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Mr.Squeeze 12-29-2010 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 870124)
Well n the end the Z06 is probably the fastest car I have rode in so it gives me a good comparison as to how fast the 370 SC might feel. So slower than a z06 but faster than a?

The reason I ask these questions is to compare my past "seat of the pants" feel to what a 370sc might feel like.

A SC 370z could be as fast as a z06 I really think that if you took a ride in both cars the Z06 would feel faster. The torque alone would make it feel faster than the 370z SC.

ImportConvert 12-29-2010 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 870198)
A SC 370z could be as fast as a z06 I really think that if you took a ride in both cars the Z06 would feel faster. The torque alone would make it feel faster than the 370z SC.

I looked at a few dynos and I am not so sure I am agreeing with this anymore. The 370Z with a TT kit (I know, this is about SC...) is pretty strong in the torque department, even down low. I was suprised.

1slow370 12-29-2010 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 869263)
This is not accurate. I would actually give the edge to the Z06 with a professional driver and the edge to a GTR with an amateur--Z06 is a handful.

And for what it is worth, a C6 Z06 will likely beat a 370Z SC or TT on a road course given equally talented drivers. Z06 is lighter, has superior torque curve, vastly superior brakes, better suspension geometry, way bigger tire patch, and let's not forgot--won't overheat after a few hot laps.

With all of that said, I learned a very important lesson at BMW track school when I got a ride with my instructor for a session with the top class people. The instructor had a 330i (sedan) with ONLY suspension and tires, and he was able to chase down and pass a 700 AWHP 911 (996) with full race suspension, tires, brakes, etc. Why? Because he was a vastly superior driver. It's a foolish man who thinks WHP and TQ are going to dictate which car will win at a track, other than maybe a drag-strip. If you want to go faster around a track, forget WHP and learn to drive a slow car fast, then translate that to a fast car.

But the stig ran almost a full 3 seconds faster than himself GTR>Z06 I'm not gonna mention that it was almost a second faster than a ZR1 because the track was damp. If you could afford a Z06 spring the 10 grand and get the GTR because the back seat is useful for hauling all that @$$ around in.

A fast Z06 1/4-10.981, a fast GTR 1/4-11.510, a fast GTR w/tune 1/4- 10.928. They have a GTR stock in a straight line but a $300 tuner throws that out the window. The Z06 does look like one angry car tho

Edit: whoever mentioned tires tho on the SC z was probably correct, a pair of DR could be the lynchpin

Z eliminator 12-29-2010 12:15 PM

RCZ nice shot of inside of your car. A friend of mine has a 2006 400hp corvette.
He is putting the 596 hp edelbrock SC on it, Its a tvs 2300. What a nice package.
The RWHP should be 485 to 495 @ 7 lbs . depending on the tune. Now get that SC ported and polished and take it up to 8.5 to 9 lbs it will make an easy 520 rwhp.
That car will easly kill my stage 2 GTM. Total cost just under $9000.00 installed

Z

destinyZ 12-29-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 870426)
But the stig ran almost a full 3 seconds faster than himself GTR>Z06 I'm not gonna mention that it was almost a second faster than a ZR1 because the track was damp. If you could afford a Z06 spring the 10 grand and get the GTR because the back seat is useful for hauling all that @$$ around in.

:tup:To the stig

Buddy Revell 12-29-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by efuseakay (Post 868291)
OP, honestly, that's the wrong way of looking at things no matter what car you have... No matter what you do yo it, there will always be someone faster.

Very true. But on the other hand, there are also a helluva lot of other cars on the road that would get straight up smoked by a supercharged Z.

Nixlimited 12-29-2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 869363)
I'll get a shot of my speedo going full out when I get my new wheels on so you can compare it to the z06...

Stiff competition though...

By my rough calc the Z06 did 25-125 in 10 seconds. Your 370Z did 55-110 in 7 seconds. Just shows that the Z06 is savagely fast.

