For those of you with FI - Who's in the 10's

LafitteZ · 12-07-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

yes there is less immediate danger in a standing mile... but i think if anything, the standing mile requires more prep than a drag race. One small thing goes wrong you're crashing at 200mph. Although these street cars may have the power to go 200mph they weren't necessarily designed for it aerodynamically and one small gust of wind or a little bump and you're going to crash. theres lots of videos of people crashing at the standing mile... and their cars are always totally destroyed.

I dont think this is anyone talking **** about the Z... people (370z owners and non 370z owners) want to see some hard results, and dynosheet after dynosheet is just getting old. The moment someone criticizes or asks a question about the 370z's shortcomings people flip out. Bottom line is this thread is about why the FI z's arent running 10s, and the conclusion is people are scared they will break, or crash. Hey guess what... those 'garbage ass mustangs... they run 10's, 9's 8's 7's, 6's.

All these people you consider 'haters' are actually called 'car enthusiasts.' No one here is trash talking about the car, people are asking why 600rwhp cars aren't running 10's and there's always some excuse because fanboys can't see past a question or criticism and immediately go on the defensive and talk about 'haters.' I love the 370z, and i'd love to see it run 10's. am i hater because i think that a 600rwhp car should run a 10 in the 1/4 mile? i guess so.

the car is 3 years old... its about time.

Mustangs are also V8s. Thses cars shouldnt even be compared in a quarter mile. I dont see you even driving a TT 370z so I dont feel like you have any reason to be speaking. The mustang plateform is also just about 10 years old. the 370z is only 4 and the turbo for it is only what 1 and a half and it cost a hell of alot more to fix a z then a mustang and it cost a hell of alot more to mod then a Z. The 370z is a complete redesigning of every aspect. You cant even compare the 370 with a 350z because it is a completly different car. Then there is the torque aspect between a v8 and a v6 my car even at 542 horse power only yields like 450 torque. Torque is what gets you going which will make it more difficult to compete in a quarter mile race with a supercharged 5.0 with 550horse and 540 torque but I will put my pink slip on the line and tell you my tt 370 will out run it in a mile with the same horse power numbers. American cars are built primarily for the drag strip the 370 wasnt so its gonna take more time and effort to get it to perform in an area it wasnt completely built for. Funny you know who you are when I say "HATER"

LafitteZ · 12-07-2011, 03:36 PM

yea im done too peace fellas ill let yall know when i run in the 10s

Super Moderator II · 12-07-2011, 03:45 PM

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Jeffblue · 12-07-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ

Mustangs are also V8s. Thses cars shouldnt even be compared in a quarter mile. I dont see you even driving a TT 370z so I dont feel like you have any reason to be speaking. The mustang plateform is also just about 10 years old. the 370z is only 4 and the turbo for it is only what 1 and a half and it cost a hell of alot more to fix a z then a mustang and it cost a hell of alot more to mod then a Z. The 370z is a complete redesigning of every aspect. You cant even compare the 370 with a 350z because it is a completly different car. Then there is the torque aspect between a v8 and a v6 my car even at 542 horse power only yields like 450 torque. Torque is what gets you going which will make it more difficult to compete in a quarter mile race with a supercharged 5.0 with 550horse and 540 torque but I will put my pink slip on the line and tell you my tt 370 will out run it in a mile with the same horse power numbers. American cars are built primarily for the drag strip the 370 wasnt so its gonna take more time and effort to get it to perform in an area it wasnt completely built for. Funny you know who you are when I say "HATER"

if mustangs are pieces of crap why do they run better times? What i've noticed is if someone points out a flaw or something another car does better then all of a sudden all bets are off and it doesn't matter. 'i'd lose in the 1/4 but win in the mile.' no one does 1 mile races. so you change the criteria by which the cars are being compared in order to suit your car? I'm sure you'd be more than happy to talk about 1/4 mile times if we were talking about racing a TT 370z vs a stock acura TL.

Thanks for the lesson on torque. I'm well aware of the huge gap between torque/hp on the TT VQ37, which is part of the reason i chose not to tt my 370z, and bought a 300zx and built that up instead. For the record, the VQ engine has been around for a long time and the vq37 isn't some brand new, new fangled engine. its a bored/stroked vq35 with vvel.

i have no reason to be speaking? a question was asked, ' any FI's 370z's in the 10s? the answer is no. But nobody with a TT370z wants to actualy say 'no none of us are in the 10's so people like you come up with a treasure trove of excuses and 'will be soon' or 'would be if i had grip' etc etc. Why is it so hard to answer a question? is it embarrassing to have spent 15-20k modding a car to get it to 550+rhwp and still not be able to run a fast time? How about instead of making fun of cars that actually put down good times you get the car that you have, and claim will run 10's with the right setup, to actually do so. until then all those 'pieces of crap' cars or however you call them like subarus, mustangs, etc they all have 10 second cars and there isn't a 10 second 370z.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-07-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

if mustangs are pieces of crap why do they run better times? What i've noticed is if you point out a flaw or something another car does better then all of a sudden all bets are off and it doesn't matter. 'i'd lose in the 1/4 but win in the mile.' no one does 1 mile races. so you change the criteria by which the cars are being compared in order to suit your car? I'm sure you'd be more than happy to talk about 1/4 mile times if we were talking about racing a TT 370z vs a stock acura TL.

