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Zsteve 03-25-2010 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 463919)
I am a firm promoter of custom tuning. Each car is different and has its own set of quirks, therefore it should be tuned specifically for those differences. That is only true to a certain extent though because shelf-tunes (non-custom) have been getting better and better over time due to the adjustability of the software and increased consistency from one car to the next. You may be able to squeeze a few more horses out of the tune by going custom, but that will almost surely also mean that you are pushing the tune a bit more and making it less safe.

Stillen (or any tuner for that matter) can't have cars blowing up everywhere so I'm sure they are leaving a good margin of safety that they feel comfortable with. Specially with the tunes that are warrantied. People should not be worried about the safety of their engine unless they are modifying the kit or the tune or have a setup that is not suitable to running the SC.

Although I could very easily custom tune the car after I get the kit from Stillen, I am not going to do it. I think their tune is going to come at least 95% of the way there and that is acceptable to me when considering how much of a safety net I need in this climate.
:iagree:True that and if canned tunes werent any good, isnt that kinda what they do to the ECU to begin with? I mean they dont sit there an tune every car individually coming from the factory. But they should, damn them.

stormcrow 03-25-2010 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 463871)
Ive had canned tunes on my last 2 turbo cars with various mods and never had any problems with the engine or anything other than a blown diverter valve which when it blows you buy an aftermarket one thats meant to hold the boost anyway.
Please elaborate. Were these OEM turbo cars or OEM N/A cars with aftermarket turbo kits? Being that you mention diverter valves and replacing them with non-OEM, I am going to wager the former? If so, then this is an apples to oranges comparison.

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 463934)
:iagree:True that and if canned tunes werent any good, isnt that kinda what they do to the ECU to begin with? I mean they dont sit there an tune every car individually coming from the factory. But they should, damn them.
With that logic, you should go into tuning! :) You certainly understand it enough to make the pros jealous.

stormcrow 03-25-2010 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 463684)
If anyone actually thought that I meant you can install the supercharger and drive 100% safely for 500,000 miles I apologize. I guess I was too generic. Obviously there are other factors that come in to play that are out of our hands as well as out of the hands of the owner of the car.

If the supercharger is installed correctly and you always use 91 (or higher) octane fuel. And you do regular oil changes and maintenance. Then you will have a reliable vehicle. We have numerous customers with hundreds of thousands of miles on our previous supercharger systems who have never had any issues.
Saying your tune is 100% safe isn't generic...it's pretty darned specific. And, again, I say this is an outright untruth.

I am leaving this thread now. I am sure a lot of :nutswinger:s will be grateful. It seems that no matter the level of fact presented, most will always believe the hype that vendors toss at them. My parting advice is for everyone to research thoroughly your options or you will eventually regret going F/I.

blackflag 03-25-2010 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 463655)
Not true at all. Custom tunes, if done properly, are designed for the actual car and the actual conditions it is being run under. No canned tune, no matter how conservative, can come close to the safety factor of a solid custom tune. I don't know what tuners you use, but any that would put you on the ragged edge with a custom tune without being asked to do so is no tuner I want to have touch my car.
:bs:

de_dust 03-25-2010 06:24 PM
common... its a forum, give the guy a break...all he is trying to do is get answers for his questions (which are somewhat valid) and try to get his message across to not take in every word the mfg claims to be the truth and(or) final... especially for those hypebeasts who drool all over em (or whoever listens to the hyping of those hypebeasts)... although i agree with some of you that storm doesnt really know when to stop and even steeps lower when talking to a wall... anyways back on topic guys...