Mr.Squeeze 12-29-2010 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 870418)
I looked at a few dynos and I am not so sure I am agreeing with this anymore. The 370Z with a TT kit (I know, this is about SC...) is pretty strong in the torque department, even down low. I was suprised.

Now your talking about a TT witch will alway make more torque than a supercharger.The 370z with a TT makes way more torque that a supercharger. Where talking about a 370z SC here,the torque of the Z06 will push you back in the seat and would make the Z06 feel faster than the SC 370z. The most torque I have seen out of a sc 370z if 350 ish with the GTM SC a Z06 has 400 plus. I have also seen Stock Z06 do mid 11's all day at the track a SC 370z would have a hard time doing that.

ImportConvert 12-30-2010 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 872017)
Now your talking about a TT witch will alway make more torque than a supercharger.The 370z with a TT makes way more torque that a supercharger. Where talking about a 370z SC here,the torque of the Z06 will push you back in the seat and would make the Z06 feel faster than the SC 370z. The most torque I have seen out of a sc 370z if 350 ish with the GTM SC a Z06 has 400 plus. I have also seen Stock Z06 do mid 11's all day at the track a SC 370z would have a hard time doing that.

I agree. SC 370 < Z06.

TT 370Z vs. Z06, I would like to see.

Mr.Squeeze 12-30-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 872031)
I agree. SC 370 < Z06.

TT 370Z vs. Z06, I would like to see.

Now your talking that would be a nice race.

1slow370 12-30-2010 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 872017)
Now your talking about a TT witch will alway make more torque than a supercharger.The 370z with a TT makes way more torque that a supercharger. Where talking about a 370z SC here,the torque of the Z06 will push you back in the seat and would make the Z06 feel faster than the SC 370z. The most torque I have seen out of a sc 370z if 350 ish with the GTM SC a Z06 has 400 plus. I have also seen Stock Z06 do mid 11's all day at the track a SC 370z would have a hard time doing that.

How do you know a sc z would have a hard time doing that? No one has actually gotten their @$$ to a strip yet that has one or at least they aren't telling.

also on the videos if you stop them both at 60mph and stop them both at 110mph they are within a second of each other.

I say the Z06 would win but it wouldn't necessarily "dominate" the z.

ImportConvert 12-30-2010 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 872314)
How do you know a sc z would have a hard time doing that? No one has actually gotten their @$$ to a strip yet that has one or at least they aren't telling.

also on the videos if you stop them both at 60mph and stop them both at 110mph they are within a second of each other.

I say the Z06 would win but it wouldn't necessarily "dominate" the z.

Yes they did, they ran 12.8@113 or something. It was the Stillen SC that was tested. The car stock trapped 104. It doesn't have the wheaties to take down a Z06.

Kastley85891 12-30-2010 07:49 AM

^ lol , like that , or the right SC ;-0

Z eliminator 12-30-2010 08:11 AM

The Stillen SC ran a 12.8? @ 113. My 370z 7 AT with bolt ons run 12.800 and traps at 112.7. Lets just say the guy driving the car could have done a better job of driving it.
Im hoping to go 11.7s with my GTM stage 2. The stock torque converter is killing my car and i now have a gtm 2900 to 3200 rpm stall converter. This should take me down to 12.6's with bolt ons. You guys should remember is easy to go fast on the street but its really hard to get a good time at the drag strip. It requires a lot of skill and you have to know your car and how it runs. I have run 13.35 one pass and a 12.80 the next pass.
If you run the 370z and do not let it cool down for an hour it will not run faster, it will go slower on the next pass. Heat just kills the 3.7 engine.
I feel that i would give a stock 400 hp 2006 corvette a good race at the track. It would be a drivers race. My 4.08 gear sets up makes a big difference.
You guys are going to have to wait till May 2011 to see what my GTM stage 2 will run at the 1/4 mile in.
Jnauts 370 z would eat the corvette at the track.
Z

Kastley85891 12-30-2010 08:14 AM

Like to see a vid of Jnauts - any in exsitance?

