What makes GTM tt kit quiet? the low Boost?

That video is about what i want a turbo kit to sound like

Well Said!

Traction control could be counter productive but in most peoples cases this would be a better solution than slicks.... look at it this way. If your going to lose traction with a given set of tires and 550rwhp... you can save money instead of dropping serious cash all the time on tires why not just invest in a system that will allow you to get the most amount of HP to the ground while maintaining traction... so if your tires can only hold 375rwhp in first gear and 450 in second and the full 550 in third then its going to allow your car to make that power and not spin the wheels which = fastest acceleration given the traction limits of the car.

So in my eyes there are two options pay $$$ for slicks or pay a one time $2k for the racelogic traction control system you can run day in and day out and sell at anytime recouping some cost :tup:

Mike :tup:

But that doesn't change the fact that you'll be going way slower in the 1/4 than you would if you had slicks. :icon17:

we can argue thses points till we blue in the face. Put a tt 370 against any car of the same value and youll kick its *** in anything but the quarter mile. We all know the answers to all these questions its whos got the dough to fund these cars if they break. Traction control is a good mod for your average guy on street tires but going extreme quarter mile race cars have slicks and suspension. take cars right out off the showroom floor and the z wasnt meant for the quarter mile.

That's actually not true and it's totally beside the point. We're talking about maximizing 1/4 mile potential here, which naturally brings up the need for slicks.

all traction control does is launch to the limit of the tire and suspension choice which is limited without a slick. a slick you can rev it to redline just about and let off the clutch and you have full power till you hit the breaks at the end. traction control almost feels like blue balls you think your about to unleash the power and it just cuts you off like its a smelly bitch.

SLICKS - POWER - suspension bottom line

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I know what TC is, but that's quite the analogy.

youve never took off about to race someone and you forgot the traction control on. Man what a fuggin let down lol. My posts abouve wasnt for you. I was agreeing with u

ok a 370 plus a turbo= 40000 what car at 40000 can mess with it on a road course? or on the street?

please dont pull out some stupid subaru ******** with all kinds of **** done to it.

A 5.0 + a supercharger. :icon14:

Why can't we include a Subie... or an Evo for that matter?

I am pretty sure a turbo on the Z constitutes "all kind of **** done to it" so why can't the other cars have mods?

offhand
s2k turbo
sc'd 5.0
turbo fd
evo on high boost

/\ s2000...just sayin'...(w/a big a$$ snail attached of course).

ok thats cool. i take ***** on 5.0 mustangs with superchargers all day long. I run with lingenfelter supercharged z06s. mustangs dont have a chance. take the quarter mile out of the equation.

god damn you red, you beat me to it. :mad:

How many of yall drive a tt 370?

I think traction control is a cool addition but I dont think a 370 with a stock engine is outside the realm of natural traction. And I don't agree with all the slicks talk either... This is a mid 500s to the wheels car.. Ya a slick will get the most of anything but there are more than just the 2 options of 19-20 inch street performance tires or 15" drag slicks. It's really common now for high power RWD cars to roam the streets on R-compound radials and I don't think we need anything more than that, not on a stock boosted engine

All of the slick talk is about maximizing 1/4 potential. If you want to go as quick as you possible can go in the 1/4 in your high HP rwd car... you'll need some ET Streets.

thread is about going 10s....going to be pretty tough to do without slicks (would require a serious build)

Yes I agree if you want the most. I suppose I am stuck on keeping this all street car setup.

I don't think it would take a serious build. 335/35/18 drag radial should do it mid 500s at the wheels I expect

there's something to be said for that. I went 9s on street tires, but it took a trap of almost 170 to get there:roflpuke2:

With the 700hp s2000?

whether or not the Z is a drag car is irrelevant. High HP claims should always be backed up by 1/4 mile times. The road course is NOT the place to be showing off tons of horsepower, and thats where you can actually get away with having a less powerful car. For example, Mike (the powdercoated) runs around much more powerful, more expensive cars with his FBO 370z with a real road course setup.... and guess what i bet he'd lap any TT 370z with their street setups. 310whp and weight reduction with a proper track setup is better around a road course than 600whp on street tires and 20 wheels with stretched tires.... but thats besides the point... the overall impression i get from tt370z owners are that they are basically undriveable when you put your foot down... wheres the fun in that?

