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GeauxTigers1 04-29-2015 03:19 AM

Ok..Here we go, FI or AAM?
 
I've read almost the entire thread on both, they are both amazing kits, love em. Trying to figure out which one is for me, and I'm sure it's completely going to be opinion, but for those that already have the kit, why you go one or the other? AAM seems to have higher dyno #'s (going off pump gas #'s), easier install, but FI has more material out there it appears. Could be bc AAM just hasn't been out quite as long. Any input would be amazingly appreciated and I'm hoping that current owners will love the chance to proudly talk about their ride. Thanks guys!! :happydance:

Also, I'm on the fence of both, this one gorgeous video might have converted me to FI. As "ricer" as I might sound here, I really think one of the best things of going Forced Induction is the sound. :D Turbo AND BOV (AAM has CRV)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQgSjluYxzo

**No disrespect to either company, you both have some amazing quality kits, I read so many great things, now I'm hoping to get a side by side comparison.

VSS370z 04-29-2015 07:30 AM

Went with Fast Intentions and in terms of BOV sound they are pretty damn loud to me and i love it every time plus it seems to scare people when i pass them by haha. I went with FI simply because i already had a great experience in buying their exhaust system plus the quality of it was great and their customer service sold me from the start so i knew i would go back for more. What i like the most is that Tony doesn't try to sell you parts just for the sake of it, he tells you what would work best for your goals and if some parts are just a waste of money for your build he will tell you straight up. Still i think you can't go wrong with either kit! :tiphat:

FPenvy 04-29-2015 07:58 AM

as a supporter of both companies it's hard for me to pick one or the other.

both kits are amazing and beautiful. i'd be happy to put either one on my car.

but honestly if I were purchasing a TT kit right now as you are I would be calling Tony and choosing FI.

either way you really can't go wrong.

jwick 04-29-2015 08:35 AM

There is no question, Fast Intentions! Tony and the guys build without a doubt the best product for our platform. It would most likely be the kit I'd be running if they had a G option.

Go with FI and don't look back!

Chuck33079 04-29-2015 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3182398)
There is no question, Fast Intentions! Tony and the guys build without a doubt the best product for our platform. It would most likely be the kit I'd be running if they had a G option.

Go with FI and don't look back!

Fast Intentions all the way. I'm not too blown away with how AAM (didn't) handle a problem with a local guy's turbo kit. No one has ever had anything bad to say about Fast Intentions customer service.

DEpointfive0 04-29-2015 09:01 AM

The AAM kit's turbos has built in BOVs and waste gates... I'd pass for that reason alone.
Imagine, one goes out... Drop the motor

KratikosG37 04-29-2015 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3182402)
Fast Intentions all the way. I'm not too blown away with how AAM (didn't) handle a problem with a local guy's turbo kit. No one has ever had anything bad to say about Fast Intentions customer service.

They also didn't live up to a exhaust replacement due to fitment issues.

Not bashing AAM just pointing out a fact from a close friend's personal experience.

FI or AAM can't go wrong with the outcome when it comes to power. Both perform well, but to me it's all about comfort in the after sale.

Support is key for any purchase, you have to make sure if you need extra parts or replacements in the future that the company is their to support you. My suggestion is speak to who ever is doing the work. If they have above business agreement over one company compared to the other than that's who I would go with.

Once again BOTH company's are great! IMO AAM TT kit looks well made, and 609whp at 9PSI sounds like a winner in my book, and FI beating records left/right on stock block looks great too.

Just make sure you're taken care of down the road compared to what's the better deal in the short term.

KratikosG37 04-29-2015 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3182429)
The AAM kit's turbos has built in BOVs and waste gates... I'd pass for that reason alone.
Imagine, one goes out... Drop the motor

mine are custom top mounts. cost extra, but worth it.

TerribleONE 04-29-2015 09:29 AM

F.I. gets my vote for both quality, and customer service. Put the two together and you get to have your cake and eat it to.

DEpointfive0 04-29-2015 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 3182487)
F.I. gets my vote for both quality, and customer service. Put the two together and you get to have your cake and eat it to.

