When I think supercar, I think exotic exterior/interior...its not all about performance. Even if a Z can outperform a Ferrari, its not considered in the same class as a Ferrari.

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Surprisingly not that complex a formula. Less weight, better brakes, improved suspension, better tires, fine tuning and of course more power. A lot of the premium that goes into supercars is because of the pedigree. The fastest car at this years Goodwood Festival of Speed for example was a highly modified Toyota Celica. All things being equal though, I'd still take a slower Aston Martin over a wicked fast Celica any day.

Doesn't answer my question.

^^ this.
Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. With enough money, you can make almost any car do anything. You can be stubborn and say "no Z will ever beat any supercar", but the fact of the matter is that a civic is not in the same "classification" as a Z, but don't be surprised to see a modified one spanking you around a track. Same goes for a Z and an Aston Martin, or Ferrari, or whatever. You may never want to classify a Z as a supercar, but it CAN outperform supercars with enough investment.

There are almost not limitations in the tuner world these days. You can have a custom tranny made, swap a gtr engine forged with nice big turbos, suspension mods, stripped, nice big brakes, etc.. (you get the idea) What are you left with? A lighter, faster, smaller GTR.
What you need to understand is that cars are platforms these days.

err...ok, what do you mean by "outperform" ? Around a track? in a straight line on a strip? @ picking up hookers?

A straight line win would be the easy part..

Just an example,how about a stock Ferrari 430? I mean if a race spec RX-8 can be built to compete & win against a race spec Ferrari F430 Challenge in the Rolex Sports Car Series along with a sorts of 911's, I don't see how $100k or more into a Z wouldn't make in competative. All theortical of course since the closest version is the GS class AM Performance 370z.

Thanks for the lesson on modding cars. I had no idea it worked like that....


Problem is, we aren't in a video game, and we have to deal with platform limitations. Fact is, 100k doesn't get a z into territory where it is competitive with supercars... It barely allows for basic setup... Nothing leftover for researching new gemoetries or providing structural reinfOrcement.

100k doesn't come close to race prep costs.

Beyond that, race prep takes away all the creature comforts and the ability to drive the car on the street... Half the point of a supercar.

I honestly don't know what your trying to prove. Let's make it $300k then.

Ok. Still not streetlegal. Still has no interior. Still probably isn't on the the level of most supercars.

I don't know man... my 98 gsx would keep up with 360 modena's in a straight line all day long...
and I only spent around 12k for the car and upgrades...

in trying to turn the Z into a "supercar" you will need to completley swap out everthing that makes a Z a Z...

imo you no longer have a Z...you might as well have bought a ferrari and paid the $100k+ to mold the Z body parts onto the ferrari frame.

Straight line is nothing. I've had two cars that ran 9's. They weren't in supercar territory.

We're talking about street legal now? And interior? Geez, it's like arguing with a mule!
Put it this way: Mr. X is a billionaire. He catches a glimpse of a Z and falls in love with it. He sends it to shop Y, and says, I don't care how much it costs, make it faster around a track than a stock GTR. Or a ferrari F430. Or an aston martin.
You're gonna tell me that there is no possible way for this to be done?
I can't figure out if you're just trolling or actually this stubborn.. You asked what supercar the Z would beat around a track.. Now that you realize you were wrong, you say "Interior! Street legal!"
Please. Wake up.

You claim with $100k, your Z should be considered a supercar, since it is in supercar territory. I'm saying it won't be in supercar territory. It may be faster around track XYZ, but it is not supercar competitive.
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To be considered a supercar, most would say a car should:
-Look good
-Have overwhelming gobs of power
-Handle extremely well
-Maintain some semblance of drivability to keep the clientele happy
-be priced accordingly.
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A race spec Z misses out on point 4. Additionally, it fails the street legal test. If you don't care about street legality and want to go fast, a kit car might be the way to go...you could get something similar to an ariel atom fabbed up with a Z body kit for a lot less than full race prep.
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With modification to the Z, there are a ton of platform limitations you will run into. One is engine placement. No matter what you do, the Z's weight distribution is going to be mediocre. Start talking FI or a swap and you've got even more weight up front.
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Structurcal stiffness is another component. Just the man-hours to properly stitch weld...well, they won't be cheap.
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*And then there is the issue of the "fat pig" nature of the Z.... the construction really prevents it*from ever being light enough to be competitive. No matter how much crap you strip out, the car won't be much under 3100 lbs loaded.
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