Thanks for the lesson on torque. I'm well aware of the huge gap between torque/hp on the TT VQ37, which is part of the reason i chose not to tt my 370z, and bought a 300zx and built that up instead. For the record, the VQ engine has been around for a long time and the vq37 isn't some brand new, new fangled engine. its a bored/stroked vq35 with vvel.

i have no reason to be speaking? a question was asked, ' any FI's 370z's in the 10s? the answer is no. But nobody with a TT370z wants to actualy say 'no none of us are in the 10's so people like you come up with a treasure trove of excuses and 'will be soon' or 'would be if i had grip' etc etc. Why is it so hard to answer a question? is it embarrassing to have spent 15-20k modding a car to get it to 550+rhwp and still not be able to run a fast time? How about instead of making fun of cars that actually put down good times you get the car that you have, and claim will run 10's with the right setup, to actually do so. until then all those 'pieces of crap' cars or however you call them like subarus, mustangs, etc they all have 10 second cars and there isn't a 10 second 370z.

SharpByCoop · 12-07-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ

I trapped 121 in low boost with like a 2.5 6ft cuz of wheel hop and spin. So I know if I had a Drag radial and high boost in I have a real shot at 10s.

My best run was a 2.0 60ft 122 trap and 12.01 on street tires. This trip was my first time at a real drag strip in this car.

I'm frustrated at your neophyte insistence that simple slicks and high(er?) boost will propel you into the tens. Ummmm....

I am always dissatisfied with anyone who claims they have a 11.xx / 10.xx / 9.xx car when they didn't produce the time card. SHOW ME THE MONEY. BIG difference between perceived capability and actual achievement. And the difference is in trial and error.

I don't see any haters in this thread. Just some knowledgeable car guys.

I'm really tempted to go back to Atco this Sunday to try to get that 11.6. Or bust. But, I'll nip away at it or not. That's how it's done. Consistent trials and small gains. I'm a realist.

It ain't tens but it's more satisfying than keyboard speculation.

Carry on.

Coop

Red__Zed · 12-07-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SharpByCoop

It ain't tens but it's more satisfying than keyboard speculation.

Carry on.

Coop

Jeffblue · 12-07-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SharpByCoop

I'm frustrated at your neophyte insistence that simple slicks and high(er?) boost will propel you into the tens. Ummmm....

i guess that makes you a hater too!

hater=car enthusiast (apparently)

so far the most solid results we've seen from the TT 370z are dyno sheets. That's about as exciting to look at as an excel spreadsheet of how much money you spent on mods.

If you want to roll around like you've got the fastest car on the block then show it. therse a big difference between saying your car is capable of 10's, and actually doing it. just because when you do a calculation and see that based on your power to weight ratio your car is a 10 second car, doesn't mean you could necessarily run anything better than a 12.

Saying 'my car could run a 10 if 'x,y,z' is a lot different than actually doing it. so don't say you've got a 10 second car. Say you've got 600whp all you want, but apparently in the real world it doesn't actually mean anything.

Red__Zed · 12-07-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ

Mustangs are also V8s. Thses cars shouldnt even be compared in a quarter mile.

why not? it is a pretty standard metric of performance.

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I dont see you even driving a TT 370z so I dont feel like you have any reason to be speaking. The mustang plateform is also just about 10 years old. the 370z is only 4 and the turbo for it is only what 1 and a half and it cost a hell of alot more to fix a z then a mustang and it cost a hell of alot more to mod then a Z. The 370z is a complete redesigning of every aspect. You cant even compare the 370 with a 350z because it is a completly different car.

most of us aren't driving TT Z's because we realized there are better options. I could have FI'd my Z for what it cost to get into a mustang. Jeff definitely could have TT'd his 370 for less than his 300zx build.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that the 370z is a "complete redesign." It arguably shares more similarities with the 350 than the 5.0 does with an 09 mustang.

The VQ37 block is old. VVEL is about the only new wrench in the gears on the car...beyond that, you are mostly running on 350 parts.