Z eliminator 12-30-2010 08:27 AM

There Vids of racing a 550 supercharged mustang.

Kastley85891 12-30-2010 08:40 AM

PM me a link would ya

Endgame 12-30-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 872357)
Yes they did, they ran 12.8@113 or something. It was the Stillen SC that was tested. The car stock trapped 104. It doesn't have the wheaties to take down a Z06.


Big time fail comment. As stated, there are NA 370z's doing that and better at the track. The Stillen 370z driver could not drive...

Z eliminator 12-30-2010 10:39 AM

Its in the Drag Section
under Z eliminators 1/4 mile runs
last date on post is 8-25-2010
posted on 8-14- 2010

i do not know how to post the link.
It was very hot and humid that night, my best pass was 13.02.

Z

ImportConvert 12-30-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 872363)
The Stillen SC ran a 12.8? @ 113. My 370z 7 AT with bolt ons run 12.800 and traps at 112.7. Lets just say the guy driving the car could have done a better job of driving it.
Im hoping to go 11.7s with my GTM stage 2. The stock torque converter is killing my car and i now have a gtm 2900 to 3200 rpm stall converter. This should take me down to 12.6's with bolt ons. You guys should remember is easy to go fast on the street but its really hard to get a good time at the drag strip. It requires a lot of skill and you have to know your car and how it runs. I have run 13.35 one pass and a 12.80 the next pass.
If you run the 370z and do not let it cool down for an hour it will not run faster, it will go slower on the next pass. Heat just kills the 3.7 engine.
I feel that i would give a stock 400 hp 2006 corvette a good race at the track. It would be a drivers race. My 4.08 gear sets up makes a big difference.
You guys are going to have to wait till May 2011 to see what my GTM stage 2 will run at the 1/4 mile in.
Jnauts 370 z would eat the corvette at the track.
Z

Well, he ran a mid 13@104 or something in stock form. You can't blame the trap speed on the driver by THAT much of a margin.

Endgame 12-30-2010 11:25 AM

Another Z ran a 12.3

ImportConvert 12-30-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 872597)
Another Z ran a 12.3

Trap speed?

destinyZ 12-30-2010 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 872597)
Another Z ran a 12.3

^^^true so I took the liberty of finding the thread:

http://www.the370z.com/track-autocro...eet-tires.html

And another:

http://www.the370z.com/track-autocro...ock-tires.html

Like I said before the SC 370 WILL be a force at the track WITH supporting mods:

1.5way, coilovers, drag radials, (forgot about 4.08's earlier)

I just dont prefer it since expansion is so limited.

RCZ 12-30-2010 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 872002)
By my rough calc the Z06 did 25-125 in 10 seconds. Your 370Z did 55-110 in 7 seconds. Just shows that the Z06 is savagely fast.

Well, I rolled into 60 and then hit it. You can start counting at 60 not at 55. Its hard to tell because the gearing on the z06 is plain ridiculous, so it is in its powerband in one gear till 90 (second) and then he shifts. I'm slower, but if you take into account 60-100, its not that far off. Like I said, I'm gonna try again soon...probably next week sometime.

serturbo 12-30-2010 05:15 PM

Just do a 60-130 and compare it to online numbers. This link shows a stock C6 ZO6 at 7.8 seconds.

Official Fastest cars of TeamSpeed - 1/4 mile, Mile, 60-130 & 0-186 (300k) - Teamspeed.com

Mr.Squeeze 12-30-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 872314)
How do you know a sc z would have a hard time doing that? No one has actually gotten their @$$ to a strip yet that has one or at least they aren't telling.

also on the videos if you stop them both at 60mph and stop them both at 110mph they are within a second of each other.

I say the Z06 would win but it wouldn't necessarily "dominate" the z.

