2.5" or 3" for a TT

NYBladeZ · 12-09-2009, 04:52 PM

Yeah I know the quick answer is a 3" exhaust but there aren't many vendors out there producing them. My question is can 500whp still be reached with a 2.5" exhaust? I love the berk cbe but like most exhausts out there it's a 2.5" and there would be no point in getting it if I need to swap out to a 3" so I can make 500 at the wheels. Answers appreciated!

Togo · 12-09-2009, 05:17 PM

I'm not positive but I think 500 RWHP will be difficult with a 2.5" and if it is possible you'll probably still suffer at lower rpms a lot more and have a longer spool up time.

Greddy has a 2.75"
AAM has a 3"
GTM has a 3"

As more turbo kits hit the market we'll likely see more 3" exhausts hit the market.

G35guy84 · 12-09-2009, 05:52 PM

I'd like to hear what Tony from F.I. has to say about this. He is a great, honest guy who really knows his sh*t, and I bet he would know and give an unbiased opinion. Now, F.I. created a 2.5" system (which I bought), so why would they do that if it is incompatible with a TT setup, especially since I assume that a lot of us guys wanna eventually go TT? Just my

Togo · 12-09-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by G35guy84

I'd like to hear what Tony from F.I. has to say about this. He is a great, honest guy who really knows his sh*t, and I bet he would know and give an unbiased opinion. Now, F.I. created a 2.5" system (which I bought), so why would they do that if it is incompatible with a TT setup, especially since I assume that a lot of us guys wanna eventually go TT? Just my

Actually not a lot of people want to go TT that are actually seriously considering it. The costs to do so, correctly, is in the 15K price range which is more than most will pony up.

G37Sam · 12-09-2009, 06:03 PM

There's a G37 that GTM tuned with an FI exhaust & test pipes, it's doable

He was hitting mid 400s whp I believe

A 3" surely is more recommended, I'm sure Tony can make a 3" exhaust for you if you needed it.. I've come to believe there's nothing that man can't do

Tony = God?

Togo · 12-09-2009, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G37Sam

There's a G37 that GTM tuned with an FI exhaust & test pipes, it's doable

He was hitting mid 400s whp I believe

A 3" surely is more recommended, I'm sure Tony can make a 3" exhaust for you if you needed it.. I've come to believe there's nothing that man can't do

Tony = God?

Tony had mentioned tackling a TT kit at some point. I think right now though he is still finishing up orders and his LTHs. I'm really interested to see what he'd fab up and I'm sure he'd custom make a 3" exhaust for a TT setup

G35guy84 · 12-09-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Togo

Tony had mentioned tackling a TT kit at some point. I think right now though he is still finishing up orders and his LTHs. I'm really interested to see what he'd fab up and I'm sure he'd custom make a 3" exhaust for a TT setup

And give us guys who've already bought the 2.5" exhaust a huge discount on the 3".

Togo · 12-09-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by G35guy84

And give us guys who've already bought the 2.5" exhaust a huge discount on the 3".

Dude he probably would just for the repeat business!!

Minicobra1 · 12-09-2009, 07:43 PM

My 2 cents, and I'm not a Turbo expert, but I know that on alot of smaller 4 cylinder motors such as my Turbo Mini Cooper, we went with a 3" exhaust because of the amount of boost we were running on the front end, which is 18psi.
I think all the Turbo aps for the 370z from Greddy, AAM, GTM, etc. are in the 6 to 9psi range, because of the hi-compression pistons in our motor. I know a lot of the experts out there recommend running 3" in anything that is pushing over 300whp. how much more power you could get out of the 3" is to be seen, IMO I think you could probably get to 500whp with a 2.5 exhaust that has good flow. There is a lot more to flow then just the diameter of the tubing, cats, resonators, mufflers, tubing bends all play a role. Bottom line is if you are going to be for sure boosting the car later on, you should probably talk with whoever is going to be supplying the kit and building it, most of them are designing the exhaust around that application.