I could care less about how much hp you have if you can't put it down and you'd lose to a FWD turbo CRX with slicks on the front... because thats where the TT 370z's still are. honestly with how much the TT 370z's actually cost to build... whats set of axles cost on the scheme of things? if your car has 600whp, it should be running a good time and no one wants to hear that you are too scare to break it. If you are going to run around like your car is hot **** then prove it. no one cares how much horsepower you have to spin your tires.

I know GTM put a lot of R&D into bullits car... but with all the money that was spent on that car... why not actually spend some driving it and proving what it can do. i think a lot more people would be impressed by your car running a 9 or 10 1/4 mile than if you had 1500 hp. i doubt a set of axles or whatever could concievably break if you through some slicks on and tried to run a good time would even cost much in comparison to what the overall build cost.

it'd be cool to see some TT 370z's that weren't just dyno queens. that being said i wouldn't want to be the one who had to put my car on the line :p

i dont understand why there is such little date on these tt builds other that dyno numbers, it seems like there are only 3 or 4 guys who take them to the track, there is no reason why these cars arent in the 10's yet and there is no reason why nobody has done 60-130 numbers either. Expecially these shops why wouldnt they advertise and show what these cars can do other than dyno??

Who said my car was a dyno queen? we are building a widebody so I can run large enough tires to maintain traction and not run stupid camber...

For those saying that a TT370z is undrivable... I laugh at that cause when I was running the g37 at 600hp *cough* before the motor blew *cough* the car handled GREAT and was very controllable! Now my 370z I havent had much time behind the wheel yet with all the new power but I am pretty sure its going to be the same thing... in the 600 hp range = totally usable!

Now Hi HP TT cars vs. NA cars on the track is a completely different thing... You drive a hi hp car completely different than a low hp Z!!! i.e. In a hi hp car your going to murder the straight and have blistering corner entry speed at which point using a (dependent on turn type) wide tight wide line your going to brake at corner entry... coast throught the turn and hold on for dear God sake until the next turn as you approach it at light speed or plaid! lol

When comparing vehicle types or power levels you have to look at corner entry speed, mid corner speed and corner exit speed. Any competent racer will be able to maximize the power advantage and use that to overtake the lower hp vehicle!

TRUST ME! I got lapped by a 600hp Supra with a good setup on Little Tally in my 370z with track suspension! Ask anyone who tracks in the south and they will tell you Little Tally is known as a great equilizer cause its only 1.8miles long and the longest straight is about 1200ft max! There is nothing like pushing your Z to the limit to watch the other car just pull away hard out of the corners... Makes you want more POWA!

If someone has a Vbox I will do runs for you guys :tup:

I just dont like drag strips...

Chasing a dyno number is easy. Backing it up is hard.


Proving what your car can do requires beefing everything up to handle the power, and even then things break. It it expensive, and you don't always get what you want. Not everyone wants to see what can actually be done...because they may not like the results.

That's what I like. Passion in conversations. :D

Little can I add to this conversation other than these observatioins:

Most really fast and consistent drag cars run autos. I watched a sling of RWD street Corvettes, 5.0's, and a 2010 Camaro ALL run in the low eleven and high ten area most with autos this past weekend. All but one ran an auto.

The built auto spreads out the power spike so it doesn't break axles as much, and it doesn't lose traction as readily. Plus they are easier to drive.

(This was the motivating factor in my decision to get away from my 10 second STI (street tires/AWD but with stronger axles). I sucked. 50% of my runs had some shifting or traction malady. No, make that 75%. :mad: )

I'm not convinced you NEED axles to get into the tens, but it's good insurance. At present I'm simply trying to get into the mid elevens, and with 1.8 60" times, I am hardly at the breaking point of the driveline.

That traction control and it's suitability on the drag strip is all conjecture until someone actually posts a time card. To that end, If it DID work up to it's claim, it would maximize the available traction, but having slicks (even DR slicks like I have) would up that threshold.

Now that GTM is making a kit for the G37x, well then: Imagine a G37x Coupe with 18" DR's all around on AWD and a semi-built auto. That's the 10-sec chassis combo for this engine.

Ooopps, I'm in the 370Z forum. Sorry. :tiphat:

I grew up ONLY of drag racing, so I love this topic.

(To those who love that loud GTM vid of the sweeet 370z. That is exactly why I plumbed all my returns to recirculate. It's loud.)

Coop

AWD definitely adds to consisensy as does automatic... so the most consistent times will surely be held by AWD automatics.