I say this because of the dyno numbers that sc 370z are putting out.Rcz car is impressive but you can't just go by a speedo shot. I use to own a sc 350 and my numbers are higher than most of the sc 370z on a old car. You also have to take into account that a z06 traps over 120 all day long.

ImportConvert 01-19-2011 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 873455)
I say this because of the dyno numbers that sc 370z are putting out.Rcz car is impressive but you can't just go by a speedo shot. I use to own a sc 350 and my numbers are higher than most of the sc 370z on a old car. You also have to take into account that a z06 traps over 120 all day long.

The gearing of the Z06 also makes it killer on the top end. Holding 4th until around 160mph. The Z won't even do 160 in stock form.

Nixlimited 01-19-2011 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 901260)
The gearing of the Z06 also makes it killer on the top end. Holding 4th until around 160mph. The Z won't even do 160 in stock form.

Is that because it is software limited? I have a hard time believing with its power numbers that it can't beat 160. E46 M3s, which have similar power and are heavier, can go around 180 with software limitation removed.

Edit: yes, the 370Z is software limited...

theDreamer 01-19-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 901626)
Is that because it is software limited? I have a hard time believing with its power numbers that it can't beat 160. E46 M3s, which have similar power and are heavier, can go around 180 with software limitation removed.

At what distance?
I am sure with a mile long the Z can hit it (160ish).

ImportConvert 01-19-2011 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 901626)
Is that because it is software limited? I have a hard time believing with its power numbers that it can't beat 160. E46 M3s, which have similar power and are heavier, can go around 180 with software limitation removed.

Edit: yes, the 370Z is software limited...

The 370Z is limited to 155, IIRC, but the CD and the power of the car lead me to belive that it would top out at around 160-165 if it weren't. It has near identical CD to a C5 corvette, and just a touch less power. Those top out at 170mph

Gunzero 01-19-2011 11:09 PM

^the Z is drag limited. it doesn't have a governor.

LateralG'z 01-19-2011 11:18 PM

^^^ don't think so, I have put mine over 160 on the speedo but I would believe there is a some amount of speedo error past 140. Need a bike next to me next time. Mine hits 150 pretty easily now.

Gunzero 01-19-2011 11:26 PM

the fuel would cut off if it had a limiter right?

christian370z 01-20-2011 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunzero (Post 903427)
the fuel would cut off if it had a limiter right?

Yes, it would just cut which most who have gone those speeds report it does not.

ImportConvert 01-20-2011 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 903470)
Yes, it would just cut which most who have gone those speeds report it does not.

You are accelerating so slow at that speed that you wouldn't even feel the fuel-cut when it hit.

The car is governed to 157mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...61a7a3bb51.pdf

1slow370 01-20-2011 04:51 AM

true that i've gone 157-8 and i believe the car is actually limited with the vvel and electronic throttle bodies because it's pulling up to 157 then bam it just stops accelerating. Drive by wire and electronic driver assists have killed the fuel cut. also guys with FI that don't have limiter removed probably won't feel the "cut" either some one car to test this or chime in?

CrownR426 01-20-2011 05:13 AM

If you remove your governor chip, then you won't have a red line correct?

CrownR426 01-20-2011 05:14 AM

Stage II GTM SuperCharger ftmfw!
You'll definetly leave them feeling shitty once you smoke em.
lol
How did I lose to a V6?!
Got that whine yooooo!

ImportConvert 01-20-2011 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 903589)
Stage II GTM SuperCharger ftmfw!
You'll definetly leave them feeling shitty once you smoke em.
lol
How did I lose to a V6?!
Got that whine yooooo!

I just don't think a bolt-on SC 370Z is going to cut it with a Z06.

ImportConvert 01-20-2011 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 903587)
If you remove your governor chip, then you won't have a red line correct?

Yes, you will. The point is that the governor isn't holding the car back from redlining it much at all and is almost a moot point. Rev the engine too high and you will wish you left well-enough alone, lol.


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