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Senna-F1 04-28-2019 02:10 PM

There’s nothing for me to believe or not believe, because he never answered my simple and honest question. I don’t know what his problem is. The part I didn't agree with is that cars with centrifugal superchargers don’t need 2 step or flat shift. And I didn’t even want to go there. Which is why I said that wasn’t important. Just wanted to know if the same applies to cars that don’t make boost like a turbos. Still no answer, so whatever. I’ll figure it out myself.

Elmo370z 04-28-2019 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Senna-F1 (Post 3847503)
There’s nothing for me to believe or not believe, because he never answered my simple and honest question. I don’t know what his problem is. The part I didn't agree with is that cars with centrifugal superchargers don’t need 2 step or flat shift. And I didn’t even want to go there. Which is why I said that wasn’t important. Just wanted to know if the same applies to cars that don’t make boost like a turbos. Still no answer, so whatever. I’ll figure it out myself.

It spikes cylinder pressure. It’s been noted and documented.

Spooler 04-28-2019 03:09 PM

Here are some other issues that would need to be address. It's on an RB26's but we have similar issues on the VQ37 oil pump that would need to be address. Scroll to about 8:30. Watch this channel. They have some great information to learn from. It can be applied to any engine build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu1fcdqeovE

Senna-F1 04-28-2019 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3847507)
It spikes cylinder pressure. It’s been noted and documented.

Ok. Good to know. But spooler specifically mentioned doing one or both would blow your head gasket.

“Bye-Bye headgasket on a boosted car.” Hence my question.

I think my non-boosted cars 2 step is set at about 2500, or something close to as low as it can go. With a centrifugal boost would be at 1 psi.

Is that going to blow a head gasket? I know I’m not the only person here who hasn’t heard of that, and would like to know if their Ecutek/Uprev tuned and boosted car is gonna let go because they used the 2-step their tuner gave them.

Spooler 04-28-2019 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Senna-F1 (Post 3847541)
Ok. Good to know. But spooler specifically mentioned doing one or both would blow your head gasket.

“Bye-Bye headgasket on a boosted car.” Hence my question.

I think my non-boosted cars 2 step is set at about 2500, or something close to as low as it can go. With a centrifugal boost would be at 1 psi.

Is that going to blow a head gasket? I know I’m not the only person here who hasn’t heard of that, and would like to know if their Ecutek/Uprev tuned and boosted car is gonna let go because they used the 2-step their tuner gave them.

I doubt it would be in your case. But if you push it too far or to long you could have an issue. In my case, I am not doing it. Why do something that is questionable. These motors are not cheap to build. As far as folks having it with a stock NA motor. RICER!!!!!!!! Do whatever you want. We have enough Cupcakez's and Shadows around here. We don't need anymore.

Elmo370z 04-28-2019 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Senna-F1 (Post 3847541)
Ok. Good to know. But spooler specifically mentioned doing one or both would blow your head gasket.

“Bye-Bye headgasket on a boosted car.” Hence my question.

I think my non-boosted cars 2 step is set at about 2500, or something close to as low as it can go. With a centrifugal boost would be at 1 psi.

Is that going to blow a head gasket? I know I’m not the only person here who hasn’t heard of that, and would like to know if their Ecutek/Uprev tuned and boosted car is gonna let go because they used the 2-step their tuner gave them.

It’s when it goes out, will it go out if you use one or ten times yes and no. Point is, it’s not a smart way of doing things. Your money do you want. 2 stepping NA is pointless, no data to support it helps, just learn how to launch the car. Contact real street they will have solution to get you to launch your car properly. You want to learn more start your own thread about it you will get a plethora of answers

Elmo370z 07-30-2019 07:35 PM

I have to upgrade my clutch. Wish I had know from the start I would of gotten a quad disk OSG. *#%*#*%%%*

Rusty 07-30-2019 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3870202)
I have to upgrade my clutch. Wish I had know from the start I would of gotten a quad disk OSG. *#%*#*%%%*

You mean a triple plate.

Elmo370z 07-30-2019 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3870206)
You mean a triple plate.

Quad disk. Cost the same as a ATS triple and about 2k less then a triple ATS carbon

Rusty 07-30-2019 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3870212)
Quad disk. Cost the same as a ATS triple and about 2k less then a triple ATS carbon

Just looked at them. About $2,500.

Streetz 07-30-2019 08:43 PM

OSG told me to not get the quad disk that it would break the trans. The triple is rated to 1600hp anyways. would never need more

Elmo370z 07-30-2019 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Streetz (Post 3870220)
OSG told me to not get the quad disk that it would break the trans. The triple is rated to 1600hp anyways. would never need more

What is the triple rates for torque? That’s my issue

Elmo370z 07-30-2019 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Streetz (Post 3870220)
OSG told me to not get the quad disk that it would break the trans. The triple is rated to 1600hp anyways. would never need more

Cjm only made 800whp and there triple OSG no good, plus rebuild is next to
Impossible

Spooler 07-30-2019 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3870202)
I have to upgrade my clutch. Wish I had know from the start I would of gotten a quad disk OSG. *#%*#*%%%*


This sounds too familiar. The life of "Oh Crap, I made a mistake. This is gonna cost me."

