Turbo 370z Supercar?

Vinny · 07-05-2011, 01:37 PM

Say what you will, but classification as "supercar" or "race car" at the end of the day is just classification. With enough money invested, you CAN outperform and outhandle a so-called supercar. I would rather spend 100k on my Z and make it unique and mint, and still be able to outperform a good bunch of "supercars".
But this is all my opinion. It all depends on preference. If you want a Ferrari, don't buy a Z and build it to try and be on par with one, just save up and buy a Ferrari.

If you love your z, you can build it (if you're willing and able financially) to beat what you want it to beat.

In the end, when you talk about tuning cars, the Z or any other car for that matter is just a platform. What you do to it, what it ends up being capable of is entirely up to you.

Red__Zed · 07-05-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny

Say what you will, but classification as "supercar" or "race car" at the end of the day is just classification. With enough money invested, you CAN outperform and outhandle a so-called supercar. I would rather spend 100k on my Z and make it unique and mint, and still be able to outperform a good bunch of "supercars".
But this is all my opinion. It all depends on preference. If you want a Ferrari, don't buy a Z and build it to try and be on par with one, just save up and buy a Ferrari.

If you love your z, you can build it (if you're willing and able financially) to beat what you want it to beat.

In the end, when you talk about tuning cars, the Z or any other car for that matter is just a platform. What you do to it, what it ends up being capable of is entirely up to you.

What supercar are you going to outperform with 100k in your z?

Cmike2780 · 07-05-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

What supercar are you going to outperform with 100k in your z?

Surprisingly not that complex a formula. Less weight, better brakes, improved suspension, better tires, fine tuning and of course more power. A lot of the premium that goes into supercars is because of the pedigree. The fastest car at this years Goodwood Festival of Speed for example was a highly modified Toyota Celica. All things being equal though, I'd still take a slower Aston Martin over a wicked fast Celica any day.

Red__Zed · 07-05-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Surprisingly not that complex a formula. Less weight, better brakes, improved suspension, better tires, fine tuning and of course more power. A lot of the premium that goes into supercars is because of the pedigree. The fastest car at this years Goodwood Festival of Speed for example was a highly modified Toyota Celica. All things being equal though, I'd still take a slower Aston Martin over a wicked fast Celica any day.

Doesn't answer my question.

Cmike2780 · 07-05-2011, 02:28 PM

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Doesn't answer my question.

err...ok, what do you mean by "outperform" ? Around a track? in a straight line on a strip? @ picking up hookers?

A straight line win would be the easy part..

Just an example,how about a stock Ferrari 430? I mean if a race spec RX-8 can be built to compete & win against a race spec Ferrari F430 Challenge in the Rolex Sports Car Series along with a sorts of 911's, I don't see how $100k or more into a Z wouldn't make in competative. All theortical of course since the closest version is the GS class AM Performance 370z.

Red__Zed · 07-05-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

err...ok, what do you mean by "outperform" ? Around a track? in a straight line on a strip? @ picking up hookers?

A straight line win would be the easy part..

Just an example,how about a stock Ferrari 430? I mean if a race spec RX-8 can be built to compete & win against a race spec Ferrari F430 Challenge in the Rolex Sports Car Series along with a sorts of 911's, I don't see how $100k or more into a Z wouldn't make in competative. All theortical of course since the closest version is the GS class AM Performance 370z.

100k doesn't come close to race prep costs.

Beyond that, race prep takes away all the creature comforts and the ability to drive the car on the street... Half the point of a supercar.

Cmike2780 · 07-05-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

100k doesn't come close to race prep costs.

I honestly don't know what your trying to prove. Let's make it $300k then.

Vinny · 07-05-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Surprisingly not that complex a formula. Less weight, better brakes, improved suspension, better tires, fine tuning and of course more power. A lot of the premium that goes into supercars is because of the pedigree. The fastest car at this years Goodwood Festival of Speed for example was a highly modified Toyota Celica. All things being equal though, I'd still take a slower Aston Martin over a wicked fast Celica any day.

^^ this.
Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. With enough money, you can make almost any car do anything. You can be stubborn and say "no Z will ever beat any supercar", but the fact of the matter is that a civic is not in the same "classification" as a Z, but don't be surprised to see a modified one spanking you around a track. Same goes for a Z and an Aston Martin, or Ferrari, or whatever. You may never want to classify a Z as a supercar, but it CAN outperform supercars with enough investment.

There are almost not limitations in the tuner world these days. You can have a custom tranny made, swap a gtr engine forged with nice big turbos, suspension mods, stripped, nice big brakes, etc.. (you get the idea) What are you left with? A lighter, faster, smaller GTR.
What you need to understand is that cars are platforms these days.

Red__Zed · 07-05-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny

^^ this.
Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. With enough money, you can make almost any car do anything. You can be stubborn and say "no Z will ever beat any supercar", but the fact of the matter is that a civic is not in the same "classification" as a Z, but don't be surprised to see a modified one spanking you around a track. Same goes for a Z and an Aston Martin, or Ferrari, or whatever. You may never want to classify a Z as a supercar, but it CAN outperform supercars with enough investment.

There are almost not limitations in the tuner world these days. You can have a custom tranny made, swap a gtr engine forged with nice big turbos, suspension mods, stripped, nice big brakes, etc.. (you get the idea) What are you left with? A lighter, faster, smaller GTR.
What you need to understand is that cars are platforms these days.

Thanks for the lesson on modding cars. I had no idea it worked like that....

Problem is, we aren't in a video game, and we have to deal with platform limitations. Fact is, 100k doesn't get a z into territory where it is competitive with supercars... It barely allows for basic setup... Nothing leftover for researching new gemoetries or providing structural reinfOrcement.

Reality · 07-07-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Surprisingly not that complex a formula. Less weight, better brakes, improved suspension, better tires, fine tuning and of course more power. A lot of the premium that goes into supercars is because of the pedigree. The fastest car at this years Goodwood Festival of Speed for example was a highly modified Toyota Celica. All things being equal though, I'd still take a slower Aston Martin over a wicked fast Celica any day.

LoL! that corolla race motor probably had more than $100k invested into it.

Cmike2780 · 07-07-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Reality

LoL! that corolla Celica race motor probably had more than $100k invested into it.

lol, that's not my point.

Reality · 07-07-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

lol, that's not my point.

My bad.. I assumed you posted in rebutal to the $100k + z = supercar.

Vinny · 07-05-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

What supercar are you going to outperform with 100k in your z?

^^ This?

Red__Zed · 07-05-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny

^^ This?

100k is pushing it. Maybe you'll beat some outdated cars on that build, but nothing bleeding edge.

07-05-2011, 01:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Vinny Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Montreal, Qc Posts: 246 Drives: 09 Fairlady Z tt Rep Power: 16	Say what you will, but classification as "supercar" or "race car" at the end of the day is just classification. With enough money invested, you CAN outperform and outhandle a so-called supercar. I would rather spend 100k on my Z and make it unique and mint, and still be able to outperform a good bunch of "supercars". But this is all my opinion. It all depends on preference. If you want a Ferrari, don't buy a Z and build it to try and be on par with one, just save up and buy a Ferrari. If you love your z, you can build it (if you're willing and able financially) to beat what you want it to beat. In the end, when you talk about tuning cars, the Z or any other car for that matter is just a platform. What you do to it, what it ends up being capable of is entirely up to you. __________________ 540whp @ 10.5 psi

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