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theDreamer 05-03-2010 08:00 PM

Looking forward to your results, a bit concerned now about getting these and having the rubbing issue(s).

Prosport Gauges 05-03-2010 08:25 PM

:p the latches are right. looking at the car left is left and right is right. ;)

kenchan 05-03-2010 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_west06 (Post 523534)
Im going to check our 370z. We couldnt find any rubbing. deff going to look for this tomorrow. good review, will be passing this off to the tech guys so they can look over a few things.

Both suby and nissan use the same length damper. I will be looking at the packaging tomorrow.

i think the primary reason why your test car didn't appear to rub is because your tech removed the seal and fender cover ledge entirely from the ball joint aft. :tiphat:

then the plastic cover just flexes downwards freely when it gets pushed down by the damper housing.

it's not bad though. im a pretty picky guy and this is still okay for me.

theDreamer 05-03-2010 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 523570)
i think the primary reason why your test car didn't appear to rub is because your tech removed the seal and fender cover ledge entirely from the ball joint aft. :tiphat:

then the plastic cover just flexes downwards freely when it gets pushed down by the damper housing.

it's not bad though. im a pretty picky guy and this is still okay for me.

So you think with removing the full rubber piece will not cause rubbing?

kenchan 05-03-2010 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_west06 (Post 523563)
:p the latches are right. looking at the car left is left and right is right. ;)

really? cause i looked at your picture when i installed (how my car is).

curious me even tried it the way it was labeled and it would not fit at all. :icon17:

theDreamer 05-03-2010 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 523578)
really? cause i looked at your picture when i installed (how my car is).

curious me even tried it the way it was labeled and it would not fit at all. :icon17:

Which way was left for you? Passenger side or driver side?

ZPirate 05-03-2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 523570)
i think the primary reason why your test car didn't appear to rub is because your tech removed the seal and fender cover ledge entirely from the ball joint aft. :tiphat:

then the plastic cover just flexes downwards freely when it gets pushed down by the damper housing.

it's not bad though. im a pretty picky guy and this is still okay for me.

That seems logical, but I would rather not have to remove but a small piece of the seal like you did.

kenchan 05-03-2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 523574)
So you think with removing the full rubber piece will not cause rubbing?

i think the cover (battery/brake cover surround piece) is still rubbing but it can flex more freely so you'll have less bulge. this is just my guess but it makes sense if you saw how the car is put together.

kenchan 05-03-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZPirate (Post 523590)
That seems logical, but I would rather not have to remove but a small piece of the seal like you did.

yah, me too.

theDreamer 05-03-2010 08:46 PM

I will see what I can do when I get mine in, I still have my stock pieces to compare to and removing the rubber is not a huge concern unless I find issues closing/opening the hood.

kenchan 05-03-2010 09:06 PM

just becareful when you're pulling down the hood from full-open position so that you dont work against the dampers too much initially. once the dampers start compressing it will be very smooth and the hood will shut like normal.

once you unlatch and pull up the hood to open, it opens pretty quickly so might want to keep a hand on it just in case so you dont upper-cut yourself. :D

theDreamer 05-03-2010 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 523633)
just becareful when you're pulling down the hood from full-open position so that you dont work against the dampers too much initially. once the dampers start compressing it will be very smooth and the hood will shut like normal.

once you unlatch and pull up the hood to open, it opens pretty quickly so might want to keep a hand on it just in case so you dont upper-cut yourself. :D

Will make note of that, will try to slowly close the hood and run some grease or something to see exactly how much is touching and if there is any quick solution.

Modshack 05-03-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZPirate (Post 523520)
Kenchan thanks for the write up and the pictures. Not sure I like the slight hood buldge though. .

Don't worry! we'll figure it out..

theDreamer 05-04-2010 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 523779)
Don't worry! we'll figure it out..

Looking forward to seeing what you do Modshack.

jpit 05-04-2010 10:04 AM

Yes, looking forward to another Modshack mod.

kenchan 05-04-2010 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 523581)
Which way was left for you? Passenger side or driver side?

passenger side is right for me an driver side is the left.

kenchan 05-04-2010 11:24 AM

looking at the slight bulge i had yesterday, this am it's pretty much gone. the plastic cover settled in quite a bit (6mm down from the fender cover ledge).

also after about 20 cycles opening/closing it seems the damper is broken in and it opens more consistently than before...meaning it's not an abrupt pop open to punch you in the chin. :D

im happy with it. im just going to leave it be for now. :p thanks again ryan!

