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John@Z1 02-10-2015 11:13 AM

Z1 Motorsports: AAM TT Kit Installed & Evaluated 609rwhp Stock Block
 
As most have seen we were able to get our hands on the first AAM TT kit released to the public to install on a 2010 6MT 370Z. The AAM kit uses twin BorgWarner EFR 6758 turbos which packs a nice punch without sacrificing spool.

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The TT kit was chosen for a couple of different reasons. One reason being the client wanted a turbo kit that was readily available through Z1 Motorsports. We only had a couple of choices, so we called Max at AAM and talked him into setting us up with the first kit available after showing us a few numbers from some of the vehicles tuned at AAM.

With the numbers discussed the client was a go. We selected the tuner kit as we had already tuned the vehicle before via Uprev. I will say it took longer than it should to receive it due to the kit being delivered to the wrong address and our former client not wanting to let go of what he didn't purchase. This was taken care of with the help of a nice police force and Fed Ex :eek:

After we Finally received the turbo kit with the addition of CJM stage 1 fuel return kit, 1000cc inj, aeromotive 340 fuel pump and HKS boost controller. We proceeded to install. We also kept the Tomei Expreme Ti single exhaust with hopes to still hit our 530rwhp goal at 10psi. There were a couple of more hiccups through the install process but they weren't big because we called AAM and the problem was solved with ease.

After all of the hiccups were scared away we were able to hit the dyno. With Tom's engine being very healthy and not over boosted before hitting the dyno we were able to net 538rwhp with in the first 9 dyno pulls. On run 13 we were at 580rwhp at 9psi in 4th gear. At that point I decided to go through with a full 5th gear pull which pulled a very impressive 609rwhp 596 SAE with ease on 93oct fuel. All of this power is pushed through a Z1 clutch and flywheel combo w/Z1 CSC Elemination Kit!


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After the dyno I called Tom and gave him the results and we both agreed to stop at the power level we were at and just clean up the throttle response and drive ability of the tune.

For you that haven't had the chance to experience the response of the turbos you don't know what you're missing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVj30v94XUI

We would like to thank Paula, Marken, Max, Mike and the rest of the AAM team for all of the help with retrieval and questions.

zguynate 02-10-2015 11:20 AM

Daaaayum! Nice work. I even turned down BIG's Big Pappa to listen to the video lol.

I wish my kit allowed me to use the Z1 CSC elimination kit. Congrats to the owner. Im jealous!

FPenvy 02-10-2015 11:35 AM

610whp on 9.5 psi?! that AAM kit is pretty serious :tup:

theDreamer 02-10-2015 11:46 AM

Looks good, is the owner on the forum will add them to the FI finished builds thread.

aamc@AAMComp 02-10-2015 11:50 AM

Great review and feedback John, thanks for taking the time to provide this community with some additional information.

And I will agree - the Shipping Hiccup was most interesting. I never would of thought that somebody would try to keep items that were shipped to them by accident... FEDex's Security team and the local police surely changed his mind on that.

If anybody has any questions on the TT system I would be more than happy to answer whatever John cannot.

Happy Driving!

VSS370z 02-10-2015 11:53 AM

That much hp on 9.5 psi is crazy! Congrats on the build :tup:

jwick 02-10-2015 12:20 PM

Nice job!!!

John - What Z1 clutch is used the full face or 6 puck? Also any hard start issues with 1000cc on pump gas?

phunk 02-10-2015 01:04 PM

The hot side of those EFR turbos is performing very well. To spool up so quickly while flowing so well to keep the boost pressure low is impressive technology.

Well done on the tuning... much smoother lines than I was able to do with mine.

Thanks for using our fuel system and mentioning it!

John@Z1 02-10-2015 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3107521)
Nice job!!!

John - What Z1 clutch is used the full face or 6 puck? Also any hard start issues with 1000cc on pump gas?

It's the 6 puck version and no hard start issues.

John@Z1 02-10-2015 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3107572)
The hot side of those EFR turbos is performing very well. To spool up so quickly while flowing so well to keep the boost pressure low is impressive technology.

Well done on the tuning... much smoother lines than I was able to do with mine.

Thanks for using our fuel system and mentioning it!

Thanks Charles, that means a lot coming from you and we love the ease of use on your kits.

zefaulter 02-10-2015 05:17 PM

Sweet! Does AAM include instructions? I wonder if this can be a DIY :tup:

ROBERT1183 02-10-2015 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zefaulter (Post 3107899)
Sweet! Does AAM include instructions? I wonder if this can be a DIY :tup:

You will need to lower the motor for installation so your gonna need access to a lift.