I agree with some of your post but not all.

A TT 370z is not undriveable at all. Any amount of power the stock engine can handle is perfectly containable in terms of laying it to the pavement without a drag slick. Like I keep saying, its the same as any other car... you require a proper tire and alignment setup, but 550rwhp is just not an ungodly amount of power, its pretty low in the grand scheme of things and good tires and setup will easily hold it down.

The problem is the owners/drivers of Zs... not the car.

My 370z isnt even setup yet, it just isnt setup retarded either. The traction was good enough this year to hang with or beat any other car in the same power range, especially once rolling... because most other cars with this type of power arent setup any better.

Builds like bullets car will never see the drag strip, because it doesnt make sense. Cars like that are money pits with far too much invested to risk taking to the drag strip. If GTM or anybody else wants to prove how quick they can move a 370z down the drag strip they will put a built engine in an otherwise plain 370z that is completely replaceable if it ends up in the wall. Its just not worth taking a 100 grand 370z down the 1/4 when someone can make the same power with a $15 (20-25 retail i suppose) grand build and run it in a plain car with slicks or DRs and probably get better times.

Is that right? It didn't sounds like open dumps to me, and in any event, I heard a lot of turbo noise below the wastegate opening, which surprised me.

Exactly like I said before the car will do it its just whos gonna fork up the dough to beat the hell out of there expensive *** tt 370 that they prolly havent even had for barely a year. Iv seen good enough trap speeds its all in the grip. I trapped 121 in low boost with like a 2.5 6ft cuz of wheel hop and spin. So I know if I had a Drag radial and high boost in I have a real shot at 10s. Im scared to death to run a grippy tire considering I still owe 20 grand on the car and iv already boiled the oil in the rear end from trying to hot lap. My best run was a 2.0 60ft 122 trap and 12.01 on street tires. This trip was my first time at a real drag strip in this car.

Well it could also be camera placement...

Running a $100K+ car down the strip just isnt feasible for me. I dont mind running a Vbox down a runway or closed course.

i dont blame you.

You should investigate running your car at standing mile competitions... thats the choice of a lot of guys with high power street cars who do not want to configure the car for an all out launch off the line, and dont want to worry about hitting a wall, but still want to compete with their car.

its actually a really great venue for street cars, because there isnt a lot of difference in how you would setup the car for standing mile versus street driving and highway racing.

A couple guys have managed to go off the runaway and flip the car... but its not common.

Yea man Thats what i want to do. Theres just no where to do it around here in louisiana. Really and truly in my opinion the faster car is the one who wins in a long run because it is truly faster. I run down my dads lingenfelter supercharged c6 z06 so I know the z would be a good contender in a standing mile in its class. As for the drag strip itll run 10s. Itll take more people in the drivers seat. The 370 is farelly new and the turbo kit is very new so itll happen in time.

They got some haters on here for sure. I dont get why some people get on a z site and completely talk down about the z and how every other car is so much better in every aspect but they still pay money to drive one. Go buy a subaru or a civic or a garbage *** mustang and be like everyone else. Or buy a z and like it for what it is and stop hating so badly on it. The z will do 10s fellas its coming.

impressive!

yes there is less immediate danger in a standing mile... but i think if anything, the standing mile requires more prep than a drag race. One small thing goes wrong you're crashing at 200mph. Although these street cars may have the power to go 200mph they weren't necessarily designed for it aerodynamically and one small gust of wind or a little bump and you're going to crash. theres lots of videos of people crashing at the standing mile... and their cars are always totally destroyed.

I dont think this is anyone talking **** about the Z... people (370z owners and non 370z owners) want to see some hard results, and dynosheet after dynosheet is just getting old. The moment someone criticizes or asks a question about the 370z's shortcomings people flip out. Bottom line is this thread is about why the FI z's arent running 10s, and the conclusion is people are scared they will break, or crash. Hey guess what... those 'garbage ass mustangs... they run 10's, 9's 8's 7's, 6's.

All these people you consider 'haters' are actually called 'car enthusiasts.' No one here is trash talking about the car, people are asking why 600rwhp cars aren't running 10's and there's always some excuse because fanboys can't see past a question or criticism and immediately go on the defensive and talk about 'haters.' I love the 370z, and i'd love to see it run 10's. am i hater because i think that a 600rwhp car should run a 10 in the 1/4 mile? i guess so.

the car is 3 years old... its about time.