I wonder why... Lol

jwick 04-29-2015 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3182505)
I wonder why... Lol

I'm guessing 638WHP 541WTQ @ 13.5PSI on stock block:rofl2:
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E85

TerribleONE 04-29-2015 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3182505)
I wonder why... Lol

As you said, the internal BOV's and wastegates would make me nervous, and Tony stands behind his product 100% which doesn't seem to be the case with AAM. Also, being right around the corner from them definitely helps. Not bashing AAM, just saying which one I would go with if I had to do it again and wasn't the prototype car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3182509)
I'm guessing 638WHP 541WTQ @ 13.5PSI on stock block:rofl2:
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E85

That definitely has something to do with it :driving: I also haven't seen a kit that matches the responsiveness of the F.I. kit. This thing drives better then any boosted car I have driven from the factory including GTRs, AMGs, M cars, etc.

F.I. fan boy for life :rofl2:

KratikosG37 04-29-2015 10:03 AM

Boost is boost, but PSI leaving from the housing to the engine makes a world of a different...

If piping is wired correctly power bands will increase with a lower PSI.

If money grew in my backyard. I'd pull my GTM kit...

Chuck33079 04-29-2015 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KratikosG37 (Post 3182543)
If money grew in my backyard. I'd pull my GTM kit...

:iagree:

If the FI kit was available one year earlier I'd have gone that route instead of GTM for sure.

jwick 04-29-2015 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3182547)
:iagree:

If the FI kit was available one year earlier I'd have gone that route instead of GTM for sure.

Seems like they were a year or so behind for both of us

TerribleONE 04-29-2015 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3182569)
Seems like they were a year or so behind for both of us

If only Tony had listened to me sooner... :stirthepot:

tonyHTX 04-29-2015 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3182569)
Seems like they were a year or so behind for both of us

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 3182570)
If only Tony had listened to me sooner... :stirthepot:

I was not able to get an FI kit - I even offered to get the 370z kit and have my install shop fab whatever was needed, but couldn't convince Tony. I totally understand why I was denied since FI wants the utmost quality/fitment in the products they ship and I can't fault them for not wanting to sell me a product that may or may not fit. Props to them for that (even if I secretly hate it deep down inside).

If I had to do it all over again, I would still be with the AAM kit because there still isn't an FI kit available for the V36 Coupe/Sedans *yet*. :stirthepot:

So, I had to go with the AAM kit for my G sedan. We basically ended up doing R&D and fabbing as well and, as stated in my build thread, near the end of my build contact with AAM got very spotty. We have reported most of our adjustments to AAM, but I can not speak as to whether or not they made it into their 'production' kits.

I for one liked all of the features the EFR turbos came integrated and the overall quality of the kit is good. It is just that I pioneered the kit for the G sedan, I'm sure I may have encountered similar things had Tony gave me the FI kit as well (which, again, is probably why Tony wouldn't sell me a kit). In the end I am excited to see what the AAM kit can really do for me in the future.

If you have a 370z I'm sure you wouldn't experience some of the pains that I did, although I'm sure every build has it's setbacks along the way. But like others have said you need to weigh all factors in from design/features of the kit, performance of the kit, and post service/support.

Carbon_z 04-29-2015 11:09 AM

Fast Intentions TiAL Sport HTZ-3579 (Billet Wheel) ALPHA Cover Twin Turbo kit. Four figure numbers.

Because my intentions are to be fast ;)

KratikosG37 04-29-2015 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyHTX (Post 3182594)
I was not able to get an FI kit - I even offered to get the 370z kit and have my install shop fab whatever was needed, but couldn't convince Tony. I totally understand why I was denied since FI wants the utmost quality/fitment in the products they ship and I can't fault them for not wanting to sell me a product that may or may not fit. Props to them for that (even if I secretly hate it deep down inside).

If I had to do it all over again, I would still be with the AAM kit because there still isn't an FI kit available for the V36 Coupe/Sedans *yet*. :stirthepot:

So, I had to go with the AAM kit for my G sedan. We basically ended up doing R&D and fabbing as well and, as stated in my build thread, near the end of my build contact with AAM got very spotty. We have reported most of our adjustments to AAM, but I can not speak as to whether or not they made it into their 'production' kits.

I for one liked all of the features the EFR turbos came integrated and the overall quality of the kit is good. It is just that I pioneered the kit for the G sedan, I'm sure I may have encountered similar things had Tony gave me the FI kit as well (which, again, is probably why Tony wouldn't sell me a kit). In the end I am excited to see what the AAM kit can really do for me in the future.