Ill 02-10-2015 08:16 PM

Everytime I read one of these reviews, I regret that I did not wait to the AAM TT kit or the F.I kit :mad:

Great job, hats off to Z1 and AAM :tiphat:

ANMVQ 02-11-2015 07:26 AM

The more I read about this kit the more I want it, I just wish a had a manual AWD sedan. Twins and Auto scare me. I know about the level 10 trans but :/.

COSMO 02-11-2015 08:19 AM

That's a lot of power on a stock block. How long do you expect it to last at that power level??

FPenvy 02-11-2015 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by COSMO (Post 3108497)
That's a lot of power on a stock block. How long do you expect it to last at that power level??

:facepalm:

here we go...

John@Z1 02-11-2015 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COSMO (Post 3108497)
That's a lot of power on a stock block. How long do you expect it to last at that power level??

Should last a long time as the tq numbers are low and we're not running much timing at all.

COSMO 02-11-2015 11:02 AM

What do you mean (here we go)? Stop being a drama queen and chill dude..:tup:

Nice numbers john and smart to hold back on the tq.. :tup:



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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3108500)
:facepalm:

here we go...


John@Z1 02-11-2015 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COSMO (Post 3108695)
What do you mean (here we go)? Stop being a drama queen and chill dude..:tup:

Nice numbers john and smart to hold back on the tq.. :tup:

I didn't hold the tq back. It's the turbo design. The engines can hold plenty of tq as long as they're healthy.

elperuano 02-11-2015 04:49 PM

^lolol

ROBERT1183 02-11-2015 05:22 PM

Suprised it made that much with a single exhaust. I picked up 40whp with a custom dual 3 inch from aam over my ark system.

TechnicZ 02-12-2015 02:42 AM

Great looking kit. What were these hiccups mentioned? I'm thinking of going this route due to the EFR turbos.

JC-Nismo 02-12-2015 03:01 AM

Someone was trying to get this kit for free huh, lol. I live local to Z1 and Carroll County PD don't play those games, lol.

John@Z1 02-12-2015 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by COSMO (Post 3108990)
Or don't decide to switch back to the stock map while being dyno tuned...

What does that even mean? All tuning is performed via live tuning with the map in color not in black in white(which would be a different map). Switching to stock would make the car run extremely rich which would cause the vehicle to have a lose of power. But I think you already know this like most here already know.

John@Z1 02-12-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by technic05 (Post 3109433)
Great looking kit. What were these hiccups mentioned? I'm thinking of going this route due to the EFR turbos.

All of the issues have been resolved through AAM as this was the first externally installed kit and they needed feed back. The biggest was an A/c line issue.

jwick 02-12-2015 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by COSMO (Post 3109843)
jwick your such a tool.. lol


Kettle

Elmo370z 02-12-2015 12:23 PM

I need my bank account to blow up asap

Elmo370z 02-12-2015 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COSMO (Post 3108497)
That's a lot of power on a stock block. How long do you expect it to last at that power level??

I think as long you don't drive like an idiot it will last for a while, and the tune is very important. I member reading something from CJ motorsports ( I think) that their 370z with 600 plus whp (stock block) has 40,000 miles and still running strong.

TerribleONE 02-12-2015 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3109883)
I think as long you don't drive like an idiot it will last for a while, and the tune is very important. I member reading something from CJ motorsports ( I think) that their 370z with 600 plus whp (stock block) has 40,000 miles and still running strong.

His car hasn't been making 600+ for that long. I believe he was pushing mid 500s for most of those miles before he turned the boost up

jwick 02-12-2015 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 3109912)
His car hasn't been making 600+ for that long. I believe he was pushing mid 500s for most of those miles before he turned the boost up

True statement. It was pushing around 580ish for most of those miles. Let's also not forget he was running E85 too which is apples and oranges against what a pump gas tune would do.

Back to the regular scheduled program...Nice build and tuning job John!

COSMO 02-12-2015 02:22 PM

Cant wait to see long term like some of these other kits out there... Atleast if something happens down the road Im sure john will be ready to sell you a built motor...

blackonorange 02-15-2015 05:39 PM

I'm wondering how they were able to extract thatch more power out of 9.5 psi when the other kits on the market are around 12-13 psi at that power level. Does Aam flow that much more air on the intake side? I guess there's a couple different factors when asking about psi including exhaust and tuning. Did I answer my own question?

phunk 02-15-2015 05:58 PM

There are 3 typical ways to make more power per PSI.

