i think craftmanship come more into play with supercars...

look at cars made by Spyker....the new aileron is very similiar to the Z in performance, and without a doubt is considered a "supercar"

0-60 - 4.5
1/4 - 14.3
Weight - 3150 lbs
HP - 400
Price: $210,000

i think the build process and limited number of cars made is just as much what makes a supercar a supercar as is performance.

Oh geez, here we go again. You can throw all this useless information to try to hide the fact that your previous statement is incorrect, but it doesn't change the fact.

I will repeat myself AGAIN. "Supercar" is just a classification. My argument was NOT that it would be considered a supercar, but that it COULD beat supercars on a track.

Is that simple enough for you? Do I need to break it down even more?

Take a stock 3300lbs lamborghini Countach with 455bhp which obviously fits in your little "supercar" category, and put it on a track against a Z that has 300k invested in it.

Take a long moment and evaluate the outcome. And for god's sake be rational.

If you are unwilling to admit that a built Z can beat "supercars" of any kind around a track, then you are simple minded and this conversation is a complete waste of time.

Why not? I mean, can you honestly tell me an Ariel Atom is inferior in term of performance to a Ferrari or Aston bacause it has an engine pulled from a Civic. Different animal, I know, but its funny how people easily correlate a 4 cylinder Honda engine with being slow and utilitarian.

In hypothetical terms where money is no object, it pretty much is like modding in a video game. Supercars aren't as magical as you make it seem. They're just well developed machines designed for a specific task. Some designed better than others. I don't think anyone is doubting the details the goes into developing a supercar & speed alone isn't the only reason why people pay a premium. Its for this same reason you can't really call the LFA a success. It has all the makings of a supercar, but its still a Toyota no matter how you look at it.

Yes, the Z can reach supercar performance spec and you still end up with a Z, but so what. You can call it whatever you want, its going to be one bad *** ride.

It really comes down to driver skill. Even in my lightly modded Z on some days I'm faster than some GT3s and Ferraris in my run group. Also, I get similar lap times to when I was in my 650hp supercharged C6. Performance of the cars isn't different enough to overcome the different levels of driver skills.

Ah, the Straw man. Always a classic. :rolleyes:

Again, strawmanning, albeit less so.


There are certain platform limitations that come with each car. Sometimes it is a heavy structure, like in the case of the z. There's a reason there is so much carbon fiber in modern performance vehicles.

I dunno man. I'm pretty sure my 98 Maxima could beat any supercar you throw at it with $100k mods:rolleyes:

EDIT: Don't make me quote F&F lines.
http://images.paultan.org/images2/fast-and-furious.jpg

I drive a supercar.

You asked which supercar a built Z would beat around a track, did you not? You're making this discussion more complicated than it needs to be. Not all "supercars" are godly. There is no possible way that a built Z cannot compete (and defeat) a single supercar out there on a track.
I don't know how much more simply i can put it.

Please show me where I said that.


I've owned a car that would lap most supercars that came off a cheap platform. I'm pretty sure I know it can be done :facepalm:

^^ This?

Come back when if you ever do...

100k is pushing it. Maybe you'll beat some outdated cars on that build, but nothing bleeding edge.

Outdated supercars are not considered supercars anymore? Ah, well my apologies, I wasn't aware.
And BTW Econ, ROFL