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The idea here was to augment the Stillen aftercooler by initially cooling the charge before the TB's . The barrel style I/C's don't drop much pressure, so it might have worked. The Plazmaman custom w2a I/C would have been fairly expensive but they promised a quick turnaround. I also considered an even larger Heat Exchanger than the Frozen Boost, and a larger circulating pump, to provide more cooling potential to the Stillen I/C itself. |
Really a guy could just buy a nice racing radiator you would normally use to cool your engine water for long track days. Something like a Mishimoto or the like.
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I know you are definitely committed to going Air to Air - It is an extremely reasonable endeavor and the whole purpose of this thread. I believe you are really on to something here...and you stand to become the 'Hero of Heat' when you get your design configured, installed, and cooling. Just laying some ground work here for you - And perhaps some others who may be considering upgrading the Stillen ... Doesn't make sense to waste time doing something that someone else has already thought of or even proven doesn't work or isn't practical. A number of us have already wrestled with trying to find the solution to make the Stillen work with the w2a. So far there have been a few other novel ideas posted that have been given a great deal of thought and do have some merit. Hopefully discussing the pro's and con's of each approach will benefit all. Attached are some pics of the barrel heat exchanger (preliminary dimensions), and the location for the I/C. I was able to find some more room for the I/C by removing some material from the radiator brace...so the I/C could have possibly have been even larger. Plazmamans response was not to recommend the idea of 2 smaller I/C's but to go with 1 larger one instead, even though they have seen both ways installed. Either way - the w2a solution was getting more complicated as time went on. https://www.plazmaman.com/ |
Do they make an overdrive crank pulley for the Z?
Has anyone toyed with this yet? It could crank out more psi with less chance of slippage on the sc belt. |
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I was hoping that someone would jump in on this one! I had researched this area when I was still building the Stillen. Never was able to find a definitive answer though ... but I did speak with Bobby at CIN Motorsports and he was developing an overdrive pulley to spin up his Vortech V7 project. He said he was going to need a 'slightly' larger crank pulley but didn't have the actual percentage figured out ... and was still in the trial and error phase of his engineering. Something to consider is the max rating of the Stillen/Vortech V3 is 55000 RPM with the upgraded impeller. Attached is a copy of the Dyno Run on my car with the Stillen showing little gain in HP and Tqe dropping off after 6900 RPM - Reducing your shift point actually might work to your advantage here. Here is a link to check out - NST Pulleys. 10% overdrive on the crank might be too much for your SC'r application. Maybe NST can come up with a custom solution for you combining a lesser overdrive % on the crank and the corresponding underdrive on the accessories. NST Nissan 370Z Pulley Kit Dyno Testing | NonStopTuning |
Sounds like that could be a tricky one. Has anyone looked into swapping the two 6 rib pulleys for 8 rib? It looks like it would fit. But then again if that would work why did some go cog?
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Went with cogs for the ease and availability of changing S/C rpms. They are already run that way on the DE. You can run anywhere from a 32T-32T (1:1) to 34T-28T setup. Just have to change the idler pulley OD to make it all fit since there aren't many cog belt sizes.
Dynosty built some custom 8-rib pulleys for a Stillen S/C HR a few years ago and added a 50 shot. It's on their blog a long time ago, but it's easy to google. I contacted ATI for a Superdampr a couple of years ago. They will custom make anything you want. I don't remember the price, but it was around $1000-$1200 for one, and $600-$800 if I could get a group buy. I was shooting for around a 6.25"-6.5" OD but gave up on the whole thing. |
Did some good R&D on Sunday. Placed a massive order for all parts I think I will need and should be able to get some work done this coming weekend.
Who thinks the MAFS would work in their current location on the Y-pipe except a blow through with an air straightener right before the single inlet? |
I think the MAFs preSCer are the majority of the problems with the Stillen kit.
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Id put the Mafs as close to the factory position as possible. Im dropping my car off july 21 with sasha to start on the Air to Air. ill keep u guys posted. |
No. I mean using the Y-pipe as a splitter for the dual intake. I have a single outlet IC. After it comes out of the ic it goes into the engine bay on the passenger side only through the same route a CAI would and like my BP kit did since that shroud is already cut for the intake pipe. Right after going through that hole, I would mount the stillen Y-pipe and house my MAFS in there then place a pipe off each into each throttle body to the stillen mani. Basically, I could use the Y-pipe that has the maf inserts already in them instead of finding a different Y and MAF pipes. Obviously I would be taking both filters off.
Hence the "blow through". My question is... Is there enough pipe before the Y so the MAFS will get good readings? Or is that short distance from the Y of the pipe too short and cause turbulence leading to erratic readings? |
Can't answer that one but why not use the intakes from the BP kit and just locate the MAFs in the factory location.
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Shorten the passenger one and reroll the edge for the coupler. You could modify the driver or leave it as is |
can't wait to see what happens with the 2 builds, ready to upgrade mine!
Was just going to go the E85/upgraded impeller route, but I'll wait and see |
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