-Colder Air
-Improving natural airflow through the entire system as a whole (often referred to as Volumetric Efficiency)
-Tuning

Tuning is sort of obvious. More efficient & optimized tuning will produce greater power output given the same quantity of air and fuel. Being on pump gas, I would take a guess that it is not tuned very aggressive.

Airflow is most likely where most of this is coming from. A turbo that flows better on the exhaust side will cause less restriction of airflow through the engine system as a whole, in the same fashion a better flowing exhaust system will; therefore lowering boost pressure at the same airflow. Airflow is airflow, boost is the measurement of how much the airflow through the engine is being restricted between the turbocharger compressors and the engine cylinders. If you increase airflow through the engine, such as a higher flowing exhaust (or higher flowing turbo hot-side), boost pressure will go lower even though the airflow (thus power) remain just as high. Although if you want to be technical, a wastegate is regulating boost pressure not airflow, so you would have to turn down the boost to keep the power the same after improving airflow through the engine.

Temperature is a small factor here, since lower boost means less heat generated through compression, translating to lower intake temps, denser air, greater power. So this is basically a compounding effect of a turbocharger that flows better on its hot side... I would guess making a rather minor contribution since we are only looking at a few psi difference.

Super Werty 02-15-2015 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 3112620)
I'm wondering how they were able to extract thatch more power out of 9.5 psi when the other kits on the market are around 12-13 psi at that power level. Does Aam flow that much more air on the intake side? I guess there's a couple different factors when asking about psi including exhaust and tuning. Did I answer my own question?

Don't forget too we're talking about different dynos on different sides of the country with different conditions etc etc etc. As I have said before... Wait for a trap speed and then we'll see what this kit is made of...

TerribleONE 02-15-2015 08:09 PM

:wtf2:

ROBERT1183 02-15-2015 09:06 PM

That dyno might read high. All the other cars Aam have built including mine are right around 550 depending on exhaust. I made 501whp with a 2.5 inch ark system. With a new custom 3 inch system from Aam I made about 540-550whp. And that was at the same psi

thangcu35 02-16-2015 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROBERT1183 (Post 3112728)
That dyno might read high. All the other cars Aam have built including mine are right around 550 depending on exhaust. I made 501whp with a 2.5 inch ark system. With a new custom 3 inch system from Aam I made about 540-550whp. And that was at the same psi

Are you using their Borg Warner EFR turbos?

thangcu35 02-16-2015 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 3112693)
Don't forget too we're talking about different dynos on different sides of the country with different conditions etc etc etc. As I have said before... Wait for a trap speed and then we'll see what this kit is made of...

While I agree that trap speed does speak of power to weight, dont you think track conditions such as air temp, elevation and baro pressure play a factor in the trap speed for that particular day and setup? Hell even powershifting will add 2-3 more mph, so unless its the same driver its not even comparable. That's why even in stock form, there are varying trap speed and 1/4 times across the country. I tend to trust "Dynojet" more than trap speed or any other dyno simply because the operator has no control over the input of variables. I have tested 3 dynojets on previous cars that I tuned and they all read within 2-3% with temps and baro pressures varying from summer to winter.

Super Werty 02-16-2015 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thangcu35 (Post 3112967)
While I agree that trap speed does speak of power to weight, dont you think track conditions such as air temp, elevation and baro pressure play a factor in the trap speed for that particular day and setup? Hell even powershifting will add 2-3 more mph, so unless its the same driver its not even comparable. That's why even in stock form, there are varying trap speed and 1/4 times across the country. I tend to trust "Dynojet" more than trap speed or any other dyno simply because the operator has no control over the input of variables. I have tested 3 dynojets on previous cars that I tuned and they all read within 2-3% with temps and baro pressures varying from summer to winter.

Well in a perfect world I would like to see turbo kits side by side in a 60 roll.

But a trap speed to me is more important than dyno numbers. I want my Z to trap 130+

phunk 02-16-2015 11:43 AM

As much as many people like to hate on roll racing... it really is the best way to isolate a cars power-to-weight for a race. Starting high enough, you can disregard nearly all of the massive variables contributed by tires, suspension, grip, driver experience, and more. Even the 1/4 mile is a tough judge unless the car gets a really clean pass... and good luck finding anyone with a high power 370z that is willing to say they are satisfied with their best 1/4 pass. Youre either wheel hopping for 200 feet, burning tires for 150, or banging the rev limiter in 4th 100 feet shy, assuming you didnt screw up the 1-2 shift that comes up in what feels like the first 12 feet with the all-motor 300hp style gearing.


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