Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way but just being legal is below the minimum standard for people I will do business with. If a company is not willing to treat me and other customers in a fashion that goes above and beyond "legal", I'll take my business elsewhere.

Maybe the GTM-to-Gamma changeover is completely legit and Gamma is a completely separate company that only bought GTM's IP. But, with them keeping Sam on, it sure doesn't look that way. Since I am not privy to the inner workings of Gamma (or any other vendor), all I have to go on is appearances.

Back to the food analogy: if a restaurant cook gives everybody food poisoning and sells his recipes/equipment/building to new owners, I'm not eating there if the same cook is still working there - in any capacity. If anybody else wants to take their chances, I wish them well ... but don't expect a lot of sympathy when you start puking up your supper.

No matter what the truth is (we'll never know for sure), Gamma made a very bad business decision when they decided to keep Sam on the payroll.

Calm down bro. What I've said in the post you quoted doesn't have any effects to you selling the kit you have on hand. Whether anyone would buy that kit relies heavily on how much they can trust this new company and its customer service, not some guy mentioning your name in a thread. No where did I say anything to smear your company.

And just to add, this thread goes to the next page too quickly, I honestly haven't read any of the longer posts :rofl2: just barely skimmed over what stands out.

So don't feel so bad if I didn't acknowledge you ;)

Yeah everything has effects, So now just bash the product he is trying to sell because it was made by a company with a bad rep and not his company? Makes it aloottt better.
I know first hand Todd's product and customer service is top notch :tup:

I can agree with how fast this thread is going though

Anddd when did anyone bashed the product Todd is selling? :confused:

The bolded above is phrased in a way to where it can be seen that way. Just was pointing it out in good form; I would instead of saying "that kit" but say "a GAMMA/GTM kit"

:wtf2:

:tup:

I made a simple joke because your hardheaded *** continued to make the same statements over and over again but never answered my first question. You also continue to add more and more new information every time you post a response. This time you added that all your information is from people speaking directly with Gamma during visits to the shop. You could have listed this as a fact but also information you received from a 3rd party so you cannot completely verify.

Please continue to response because I need something to do between innings :tup:

FYI - if you actually read my posts you would know that I have no horse in this race. I was simply trying to get you to clarify a statement and you went left.

The whole thread is about GTM and Gamma. A reasonably intelligent person will be able to figure out that the GTM/Gamma products were being referred to. ;)

Stopped reading this thread last night because I went to bed. I like my sleep. :D It has gone from page 3 to page 11 when I started to read it again. And nothing as changed. It's the same people arguing. :wtf2: I can see both sides of the argument. For this to work out is to give it time. Either Gamma will prove themselves or they implode. Then we will see which side was right.


Plus there is 4+ vendors on the forum reading this thread. Do you think that this type of arguing doesn't make them nervous? Wondering who's next.

None, I hope! Entertaining values aside. These threads should serve as a deterrent for any vendor thinking to follow in GTM/GAMMA's foot steps.

Nothing I or Bullitt have said on behalf of Gamma Motors has been something that they have told either Bullitt or I. The ideas that he or I have given or est numbers were usually to a possible solution that someone could use to be able to have leverage in their situation.


Answer your first questions?

and as for your simple joke? as it was not, came off as a sny insult about me being brain damaged by SoCal pollution to the point where I need how to read still in life.
next time you should check yourself a bit.

A reasonably intelligent person would understand the difference in the specificity of the Kit that is sitting at Vivid Racing and the kits that the company is producing and selling, of which I was referring :tup:
Thanks for the :twocents: although you must have misunderstood what was being discussed!

Vivid was used as an example, hence the "possibly" in the comment. As written, it was not specifically aimed at Vivid.

I may be from Arkansas (we're even dumber than Texans) but I can still read. I even score very high (>2 SD above mean) on reading comprehension tests.

PS: The "reasonably intelligent person" was not a jab at you (or anyone else). Merely stating that his comment, although not as precise as you wanted, was still understandable by most people.

Calm down? I'm not your bro. Did I not ask you politely twice? I couldn't be any more calm.

Again I must remain the professional here. When you insinuated that GTM sent me parts from someone else's kit, that is most certainly not making a good name for me. Just as I explained to FPenvy, there is a lot of reading comprehension issues in this thread and the last thing I need is for someone to skim along and read that I took "stolen" goods, what do you think that does for my business?

Now I know that wasn't directed at me but once again what does it imply? How do you know how much money I've spent with GTM? Should I have refused to take the parts to complete my kit because someone possibly before or after me paid for theirs and didn't get it? For the record Sam negotiated the payback on GTMs debt to us with the CEO of Gamma, it was approved and we are for the most part, whole again. This had nothing to do with me, it wasn't my idea or my request. This was negotiated through the owners of Vivid and Sam, he took it to Gamma and that's what was agreed upon.

Secondly, you have taken the very clear approach to make sure that everyone in the community sides with you to make sure nobody does business with Gamma. But then my name shows up, no other vendors who sell the product, just mine. Do you understand what that does to my business? Can you see how it interferes with my sole purpose of working on this forum?

Like I asked before, the name "Todd" and or "Vivid Racing" should not be mentioned by you because I've asked you nicely to stop interfering with my ability to make a living. That's all. There are people on this forum who have already been getting quotes from me on Gamma's kit and I don't appreciate you mentioning us when you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't have stolen parts, I have a complete kit that we paid for. I did not get special attention because of the amount of business we did with GTM to get what was owed to us. However I appreciate the attention they paid us to make things right. I have made it clear that if people want the kit but aren't comfortable going direct through Gamma, then they can go through me and enjoy a generous discount given to me for a debt that is owed (money lost that I could choose to keep) on the first 6 kits.

I also have in writing that the Stage 1 G37 kit I have will be covered by Gamma on the warranty and the price is not only lower than GTMs MSRP but MUCH lower than Gammas new pricing.