Kastley85891 · 12-09-2009, 07:53 PM

Get a set of catless DP's and you will prolly make your goal, the 3in TB would be nice but I ran 400 WHP on 26 psi with a 3 in catless DP and a stock catback on a different platform, TBH, tuning wise the little bit of exhaust restriction actually helped control the boost curve better up top.
Thats just my thought on it technically, personally I would just get a 3 in catless deal if I were dropping monies on a TT kit.

ZCarMan · 12-09-2009, 07:58 PM

I remember when purchasing my AAM Comp 2.5 inch True Dual Exhaust that their webpage mentioned handling up to 500HP. I went and copied it here:

"This is the perfect exhaust for both NA (naturally aspirated / non-supercharged or turbocharged) applications and forced induction (supercharged or turbocharged) applications where the AAM Competition 370Z 2.5" True Dual Exhaust System has been proven up to 500hp."

Togo · 12-09-2009, 08:08 PM

Well the AAM TT kit just made 500RWHP with a 3" exhaust at 6-8psi. Soooo if you had a 2.5" and you bumped up the boost a little you might attain the 500RWHP mark then?

I'd think this would be less than ideal unless you had a built bottom end..

G35guy84 · 12-09-2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCarMan

I remember when purchasing my AAM Comp 2.5 inch True Dual Exhaust that their webpage mentioned handling up to 500HP. I went and copied it here:

"This is the perfect exhaust for both NA (naturally aspirated / non-supercharged or turbocharged) applications and forced induction (supercharged or turbocharged) applications where the AAM Competition 370Z 2.5" True Dual Exhaust System has been proven up to 500hp."

As much as I would like to agree with you (and I really would since I paid over $1800 for my F.I. 2.5" exhaust/HFCs), that may be a bit of a biased opinion. As I said before, I would like Tony ::cough cough:: to comment on what he thinks.

BoBoTee · 12-09-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togo

Well the AAM TT kit just made 500RWHP with a 3" exhaust at 6-8psi. Soooo if you had a 2.5" and you bumped up the boost a little you might attain the 500RWHP mark then?

I'd think this would be less than ideal unless you had a built bottom end..

It wouldn't make sense to up the boost while keeping the same 2.5" exhaust diameter. Uping the boost will just create more backpressure and more heat to the engine. Plus, you get slower spool the turbo is pushing more into the engine but it's not exiting fast enough. I'm not saying that 500rwhp is not attainable with a 2.5 but at what cost? longevity maybe?

Snakes709 · 12-09-2009, 08:38 PM

The question is, what will a 3" sound like. I know when i switched from my stock exhaust to 4into1 header, 3" downpipe with hfc and 3" magnaflow exhaust with a 12" res. It sounded like ***...but then again that was on my 4 banger supercharged cobalt and i made 300fwhp.

12-09-2009, 04:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 21	2.5" or 3" for a TT Yeah I know the quick answer is a 3" exhaust but there aren't many vendors out there producing them. My question is can 500whp still be reached with a 2.5" exhaust? I love the berk cbe but like most exhausts out there it's a 2.5" and there would be no point in getting it if I need to swap out to a 3" so I can make 500 at the wheels. Answers appreciated! __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

12-09-2009, 05:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 658	I'm not positive but I think 500 RWHP will be difficult with a 2.5" and if it is possible you'll probably still suffer at lower rpms a lot more and have a longer spool up time. Greddy has a 2.75" AAM has a 3" GTM has a 3" As more turbo kits hit the market we'll likely see more 3" exhausts hit the market. __________________ This will decimate all after you put about fifteen grand in it or more, and if we have to, overnight parts from Japan. Joe Clem and Koeppel Nissan

12-09-2009, 05:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
G35guy84 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New York Posts: 305 Drives: '09 370Z 7AT Sprt PW Rep Power: 16	I'd like to hear what Tony from F.I. has to say about this. He is a great, honest guy who really knows his sh*t, and I bet he would know and give an unbiased opinion. Now, F.I. created a 2.5" system (which I bought), so why would they do that if it is incompatible with a TT setup, especially since I assume that a lot of us guys wanna eventually go TT? Just my __________________ '09 Nissan 370Z Base 7AT - Sport Package - Pearl White \| Performance Mods: Stillen G3 CAI \| F.I. HFC \| F.I. TDX CBE w/ 18" resonators \| Megan Racing coilover kit \| Ichiba rear camber kit \| 20mm front / 25mm rear H&R spacers \| Aesthetic Mods: White interior/license plate LEDs \| 6000K bulbs \| 20% tint