If you have a 370z I'm sure you wouldn't experience some of the pains that I did, although I'm sure every build has it's setbacks along the way. But like others have said you need to weigh all factors in from design/features of the kit, performance of the kit, and post service/support.

I'm a G37 owner which my avatar clearly says, but the point is I understand your dilemma. GTM was the only kit offered at the time, even before AAM.

Know someone with a 08 G37 custom made TT with piping and HKS turbos(before GTM). The kit still holds, but what happens if he starts having issues?

At least I can hope for GTM to be back in business and produce TT parts again. Ex: manifolds, turbo housings, wastegates ect....

FPenvy 04-29-2015 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KratikosG37 (Post 3182631)
At least I can hope for GTM to be back in business and produce TT parts again. Ex: manifolds, turbo housings, wastegates ect....

you got a better chance of seeing jesus or santa claus before this lol

:bowrofl:

tonyHTX 04-29-2015 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KratikosG37 (Post 3182631)
I'm a G37 owner which my avatar clearly says, but the point is I understand your dilemma. GTM was the only kit offered at the time, even before AAM.

Know someone with a 08 G37 custom made TT with piping and HKS turbos(before GTM). The kit still holds, but what happens if he starts having issues?

At least I can hope for GTM to be back in business and produce TT parts again. Ex: manifolds, turbo housings, wastegates ect....

Edit: I just realized you are giving example of what your friend will do if he has issues with his kit. I think you are more stressing the value of post customer support. Sorry I mistook your original intent.

Hotrodz 04-29-2015 11:45 AM

FI and never look back. I have the first kit that was not assembled by FI. Technically it was the third kit that was installed. I have 16k miles on the kit and not one issue. I am making 556whp and 552tq on 100 octane. The service from Tony and Sebastian is top shelf. Let's put it this way, Tony is not just the guy that built my turbo, he is family. If he wasn't, there is no way I would be going to ZDayZ!

You should go visit his shop and Specialty Z as well. If you do, it's all over except for signing the check! :)

KratikosG37 04-29-2015 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3182636)
you got a better chance of seeing jesus or santa claus before this lol

:bowrofl:


Words of FPenvy
"yes and no.

kinda opened a whole new can of worms saying that Sam spoke to you which is like talking to Christ himself in terms of rarity AND that he said he's working R&D on a new SC for the VQ.
so you spoke to jesus and found the arc in the same day."

If GTM opens their doors, than Jesus will be open for business.:owned:

FPenvy 04-29-2015 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KratikosG37 (Post 3182815)
Words of FPenvy
"yes and no.

kinda opened a whole new can of worms saying that Sam spoke to you which is like talking to Christ himself in terms of rarity AND that he said he's working R&D on a new SC for the VQ.
so you spoke to jesus and found the arc in the same day."

If GTM opens their doors, than Jesus will be open for business.:owned:

I forgot about that post haha. ahhhh the things that come out of my brain surprises me sometimes.....well not really. it's a mess in there :bowrofl:

thanks for posting it back up :tiphat:

KratikosG37 04-29-2015 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyHTX (Post 3182638)
Edit: I just realized you are giving example of what your friend will do if he has issues with his kit. I think you are more stressing the value of post customer support. Sorry I mistook your original intent.

That's the reason why we pay top tuners to touch our cars. Is it not?

jwick 04-29-2015 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 3182570)
If only Tony had listened to me sooner... :stirthepot:

He's probably spent enough time on myG37.com that he knows most of the people there are cheap and wouldn't really appreciate that most often you have to pay for quality. :rofl2:

GeauxTigers1 04-29-2015 02:06 PM

Jesus guys! Awesome insight from everyone, really appreciate all the quick responses. Logged on in hopes to see one or two posts :) love this place!

