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RCZ 03-11-2010 08:19 AM

^ You're gonna have to wait for the release like all of us. It should be coming soon.

CinZinnati 03-11-2010 08:43 AM

So, I have a couple simpler questions. Kyle seemed to suggest that if you haven't done anything to your car yet...don't. But for those of us who have, I'm curious as to why there would by any issue with for example HFC's. I understand the headers, but isn't a less restrictive exhaust good no matter what..or is just a tuning thing because they aren't testing the car with these particular types of setups? And for those of use who have the Gen 3 intakes, what's the best option since we gotta rip 'em out :confused:

G Fo12ce 03-11-2010 09:58 AM

If you go Supercharger, I think this is the best option for your intake:HERE

Zsteve 03-11-2010 10:24 AM

arent both systems developing thier own intake, to fit the SC system, Im sure piping is different now. And he said a CBE is fine.

RCZ 03-11-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CinZinnati (Post 439775)
So, I have a couple simpler questions. Kyle seemed to suggest that if you haven't done anything to your car yet...don't. But for those of us who have, I'm curious as to why there would by any issue with for example HFC's. I understand the headers, but isn't a less restrictive exhaust good no matter what..or is just a tuning thing because they aren't testing the car with these particular types of setups? And for those of use who have the Gen 3 intakes, what's the best option since we gotta rip 'em out :confused:

From what I remember Kyle was specifically talking about the headers. Everything else is fine...You will not be able to use your G3's, so you should maybe start selling them soon. Leave whatever exhaust you have on, that will be fine. The thing is that any time you free up the exhaust with headers, hfc's and whatever else, you will see small increments in peak boost. You should be fine either way...I wouldnt worry about it. Specially if you are not getting the CARB kit.

Silo 03-11-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 439954)
. The thing is that any time you free up the exhaust with headers, hfc's and whatever else, you will see small increments in peak boost.

That's the case with turbos, but not with superchargers. Superchargers make their peak boost at rpm redline. They are not "load" dependant like turbos nor will the reduced backpressure on the "exhaust side" change the pressure ratios since there simply is no exhaust housing on a supercharger. ;)

Kyle@STILLEN 03-11-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 439655)
I mean that it is maxed out in the sense that after purchase of said kit it is going to cost you like another 6grand to safely up the power. hell if you don't change your clutchand flywheel just buying one of those kits is already over the max the car will take. I like to work in terms of the package as a whole. I think 10 psi would be doable as a race tune but i shure as hell would pulley down to no more than 6-8 for regular use. 10 psi is def. meth injection territory to me. hell i'd think of putting meth on an n/a car just so i could run a nitro booster in it. i'd try to find the most oxygenated shyt i could find.

There will be room to gain more power with either kit I'm sure. GTM has already announced that they feel comfortable running more boost with their kit and just like our 350Z/G35 kit ours will be able to run more safely later on.

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Originally Posted by G35s-Q8 (Post 439670)
So, i have some questions here for Kyle&Josh@Stillen, are you going to send out the S/C kits with uni-chip or control box just like you did the the old 350z S/C?
Or are you planning to use Osiris UpRev reflash and tune?
Do you thing the UpRev is better than uni-chip for tuning?
And what made you go with that route for the tuning? (uni-chip vs uprev tuning).

This will be a part of the press release which will be coming soon. We used a piggy back system on our superchargers for the VQ35 and the VK56 (Titan, Armada) engines but it was not the Unichip offering.

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Originally Posted by CinZinnati (Post 439775)
So, I have a couple simpler questions. Kyle seemed to suggest that if you haven't done anything to your car yet...don't. But for those of us who have, I'm curious as to why there would by any issue with for example HFC's. I understand the headers, but isn't a less restrictive exhaust good no matter what..or is just a tuning thing because they aren't testing the car with these particular types of setups? And for those of use who have the Gen 3 intakes, what's the best option since we gotta rip 'em out :confused:

Sorry if I gave the impression that you shouldn't do anything to your car. You absolutely should prepare the car with a cat-back exhaust, clutch and flywheel, suspension, brakes, and more. I just don't recommend installing headers (shorty's or long tube's) until we have a chance to test it. We saw on the VQ35 supercharger that you could lose up to a pound of boost by installing headers. They did improve efficiency though so you would make more horsepower. It was a weird trade off but basically in the end you did not make any more power on the dyno. However, everyone who drove with that setup acknowledged that there was a definite improvement in throttle response.

Basically...We just don't recommend installing headers until we have the opportunity to test them for you.

