over fill or the fluid heats up and boils.. There is another thread( Mine) on G37.com and one guy over their confirmed the hole, As his kit was overfilled from Stillen. But to get to MR.Sqeeze's reply yea from the hood, Either rain or when I washed the car..

I just read the onwers manual from from to back and back to front and did not see anything about I vent hole, or / warning about water or washing the engine bay.. You know like becareful there is hole on the SC and you could contaminat the SC with water if not careful or coverd while washing???

If I have to rebuild it I will go with the impeller, Becasue I will be sending it to 928, Vortech is 3 weeks behind, I will not wait that long when 928 is 5 days.


Vortech is slow I had to deal with them Carl from 928 can do the same re-build with better bearings.

djtodd 07-31-2012 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 1846620)
You're still avoiding my question from a couple post up.

Ah forget it! Non of my business's anyway.

give up :p

ANMVQ 07-31-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 1846620)
You're still avoiding my question from a couple post up.

Ah forget it! Non of my business's anyway.

AH sorry man lots going on.. No both fittings are there and where tight, I guess the pin hole let water in some how? I have been on the phone with them today to see whats up, Still in the air if they will cover it. They wanted to just fill it with new fluid and send it back to me casue is sounds fine, But I will no longer have a warrenty on it becasue it had water in it once, If I want the warrenty I need to rebuild it?? But they where going to call Vortech again and talk to them and see.. Really the kit has like 5k miles and was on the car for 5-6 months?

ANMVQ 07-31-2012 05:06 PM

On.so.Stillen nor Vortech will warranty it. So I called 928 and spoke to Carl a good 30mins. he said he we more than happy to take my money but me told me in his professional option it shouldn't have to be rebuilt. we talked about how long we think water was in there and if there was any damage ,he didn't think so. he said let Stillen flush and refill it and drive it. I got so caught up on the water thing I forgot to ask why he thought it wouldn't have been building boost. I have to call him back tomorrow and ask. but really could this while thing been dirty MAC's. but there is no way for the fluid to get on them? Ahh damn can't believe I forgot to ask. UG

ANMVQ 08-01-2012 09:59 AM

So talked to Vortech and was told the same thing, I power washed the motor, Really cause you guys where there RIGHT,

Just sux casue IF I did this myself why the frig with I be trying to get it warrtied, YES I know there are a lot of dishonest people out there but at 40 and not being one of them It just sux to have them tell you , You are one,. :/

Nixlimited 08-01-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1848851)
So talked to Vortech and was told the same thing, I power washed the motor, Really cause you guys where there RIGHT,

Just sux casue IF I did this myself why the frig with I be trying to get it warrtied, YES I know there are a lot of dishonest people out there but at 40 and not being one of them It just sux to have them tell you , You are one,. :/

I believe by law they have to honor the warranty unless they can prove that you did something to void it. May want to consider a nice letter from an attorney friend along those lines. Unfortunately, companies often have to be bullied into doing the right thing. I don't know all the facts, but if things are as you say, then you shouldn't just give up.

djtodd 08-01-2012 10:54 AM

Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act

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The federal minimum standards for full warranties are waived if the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance.
Basically, they must prove you caused the damage, and it was not a product defect.

Now. If it was an INSTALLATION defect, that's a different story.

ANMVQ 08-01-2012 11:11 AM

Yea well see, Not really Stillens deal, I just spoke to Stillen again and they are going to see if they can work something out with Vortech, Stillen seems to be trying the best they can on this so we'll see. John at Stillen has been VERY helpful on this.

ANMVQ 08-01-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by djtodd (Post 1848937)
Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act



Basically, they must prove you caused the damage, and it was not a product defect.

Now. If it was an INSTALLATION defect, that's a different story.

They only thing Vortech can prove is there is water in it, They can not prove how or why. They can only specualte I power washed it, thats all they keep saying.. Which again I did not, I'm honestly not that dumb. LOL Would have covered it to protect the belt anyway. ?

djtodd 08-01-2012 11:22 AM

Agreed. But, speculation != proof. Hold them to the fire.

ANMVQ 08-01-2012 12:59 PM

I am,, LOL had a few phone calls this morning, Just waiting for a call back,

ANMVQ 08-02-2012 07:42 AM

Ok Stillen called Vortech and argueed for me and ,Then told me they where shipping it to Vortech this morning. So far so good now! :) We'll see, BTW does anyone know if Vortech makes a impeller up grade? I'm sure they do but did not see anything on their webpage?

superchargedg 08-02-2012 07:45 AM

Well at least that some good news for a change...good luck and hopefully the sc will be taken care of for you.

Mr.Squeeze 08-02-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1850555)
Ok Stillen called Vortech and argueed for me and ,Then told me they where shipping it to Vortech this morning. So far so good now! :) We'll see, BTW does anyone know if Vortech makes a impeller up grade? I'm sure they do but did not see anything on their webpage?


Yes Vortech does have a upgrade if you read post #57 I mentioned if Vortech had the blower to get a SI or T trim upgrade.

ANMVQ 08-02-2012 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 1850609)
Yes Vortech does have a upgrade if you read post #57 I mentioned if Vortech had the blower to get a SI or T trim upgrade.


Ok for one your the "MAN" for remebering what # post you talked about it. I did see that tho, But I just called Vortech and they said I had the SI ? And they do not make a upgraded impeller? Or the guy I talk to is a goof ball?

ANMVQ 08-02-2012 01:46 PM

Ok SC is at Vortech as I type,,

Side note no 928 Impeller for my I have A V3-SC, An Carl Said they do not make one for that model. Hope Vortech offers me the upgrade.

ZKraken22 08-02-2012 02:07 PM

So could you just switch to a V-3 SCi?

ANMVQ 08-02-2012 02:44 PM

Is that the upgrade from them. I'm not sure cause I can not find anything on line about it.. ??

Mr.Squeeze 08-02-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 1851198)
Is that the upgrade from them. I'm not sure cause I can not find anything on line about it.. ??

Just get the T Trim upgrade it flows very well moves 1200cfm if my memory is correct . They can do the upgrade just call and ask them . The Trim also flows better down low than SI sci and 928 .

Do not get.the sci if you really do have the si that's a down grade .

ZKraken22 08-03-2012 10:33 AM

yea idk the Parameters on whats better and why. the V-3 SCI was on the 350Z. And i personally loved the jet sound they give off. now i know im 23 so i like loud and attention. the stillen and gtm SC are to modest in sound. But any news yet my friend?

ANMVQ 08-03-2012 11:20 AM

Just looking for more power, With the cog pulley set up I'm looking at 2 PSI more 11-12 but also want something that will help with making that sooner, The 928 would make more PSI down low than the stock set up and more WHP, I saw some dynos of 25+ WHP just from their impeller,

I mean to be honest , Still trying to figure out why GTM can make 500WHP on 12 PSI and the Stillen possiably wont? Well see, I dont remember what Mr.Squezze saw for PSI but he was 465 WHP. REALLY 10 PSI, I see 9-10 now and only 412 WHP? Yea we know all dynos are different but not 50 WHP different.


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