GeauxTigers1 04-29-2015 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VSS370z (Post 3182321)
Went with Fast Intentions and in terms of BOV sound they are pretty damn loud to me and i love it every time plus it seems to scare people when i pass them by haha. I went with FI simply because i already had a great experience in buying their exhaust system plus the quality of it was great and their customer service sold me from the start so i knew i would go back for more. What i like the most is that Tony doesn't try to sell you parts just for the sake of it, he tells you what would work best for your goals and if some parts are just a waste of money for your build he will tell you straight up. Still i think you can't go wrong with either kit! :tiphat:

Sounds like someone else puts a lot of value in the PSSSSHHH sound as well ;) HA

jwick 04-29-2015 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeauxTigers1 (Post 3182862)
Sounds like someone else puts a lot of value in the PSSSSHHH sound as well ;) HA

I love all the turbo noises that come out of my kit from the spool, to turbo whistle, BOV and compressor unloading, all music to my ears:yum:

GeauxTigers1 04-29-2015 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3182654)
FI and never look back. I have the first kit that was not assembled by FI. Technically it was the third kit that was installed. I have 16k miles on the kit and not one issue. I am making 556whp and 552tq on 100 octane. The service from Tony and Sebastian is top shelf. Let's put it this way, Tony is not just the guy that built my turbo, he is family. If he wasn't, there is no way I would be going to ZDayZ!

You should go visit his shop and Specialty Z as well. If you do, it's all over except for signing the check! :)

I just realized how much closer they are than AAM!! Thanks for the tip on visiting. We go to Cali all the time.. ALSO! Noticed your in Az too, let me know next time you go to Zdays. Two FI Nismos going on a road trip could be life changing:driving::driving:

FPenvy 04-29-2015 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeauxTigers1 (Post 3182865)
I just realized how much closer they are than AAM!! Thanks for the tip on visiting. We go to Cali all the time.. ALSO! Noticed your in Az too, let me know next time you go to Zdays. Two FI Nismos going on a road trip could be life changing:driving::driving:

zdayz is in 2 weeks and Tony/FI crew will be there. 2 birds one road trip lol

GeauxTigers1 04-29-2015 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3182864)
I love all the turbo noises that come out of my kit from the spool, to turbo whistle, BOV and compressor unloading, all music to my ears:yum:

I think that's why that video posted in the original thread made my permanent smirk from last night remain this morning. My old GTM kit and my single turbo on the 350 didn't sound like that when they spooled. Well just not nearly as loud. Can't freakin wait!

GeauxTigers1 04-29-2015 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3182867)
zdayz is in 2 weeks and Tony/FI crew will be there. 2 birds one road trip lol

Thought they just had one mid April?! Ha! FI can I have my kit shipped overnight?! Lol

FPenvy 04-29-2015 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeauxTigers1 (Post 3182886)
Thought they just had one mid April?! Ha! FI can I have my kit shipped overnight?! Lol

we could be talking about different events.

ZdayZ is every may out in the mountains of NC lol

ZDayZ 2015

here is your road trip for next year :tiphat:

GeauxTigers1 04-29-2015 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3182891)
we could be talking about different events.

ZdayZ is every may out in the mountains of NC lol

ZDayZ 2015

here is your road trip for next year :tiphat:

Done! When I had my 09, I never made any of these events. That's something that's going to change this time around. The event I was thinking of should have happened second week in April in Cali I thought? Could be wrong, just thought I remember seeing it in my hundreds of posts I read while reviewing these two kits

jwick 04-29-2015 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeauxTigers1 (Post 3182879)
I think that's why that video posted in the original thread made my permanent smirk from last night remain this morning. My old GTM kit and my single turbo on the 350 didn't sound like that when they spooled. Well just not nearly as loud. Can't freakin wait!

I run a single and it makes plenty of noises. Of course I am catless so that probably helps :tup:

Driftomodachi 04-29-2015 02:36 PM

Can't keep the OEM bash bar with FI

FPenvy 04-29-2015 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driftomodachi (Post 3182918)
Can't keep the OEM bash bar with FI

no. but they offer a custom made crash bar which looks great :tiphat:

VSS370z 04-29-2015 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3182864)
I love all the turbo noises that come out of my kit from the spool, to turbo whistle, BOV and compressor unloading, all music to my ears:yum:

What he said and laugh when people think is just a normal 370z and all of a sudden PSSSSSH and is like :wtf:

jwick 04-29-2015 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VSS370z (Post 3183018)
What he said and laugh when people think is just a normal 370z and all of a sudden PSSSSSH and is like :wtf:

Yup. Really shuts people up when you blast them with an ear full of BOV from a car that didn't come from the factory with a turbo:driving:


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