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Originally Posted by Silo (Post 439962)
That's the case with turbos, but not with superchargers. Superchargers make their peak boost at rpm redline. They are not "load" dependant like turbos nor will the reduced backpressure on the "exhaust side" change the pressure ratios since there simply is no exhaust housing on a supercharger. ;)

You are correct. Superchargers continue building boost all the way to RPM redline. However, we have seen where installing headers can drop up to a pound of boost because of the reduction in back pressure.

Silo 03-11-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 439982)
You are correct. Superchargers continue building boost all the way to RPM redline. However, we have seen where installing headers can drop up to a pound of boost because of the reduction in back pressure.

Exactly... "drop"! RCZ was talking about increase. By the way, the boost drop on your 350Z s/c is is pretty much a screw-type blower issue only as it is an air pump rather than a compressor.

Kyle@STILLEN 03-11-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Silo (Post 440019)
Exactly... "drop"! RCZ was talking about increase. By the way, the boost drop on your 350Z s/c is is pretty much a screw-type blower issue only as it is an air pump rather than a compressor.

Exactly. We aren't expecting an issue with the Vortech unit but we also don't want to promise anything to anyone until we have the opportunity to test it. One thing we noticed was that the VK56 did not lose any boost with the long tube cat delete headers that we made but it did run a bit lean. The 350Z/G35 supercharger on the other hand did drop boost but the a/f ratio was fine.

Each engine reacts a little bit differently so we're just playin' it safe.

RCZ 03-11-2010 11:45 AM

Oops, thats right, was trying to help quick before I had to run out and was thinking turbo instead of sc. My bad.

shumby 03-11-2010 04:17 PM

only 3 days until the press release. Well until the sales men swing their words and say they did not say first of march.

RCZ 03-11-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shumby (Post 440566)
only 3 days until the press release. Well until the sales men swing their words and say they did not say first of march.

Lol you are funny man, you are so funny I am glad you're installing the GTM kit soon. You deserve it. Added to ignore.

LUVZTTZ 03-11-2010 04:25 PM

To his credit, Stillen did say late February/early March and joked about how March 14th is still early March. Looks like more of a reality now.
Oh well, I'm sure the wait will be worthwhile. I for one will be letting more of my warranty expire before I supercharge anyway.

What clutch/flywheel combo are peeps going with? Is the JWT set solid?

RCZ 03-11-2010 04:39 PM

^ I was wondering about that myself. I think the JWT should be fine. Seems to be the popular choice around here.

As far as the date, they are still on for early March. They will probably have something for us as soon as they have numbers from the kit on the z. They should be close considering they were swapping it over a few days ago.

Kyle@STILLEN 03-11-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shumby (Post 440566)
only 3 days until the press release. Well until the sales men swing their words and say they did not say first of march.

Perhaps you're mistaking us for someone else. I will acknowledge once again that we said early march...

I think everyone knows where you stand so the following is for the unbiased member's of the forum. We have fallen a little behind schedule as the switch to the Z took a little longer than expected. We didn't find any issues during the switch but the guy's took a little longer taking photos and making notes for the instructions than we expected. Everything is coming along well though and the Z is on the dyno! Steve was out this morning with the engineer's during the dyno session....They were finally able to get him to stop drifting the car in empty parking lots!

370Zsteve 03-11-2010 05:29 PM

You guys are ok by me. I'm in the camp that says 'release it when it's correct'. I have no doubt you got a little stung by the exhaust issue I read about back in '09, we all learn from our mistakes, at least those of us who haven't finished learning :icon17:.

Cut Shumby some slack, he's on an oil rig somewhere in Siberia, have some compassion.

biggersNISMO 03-11-2010 05:38 PM

Kyle, i want to apologize if this question has been answered already, but i really don't want to read through all the bickering in the past 10 pages of this thread...

Is the kit going to have a "locked engine management"?

Or will i be able to do my own tuning?

Thanks Kyle for your response :tiphat:

Kyle@STILLEN 03-11-2010 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by biggersNISMO (Post 440706)
Kyle, i want to apologize if this question has been answered already, but i really don't want to read through all the bickering in the past 10 pages of this thread...

Is the kit going to have a "locked engine management"?

Or will i be able to do my own tuning?

Thanks Kyle for your response :tiphat:

Good question and it depends on which kit you go with.

If you decide to purchase the CARB kit then yes, by law we have to ship the kit fully tuned with a locked tuning device.

However, we will also have the tuner kit which will allow you to do whatever you want with the tuning.

biggersNISMO 03-11-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 440719)
Good question and it depends on which kit you go with.

