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B.A.Q 12-05-2011 07:26 PM

wow 1200hp

It must not break because I'm not gonna have mercy on an axle that has a year warranty if I bought it haha

Red__Zed 12-05-2011 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1437213)
My take on it was that they should be able to if you drive/launch proper. You think people should upgrade them first. Not a bad idea. It doesnt conflict with my opinion. I just think the stockers could pull it off.

Personally I will just replace one if it breaks. Its unlikely that breaking an axle is going to damage any other part on the car, so thats a $2000+ upgrade that I do not mind waiting to spend until it is a problem. But I am not trying to stop anyone from upgrading them first if they feel it is unacceptable to run the risk.

not saying anybody needs to (or even should) do anything. I'm just saying the mentality that you can throw on slicks and throw down 10s consistently is probably not entirely accurate

Red__Zed 12-05-2011 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by B.A.Q (Post 1437235)
wow 1200hp

It must not break because I'm not gonna have mercy on an axle that has a year warranty if I bought it haha


it holds up pretty well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyGwn_UHdac

superchargedg 12-05-2011 07:59 PM

My buddy Alberto's 350 ran an 11.1 even when lifting twice going down the track and then got bounced cause he had no rollbar.

Red__Zed 12-05-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by superchargedg (Post 1437265)
My buddy Alberto's 350 ran an 11.1 even when lifting twice going down the track and then got bounced cause he had no rollbar.

did he ever get into the 10s? I know his 11.190 (which is not the same as 11.1) was way back in 2007

LafitteZ 12-05-2011 09:21 PM

I cant get the power to the ground for nothing in my tt. the best iv ran was a 12.01 on low boost 450 whp at 122 mph. Kuhmo tires. Im confident on slicks in high boost ill get in the 10s if I dont break anything.

m4a1mustang 12-05-2011 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ (Post 1437381)
I cant get the power to the ground for nothing in my tt. the best iv ran was a 12.01 on low boost 450 whp at 122 mph. Kuhmo tires. Im confident on slicks in high boost ill get in the 10s if I dont break anything.

Well go out and do it! ;)

superchargedg 12-06-2011 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1437306)
did he ever get into the 10s? I know his 11.190 (which is not the same as 11.1) was way back in 2007

Na as he hasent really driven it much since then.He thought he had a rod knock shortly after that and just gave up on the car....but it actually was a timing chain tensioner that had given up.

Jeffblue 12-06-2011 11:43 AM

TT 370z's just have too much horsepower for the RWD platform. clearly there are no RWD Cars that are capable of running better than an 11 second 1/4 mile. nor is it possible to put down over 500whp on a RWD car. :rolleyes:

B.A.Q 12-06-2011 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1438102)
TT 370z's just have too much horsepower for the RWD platform. clearly there are no RWD Cars that are capable of running better than an 11 second 1/4 mile. nor is it possible to put down over 500whp on a RWD car. :rolleyes:

I think you missed a few posts :hello:

Jeffblue 12-06-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by B.A.Q (Post 1438134)
I think you missed a few posts :hello:

no i'm very aware of what has been said in this thread:tup: not having traction and shattering axles=bragging rights.:rolleyes:

LafitteZ 12-06-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1438151)
no i'm very aware of what has been said in this thread:tup: not having traction and shattering axles=bragging rights.:rolleyes:

My car puts down 542 whp! Nobody has pushed the 370 far enough to see its breaking point so you really cant judge the 370 just yet. Its too friggin expensive to break in my opinion. It will come tho. Im sure most of us after blowing 15 grand on turbo setups the last thing we want is a broken car. This is my opinion of course.

Jeffblue 12-06-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ (Post 1438192)
My car puts down 542 whp! Nobody has pushed the 370 far enough to see its breaking point so you really cant judge the 370 just yet. Its too friggin expensive to break in my opinion. It will come tho. Im sure most of us after blowing 15 grand on turbo setups the last thing we want is a broken car. This is my opinion of course.

i hear you there. as soon as you build up a car everyone else (who has no financial stake in your car) wants you to track it. :p track=where things break.

bullitt5897 12-06-2011 01:54 PM

Instead of worrying about going to slicks why not invest in the GTM traction control system which has proven to work?!?!

Here is a video of a 40th making 550rwhp with traction control. The racelogic system allows the user to use launch mode or select the amount of wheel spin they want to allow. The system cuts both ignition and timing to allow for the most power to reach the ground while maintaining traction... just a thought...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3B55ogIMWU

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 01:56 PM

Because slicks = even more traction.

b1adesofcha0s 12-06-2011 01:58 PM

Slicks + traction control = brainsplode

bullitt5897 12-06-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1438375)
Because slicks = even more traction.

Slicks also mean more stress on supporting components... which equals faster failures...

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 01:59 PM

Traction control won't let you do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KewXgos-Mgs

;)

C'mon, lets get some wheelie bars on a 370Z!!!

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1438387)
Slicks also mean more stress on supporting components... which equals faster failures...

Then you buy more supporting components...

Red__Zed 12-06-2011 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1438389)
Then you buy more supporting components...

Then you break more things...and break more supporting components

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1438410)
Then you break more things...and break more supporting components

You've got to pay to play.

Jeffblue 12-06-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1438388)
Traction control won't let you do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KewXgos-Mgs

;)

C'mon, lets get some wheelie bars on a 370Z!!!

wow how did that old piece of crap american car not grenade when it launched with slicks and lots of hp?