12-09-2009, 06:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 21	There's a G37 that GTM tuned with an FI exhaust & test pipes, it's doable He was hitting mid 400s whp I believe A 3" surely is more recommended, I'm sure Tony can make a 3" exhaust for you if you needed it.. I've come to believe there's nothing that man can't do Tony = God? __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

12-09-2009, 07:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Minicobra1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA. Posts: 1,205 Drives: 370Z Tour, Spt, 6mt Rep Power: 645	My 2 cents, and I'm not a Turbo expert, but I know that on alot of smaller 4 cylinder motors such as my Turbo Mini Cooper, we went with a 3" exhaust because of the amount of boost we were running on the front end, which is 18psi. I think all the Turbo aps for the 370z from Greddy, AAM, GTM, etc. are in the 6 to 9psi range, because of the hi-compression pistons in our motor. I know a lot of the experts out there recommend running 3" in anything that is pushing over 300whp. how much more power you could get out of the 3" is to be seen, IMO I think you could probably get to 500whp with a 2.5 exhaust that has good flow. There is a lot more to flow then just the diameter of the tubing, cats, resonators, mufflers, tubing bends all play a role. Bottom line is if you are going to be for sure boosting the car later on, you should probably talk with whoever is going to be supplying the kit and building it, most of them are designing the exhaust around that application. __________________ 370z Tour\| Spt Pack\|Navi\|BERK CBE\|Berk HFC's\| Eibach Springs\| Hotchkis Sway Bars\|SPC Camber Arms\|15mm Ichiba Wheel Spacers\| 19"Factory Nismo Wheels-Matt Black\|Stop Tech Rotors\|TWM Shifter\|3M Tint\|Black Fangs\|Black Rear Valance\|JDM Fog Light\| MY BAND-www.myspace.com/petroleum

12-09-2009, 07:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kastley85891 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ATX 370 - Sold Posts: 1,149 Drives: 2003 Wagon Rep Power: 18	Get a set of catless DP's and you will prolly make your goal, the 3in TB would be nice but I ran 400 WHP on 26 psi with a 3 in catless DP and a stock catback on a different platform, TBH, tuning wise the little bit of exhaust restriction actually helped control the boost curve better up top. Thats just my thought on it technically, personally I would just get a 3 in catless deal if I were dropping monies on a TT kit.

12-09-2009, 07:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 27	I remember when purchasing my AAM Comp 2.5 inch True Dual Exhaust that their webpage mentioned handling up to 500HP. I went and copied it here: "This is the perfect exhaust for both NA (naturally aspirated / non-supercharged or turbocharged) applications and forced induction (supercharged or turbocharged) applications where the AAM Competition 370Z 2.5" True Dual Exhaust System has been proven up to 500hp." __________________ Jon Swift \| SPC \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| AAM \| Cobb \| Hawk \| Volk Racing \| Bridgestone Green Demon Eyes

12-09-2009, 08:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 658	Well the AAM TT kit just made 500RWHP with a 3" exhaust at 6-8psi. Soooo if you had a 2.5" and you bumped up the boost a little you might attain the 500RWHP mark then? I'd think this would be less than ideal unless you had a built bottom end.. __________________ This will decimate all after you put about fifteen grand in it or more, and if we have to, overnight parts from Japan. Joe Clem and Koeppel Nissan

12-09-2009, 08:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
Snakes709 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 Evo-X GSR Rep Power: 18	The question is, what will a 3" sound like. I know when i switched from my stock exhaust to 4into1 header, 3" downpipe with hfc and 3" magnaflow exhaust with a 12" res. It sounded like ***...but then again that was on my 4 banger supercharged cobalt and i made 300fwhp.

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