If you decide to purchase the CARB kit then yes, by law we have to ship the kit fully tuned with a locked tuning device.

However, we will also have the tuner kit which will allow you to do whatever you want with the tuning.

Thank you sir

jmlenz 03-11-2010 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVZTTZ (Post 440582)
What clutch/flywheel combo are peeps going with? Is the JWT set solid?

I too am wondering the same thing. What clutch/FW package is not going to make a ton of racket and vibration? I know most lightweight FWs have this side effect. Any one with experience of a setup that does not?

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 440661)
....They were finally able to get him to stop drifting the car in empty parking lots!

Kyle > subtle, yet still hilarious! Now release this beast already!

StillenZ 03-11-2010 06:24 PM

LOL... I think that was the best update I have heard as of yet... That was a good one... I'm chomping at the bit... and btw Kyle, I know I use lol a lot but you don't have to call me a 16 y/o girl... lol lol

RELEASE INFO NOW!

Kyle@STILLEN 03-11-2010 07:28 PM

Full release with pricing and horsepower information coming tomorrow!

G37Sam 03-11-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 440882)
Full release with pricing and horsepower information coming tomorrow!

Boost pressure too? :D

Kyle@STILLEN 03-11-2010 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam (Post 440914)
Boost pressure too? :D

Yup!

By the way...we did drop the boost down from that 422 HP run...But, we did make more power...I think you'll all be pretty happy!

Red370 03-11-2010 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 440965)
Yup!

By the way...we did drop the boost down from that 422 HP run...But, we did make more power...I think you'll all be pretty happy!

Say whaaa? dropped boost and made more power? this I gotta see, im pumped.

RCZ 03-11-2010 08:52 PM

Woot numbers tomorrow!

CinZinnati 03-11-2010 09:37 PM

Ah..this is indeed exciting.
Home equity = SC hehe
Seriously tho, how many will honestly be jumping on this right away? I would love updates if so. Unless they offer an intro price as kyle suggested, I will be looking at midsummer if all goes as planned.:happydance:

travisjb 03-11-2010 09:41 PM

RCZ waiting for tomorrow's Stillen release :tup:

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/...lockwork/7.jpg

Zsteve 03-11-2010 09:50 PM

How long will the intro prices last?

Kyle@STILLEN 03-11-2010 09:52 PM

Yup...more power with less boost...keep in mind that original dyno was done on the auto gearbox g37 with the big show wheels.

Red370 03-11-2010 09:53 PM

ok, so you guys are going to show the power w/ the different stages factored in right? to see whats able to be gained with each upgrade?

CinZinnati 03-12-2010 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 439982)
Sorry if I gave the impression that you shouldn't do anything to your car. You absolutely should prepare the car with a cat-back exhaust, clutch and flywheel, suspension, brakes, and more. I just don't recommend installing headers (shorty's or long tube's) until we have a chance to test it. We saw on the VQ35 supercharger that you could lose up to a pound of boost by installing headers. They did improve efficiency though so you would make more horsepower. It was a weird trade off but basically in the end you did not make any more power on the dyno. However, everyone who drove with that setup acknowledged that there was a definite improvement in throttle response.

Basically...We just don't recommend installing headers until we have the opportunity to test them for you.



You are correct. Superchargers continue building boost all the way to RPM redline. However, we have seen where installing headers can drop up to a pound of boost because of the reduction in back pressure.

No wrong impression given at all. It just seemed the talk of existing setups and this SC had gotten lost, and was just curious if I'm ok with the stillen CBE and HFC's. thanks for the info

shumby 03-12-2010 07:20 AM

waiting with baited breath to see the release today.

370Zsteve 03-12-2010 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 440882)
Full release with pricing and horsepower information coming tomorrow!

:excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:

MMC Racing 03-12-2010 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G37Sam (Post 440914)
Boost pressure too? :D

Beat me to it! :rofl2:

shumby 03-12-2010 08:30 AM

i think they are never going to give the boost pressure. they are going to be like some wheel companies with off sets. lol

Z eliminator 03-12-2010 08:36 AM

I guess its a differnet compressor wheel in the vortec or a larger vortec SC,

CBRich 03-12-2010 08:51 AM

Kyle, I'm hoping maybe you'll start a new thread for the release as this one is screwed up now.

lemansz20 03-12-2010 09:09 AM

Its tomm already, CHOP CHOP, wheres that press release??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???

tsui_san 03-12-2010 09:39 AM

It's 7:40am on the west coast...probably not even in the office yet


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