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1438387)
Slicks also mean more stress on supporting components... which equals faster failures...

so basically the 370z can't run a 10sec 1/4 mile because it will break if it has enough hp/grip to actually do so?

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1438444)
wow how did that old piece of crap american car not grenade when it launched with slicks and lots of hp?



so basically the 370z can't run a 10sec 1/4 mile because it will break if it has enough hp/grip to actually do so?

The 370z most definitely can do it. It's just that no one has really tried yet.

Red__Zed 12-06-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1438475)
The 370z most definitely can do it. It's just that no one has really tried yet.

Did the axles change between 350 and 370?


Berto had to go stage 5 to get to 11.2

Jeffblue 12-06-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1438481)
Did the axles change between 350 and 370?


Berto had to go stage 5 to get to 11.2

550 rwhp is pretty much the brink for where street tires will actually grip effectively, and even that is a stretch. so in order to put down any more power you need slicks or drag radials... but with slicks/drag radials, people grenade their axles. so basically a 1000hp 370z can barely run a better time than a 500whp z?
so that leaves you with the choice of going slow because of tire spin, going slow because your car is stock, or blowing up your axles.... sounds awesome.

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 02:41 PM

Or beefing up your rear end...

Jeffblue 12-06-2011 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1438508)
Or beefing up your rear end...

is there anything you dont have to replace in order to get the car to run a fast 1/4? might be simpler just to work backwards...

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 02:45 PM

What is your definition of fast?

All the FI guys that have run the 1/4 with the 370 so far have been doing it on street tires... we don't even know at what point stuff will break yet with slicks... but I reckon you could get at least one 10.xx pass out of the stuff.

Red__Zed 12-06-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1438505)
.

so that leaves you with the choice of going slow because of tire spin, going slow because your car is stock, or blowing up your axles.... sounds awesome.


Sounds like the standard set of choices for almost every car in the price range

Red__Zed 12-06-2011 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1438508)
Or beefing up your rear end...

The diff should be fine. It's a somewhat weaker z32na diff.

I had no problems with the z32na at ungodly power levels, I imagine it can hold up to the power in most z's.

The axles are weak though.

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 02:49 PM

I meant the collective rear end.

Kirkster 12-06-2011 02:57 PM

The axles are a relatively easy fix. but then the problem becomes the CV joints and I don't think there has been a stage 5 CV joint.

bullitt5897 12-06-2011 04:02 PM

Mine put down 990 to the wheels repeatedly at 28psi so I would say yes the axles are a bit stronger ;) But I also have the traction control system...

Red__Zed 12-06-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1438627)
Mine put down 990 to the wheels repeatedly at 28psi so I would say yes the axles are a bit stronger ;) But I also have the traction control system...

Not launching on slicks

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1438627)
Mine put down 990 to the wheels repeatedly at 28psi so I would say yes the axles are a bit stronger ;) But I also have the traction control system...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1438631)
Not launching on slicks

This.

Putting down 990 to the wheels doesn't say anything at all... shocking the hell out of the axles with a 990whp launch on slicks... that says something.

phunk 12-06-2011 07:02 PM

traction control is counter productive. we are talking about trying to get the car down the track as quickly as possible. cutting ignition and fuel to reduce HP is not the answer.

traction control is not going to save the axles from the shock of a launch either. you have to release the clutch before the tires can spin, if the axles break than traction control would have never had a chance to engage.

anyone with a powerful RWD car has to make changes to accomodate the power if they would like to use it all in the lower gears. the Z car is no exception. guys running around slammed with goofy alignment on stretched tires over 19-20" wheels are not going to be the guys getting down the track quickly. ironically, this is mostly the same drivers complaining about traction with their FI car or saying the power isnt useable in this car.

Nixlimited 12-06-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1438366)
Here is a video of a 40th making 550rwhp with traction control. The racelogic system allows the user to use launch mode or select the amount of wheel spin they want to allow. The system cuts both ignition and timing to allow for the most power to reach the ground while maintaining traction... just a thought...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3B55ogIMWU

Hmmm, watched that video and could hear lots of turbo noise. However, when I test drove a stg 2 TT at GTM, I couldn't hear the turbos at all. Wonder what the difference was.

m4a1mustang 12-06-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1438852)
traction control is counter productive. we are talking about trying to get the car down the track as quickly as possible. cutting ignition and fuel to reduce HP is not the answer.

traction control is not going to save the axles from the shock of a launch either. you have to release the clutch before the tires can spin, if the axles break than traction control would have never had a chance to engage.

anyone with a powerful RWD car has to make changes to accomodate the power if they would like to use it all in the lower gears. the Z car is no exception. guys running around slammed with goofy alignment on stretched tires over 19-20" wheels are not going to be the guys getting down the track quickly. ironically, this is mostly the same drivers complaining about traction with their FI car or saying the power isnt useable in this car.

Well said. :tup:

b1adesofcha0s 12-06-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1438627)
Mine put down 990 to the wheels repeatedly at 28psi so I would say yes the axles are a bit stronger ;) But I also have the traction control system...

Step 1: Put slicks on the White Dragon
Step 2: Run it at the drag strip.
Step 3: Post results.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit.

bullitt5897 12-06-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 1438857)
Hmmm, watched that video and could hear lots of turbo noise. However, when I test drove a stg 2 TT at GTM, I couldn't hear the turbos at all. Wonder what the difference was.

Open dumps :stirthepot:


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