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Then there is the torque aspect between a v8 and a v6 my car even at 542 horse power only yields like 450 torque. Torque is what gets you going which will make it more difficult to compete in a quarter mile race with a supercharged 5.0 with 550horse and 540 torque but I will put my pink slip on the line and tell you my tt 370 will out run it in a mile with the same horse power numbers. American cars are built primarily for the drag strip the 370 wasnt so its gonna take more time and effort to get it to perform in an area it wasnt completely built for. Funny you know who you are when I say "HATER"

don't know why you feel the need to defend against "american cars," but no, the mustang is not "built for the drag strip." It handles the drag strip just fine, and also runs with an M3 around Laguna Seca (not exactly a power track). It is built to perform. Being built to handle 1.4x 60's is a testament to a solid build.

Too much Forza gets people all excited about top end numbers with little concern about how the power gets laid down. It is really sad to see no Z's at the track (drag or road course). It is a platform that I believe should have a lot of potential, but no one has really done anything impressive with (here's pulling for travis' build to lay down the law)

tranceformer · 12-07-2011, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpByCoop

I'm frustrated at your neophyte insistence that simple slicks and high(er?) boost will propel you into the tens. Ummmm....

I am always dissatisfied with anyone who claims they have a 11.xx / 10.xx / 9.xx car when they didn't produce the time card. SHOW ME THE MONEY. BIG difference between perceived capability and actual achievement. And the difference is in trial and error.

I don't see any haters in this thread. Just some knowledgeable car guys.

I'm really tempted to go back to Atco this Sunday to try to get that 11.6. Or bust. But, I'll nip away at it or not. That's how it's done. Consistent trials and small gains. I'm a realist.

It ain't tens but it's more satisfying than keyboard speculation.

Carry on.

Coop

aaaaaand that is why you have the top spot on the FI 1/4 mile list. You had the budget to build your car up and the diligence to track your car over and over until you get the result you want. Not many members here have both. I obviously do not have the budget for FI, otherwise I'd be trying my best to take you down!

I see a lot of other Z owners at the track that give up so quickly. It makes me a bit sad to see that. I can't stress it enough that it takes practice to get the results that everyone looks at on the top 1/4 times list. Example, I've got about 130 1/4 mile passes on my 370Z. I didn't start getting good at launching it until about the 50+ mark.

Not too long ago I was at the track and a fellow Z owner said "F*ck it, I'm gonna try to break an axle tonight". That guy brought home a 12.2 @ 111 timeslip. No ventured, nothing gained.

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

i guess that makes you a hater too!

hater=car enthusiast (apparently)

so far the most solid results we've seen from the TT 370z are dyno sheets. That's about as exciting to look at as an excel spreadsheet of how much money you spent on mods.

If you want to roll around like you've got the fastest car on the block then show it. therse a big difference between saying your car is capable of 10's, and actually doing it. just because when you do a calculation and see that based on your power to weight ratio your car is a 10 second car, doesn't mean you could necessarily run anything better than a 12.

Saying 'my car could run a 10 if 'x,y,z' is a lot different than actually doing it. so don't say you've got a 10 second car. Say you've got 600whp all you want, but apparently in the real world it doesn't actually mean anything.

You are absolutely right.

"10 second car, 13 second driver"

b1adesofcha0s · 12-07-2011, 07:09 PM

I've been trying all year to beat my very 1st run. No luck so far, but I'm still gonna try again once tracks open up in the spring

tranceformer · 12-07-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I've been trying all year to beat my very 1st run. No luck so far, but I'm still gonna try again once tracks open up in the spring

No worries, atleast you're trying.

If it makes you feel better, after 3 trips to the track I still haven't beat my time when I only had 2 mods (HFC's + JWT flywheel).

m4a1mustang · 12-07-2011, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpByCoop

I'm frustrated at your neophyte insistence that simple slicks and high(er?) boost will propel you into the tens. Ummmm....

I am always dissatisfied with anyone who claims they have a 11.xx / 10.xx / 9.xx car when they didn't produce the time card. SHOW ME THE MONEY. BIG difference between perceived capability and actual achievement. And the difference is in trial and error.

I don't see any haters in this thread. Just some knowledgeable car guys.

I'm really tempted to go back to Atco this Sunday to try to get that 11.6. Or bust. But, I'll nip away at it or not. That's how it's done. Consistent trials and small gains. I'm a realist.

It ain't tens but it's more satisfying than keyboard speculation.

Carry on.

Coop

Repped. Hats off to you, sir.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-07-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tranceformer

No worries, atleast you're trying.

If it makes you feel better, after 3 trips to the track I still haven't beat my time when I only had 2 mods (HFC's + JWT flywheel).

Getting tired of wasting all that money though. I'm finding autoX to be more fun, so I'd rather waste my money on that.................as soon as I finally beat my damn stock time

m4a1mustang · 12-07-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I've been trying all year to beat my very 1st run. No luck so far, but I'm still gonna try again once tracks open up in the spring

Now you know why I've been telling you all along to wait to go with me in the Spring.

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LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	yea im done too peace fellas ill let yall know when i run in the 10s