Spooler 07-30-2019 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3870223)
Cjm only made 800whp and there triple OSG no good, plus rebuild is next to
Impossible

That's his car, Streetz. That's Justin.

See: http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...g-build-4.html

Spooler 07-30-2019 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3870223)
Cjm only made 800whp and there triple OSG no good, plus rebuild is next to
Impossible

Thank goodness ATS hooked me up with little trouble. Did you check with Jon at MA-Motorsports on upgrading you current clutch to a triple?

Elmo370z 07-30-2019 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3870228)
Thank goodness ATS hooked me up with little trouble. Did you check with Jon at MA-Motorsports on upgrading you current clutch to a triple?

No I been talking to jon at corner 3 motorsports. The triple has a different casing he said. But I’ll talk to jon

Spooler 07-30-2019 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3870249)
No I been talking to jon at corner 3 motorsports. The triple has a different casing he said. But I’ll talk to jon

Jon@ma-motorsports.com will drop an email off to ATS. You can see what they say. I would think that it is very similar to mine. Surprise me if it wasn't.

Elmo370z 07-31-2019 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3870251)
Jon@ma-motorsports.com will drop an email off to ATS. You can see what they say. I would think that it is very similar to mine. Surprise me if it wasn't.

I’ll shoot him a email tonight

Elmo370z 08-31-2019 02:35 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Upgraded my hangers so I don’t have to deal with them breaking again

Elmo370z 10-17-2019 09:19 PM

Woohoo car and parts just got inventoriedz

Elmo370z 11-04-2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3834598)
How much boost you gonna push :confused:
List internal’s :yum:

Probably cap it between 18-21 depends how the turbo and and everything else is working. I’m be limited by the turbo and if I stay with a open deck or go closed deck. It will be rarely ran in anything but wastegate. I just want to be able to turn it up for 1/2 mile races, majority of this car will be on road courses and trying to compete in time attack events.

Elmo370z 11-04-2019 11:03 AM

Great news... motor has been pulled, and not the real wait begins with the machine shop.

Spooler 11-04-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3887288)
Great news... motor has been pulled, and not the real wait begins with the machine shop.

Yippie, The machine shop slows down in the winter. Maybe the wait won't be too long.

Elmo370z 11-04-2019 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3887292)
Yippie, The machine shop slows down in the winter. Maybe the wait won't be too long.

That would be nice, they will have it to the machine shop after they get back from sema.

Elmo370z 11-04-2019 04:55 PM

Can’t wait to get a call to spec out the motor

Rusty 11-04-2019 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3887349)
That would be nice, they will have it to the machine shop after they get back from sema.

SEMA slows everyone up who goes there.

Elmo370z 11-06-2019 11:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd-f...&feature=share

Anyone have any tuning info about this.

Hotrodz 11-06-2019 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3887350)
Can’t wait to get a call to spec out the motor

I am quickly come up on a year that I blew my motor. You are going to be done before me. I have not heard anything thing since July.

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Spooler 11-06-2019 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3887684)
I am quickly come up on a year that I blew my motor. You are going to be done before me. I have not heard anything thing since July.

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You are right around the corner. You will get there.

Elmo370z 11-06-2019 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3887684)
I am quickly come up on a year that I blew my motor. You are going to be done before me. I have not heard anything thing since July.

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I’m still a while away

Elmo370z 11-19-2019 03:38 PM

Maybe get rid Ecu tek forever....

Martijn_b 11-25-2019 12:34 PM

Why so?

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Elmo370z 11-25-2019 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Martijn_b (Post 3891093)
Why so?

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I want traction control

Martijn_b 11-25-2019 03:13 PM

And rolling antilag

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Rusty 11-25-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Martijn_b (Post 3891117)
And rolling antilag

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........................and he wants gummy bears for Christmas too.

Hotrodz 11-25-2019 05:11 PM

All I will say is there is another stand alone ECU other than Motec that will provide those parameters!

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Elmo370z 11-25-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Martijn_b (Post 3891117)
And rolling antilag

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No don’t need it. Turbos spool up quick and the motor is really efficient. I’m building a car to compete in gridlife and other time trial events. It will rArely ever see anything other then wastegate

Elmo370z 11-25-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3891133)
All I will say is there is another stand alone ECU other than Motec that will provide those parameters!

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YUp. We are discussing options.

redondoaveb 11-25-2019 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3891133)
All I will say is there is another stand alone ECU other than Motec that will provide those parameters!

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A true stand alone, not a piggyback?


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