Kyle is there a way to extend ur intro pricing way past tax season? :tup:

Mike 03-25-2010 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 463655)
Not true at all. Custom tunes, if done properly, are designed for the actual car and the actual conditions it is being run under. No canned tune, no matter how conservative, can come close to the safety factor of a solid custom tune. I don't know what tuners you use, but any that would put you on the ragged edge with a custom tune without being asked to do so is no tuner I want to have touch my car.
by definition Jeremy, every car comes from the factory with a canned tune. It is safe, but leaves some on the table, which is why we do aftermarket tunes. There is no reason why a canned supercharger tune can't be just as safe, although it too will leave a little on the table.

stormcrow 03-25-2010 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 464303)
by definition Jeremy, every car comes from the factory with a canned tune. It is safe, but leaves some on the table, which is why we do aftermarket tunes. There is no reason why a canned supercharger tune can't be just as safe, although it too will leave a little on the table.
Mike, I understand what you are saying. But, as I stated above, when speaking of an OEM 'canned' tune on a production vehicle calibrated by the manufacturer, this is not an apples to oranges comparison to a canned tune for an aftermarket forced induction kit developed for an N/A motor. To make this even a remotely close comparison, aftermarket F/I application developers would have to put in the same amount of R&D in their calibrations that Nissan has put into creating the ECUs for our cars. And even if that were the case, which it is absolutely not, it would still be an unfair comparison as the car was released OEM normally aspirated.

And I think people are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that a canned tune is necessarily bad. I am saying that it is not as safe as a custom tune and that stating that a canned tune is 100% safe is an utter myth.

One other thing I have been contemplating. The safety and reliability of any tune depends on the competency and skill of the calibrator. Personally, I don't even know the name of the individual responsible for the tune going out with these kits. Who are they? What are their credentials? None of these questions are ever asked. No one ever asks this of GReddy or HKS or Vortech, etc., either. From experience, I think we should start asking simple questions such as these of all vendors.

lemansz20 03-25-2010 09:13 PM
Where are the videos, its been REALLY long, we NEED not want to hear the sounds and compare. The gtm was too quiet, I am hoping this sounds like I actually bought something for my car haha.

blackflag 03-25-2010 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 464332)
Mike, I understand what you are saying. But, as I stated above, when speaking of an OEM 'canned' tune on a production vehicle calibrated by the manufacturer, this is not an apples to oranges comparison to a canned tune for an aftermarket forced induction kit developed for an N/A motor. To make this even a remotely close comparison, aftermarket F/I application developers would have to put in the same amount of R&D in their calibrations that Nissan has put into creating the ECUs for our cars. And even if that were the case, which it is absolutely not, it would still be an unfair comparison as the car was released OEM normally aspirated.

And I think people are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that a canned tune is necessarily bad. I am saying that it is not as safe as a custom tune and that stating that a canned tune is 100% safe is an utter myth.

One other thing I have been contemplating. The safety and reliability of any tune depends on the competency and skill of the calibrator. Personally, I don't even know the name of the individual responsible for the tune going out with these kits. Who are they? What are their credentials? None of these questions are ever asked. No one ever asks this of GReddy or HKS or Vortech, etc., either. From experience, I think we should start asking simple questions such as these of all vendors.
There are calibrations done at the companies (OEM) and everything else (sketchy). That's just how it is.

lemansz20 03-26-2010 12:09 PM
Videoooossss!!!

OMG37 03-26-2010 12:38 PM
reading these last few posts just reminds me why I sometimes defer from even reading forums...too many a$$hats with too many opinions.

I'm sure Kyle and Josh love seeing your ignorance and childish crap posted in their thread...I know I certainly don't. It's annoying when I have to filter through your garbage to find something relavent to the reason why I subscribed to the thread.

Stick to topic...this post is about Stillen's SC.

lemansz20 03-26-2010 03:41 PM
V i d e o s

RCZ 03-26-2010 10:13 PM
As much as I want videos too, I think the most interesting thing we could hope for right now is.... "what numbers did the non-carb kits make?"

LaSeeno 03-26-2010 10:16 PM
FI is not rocket science fellas.

Buddy Revell 03-26-2010 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LaSeeno (Post 466463)
FI is not rocket science fellas.
It ain't easy, either. If it was, those cases of blown engines w/ FI kits for the 350Z/G35 would never have happened.


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