Prosport Gauges 05-04-2010 11:35 AM

No problem man. Glad things worked out. thanks for the review.

Looked over the packaging also. Everything is good now.

oh and btw i looked at our Z and there is no buldge...:happydance:

You need the rears also! another review maybe LOL

kenchan 05-04-2010 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_west06 (Post 524384)
You need the rears also! another review maybe LOL

:icon18: wat are you doing to me? :tup:

Prosport Gauges 05-04-2010 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 524413)
:icon18: wat are you doing to me? :tup:

PM me so we can talk about the rears ;)

waaaasabi 05-04-2010 01:55 PM

Haha I just ordered the rears this morning; I can do a review when I get them:tiphat:

NewYorkJon34 05-04-2010 02:04 PM

I'll prob order the front since it's an improvment & looks cool, but what's the point of the rears if we already have it stock? I'm guessing it's just for looks, or does it weight less? Is it real carbon fiber btw?

Vegitto-kun 05-04-2010 02:15 PM

good. means I don't need to do a DIY now.

I will have to do this when my parents are out because my dad would kill me if he saw I cut a piece of the car

kenchan 05-04-2010 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waaaasabi (Post 524532)
Haha I just ordered the rears this morning; I can do a review when I get them:tiphat:


all yours, buddy! :tiphat:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewYorkJon34 (Post 524543)
I'll prob order the front since it's an improvment & looks cool, but what's the point of the rears if we already have it stock? I'm guessing it's just for looks, or does it weight less? Is it real carbon fiber btw?


yah, it's an aesthetic thing. i dont plan on doing the rears. i RARELY open the hatch anyway. i dont use the car during the week so... the CF is real CF, i think. it's like a millimeter thick and they look real nice.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegitto-kun (Post 524559)
good. means I don't need to do a DIY now.

I will have to do this when my parents are out because my dad would kill me if he saw I cut a piece of the car

so you're just a kid living at your parent's house getting pushed around by dad? the hell, little one. you need to behave. :tup:

kenchan 05-04-2010 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_west06 (Post 524523)
PM me so we can talk about the rears ;)

yah, next thing you know you suckered me into buying a CF clip board and CF pens and CF this and that. :icon17: i will not fall in to this trap. ;)

Prosport Gauges 05-04-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 524613)
yah, next thing you know you suckered me into buying a CF clip board and CF pens and CF this and that. :icon17: i will not fall in to this trap. ;)

BAHAHA, we do have CF catch cans! shhh...

Vegitto-kun 05-04-2010 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 524612)
all yours, buddy! :tiphat:




yah, it's an aesthetic thing. i dont plan on doing the rears. i RARELY open the hatch anyway. i dont use the car during the week so... the CF is real CF, i think. it's like a millimeter thick and they look real nice.





so you're just a kid living at your parent's house getting pushed around by dad? the hell, little one. you need to behave. :tup:

Well he did pay for half of the car so yeaaaah. he doesn't really like me messing around with it :roflpuke2:

kenchan 05-04-2010 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 523779)
Don't worry! we'll figure it out..

here you go... the shaft was also hitting the fender lip ledge so bent it down. i tried adding some
spacers on the ball joint post but only helps marginally.

http://www.the370z.com/members/kench...fender-lip.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/kench...r-lip-down.jpg


the root cause of the rubbing is the damper housing is still rubbing the battery cover surround...
this you'd need to make a new bracket for the hood side, i thinks.

updated the DIY section as well. :)

Vegitto-kun 05-05-2010 03:40 AM

These problems are really starting to scare me

kenchan 05-05-2010 07:12 AM

Because you're a novice wimp? :D
We need to change your name to Virgin-kun. Hahaha ;)


Fitment issues is normal for modding cars. Doing work arounds is usual stuff. After I bent that lip ledge thingie down its been a lot better. If you remove the battery cover id be even better. I might just remove the battery cover and surround all together, but keep the rubber seal strip as is.

The damper is very convenient for me cause I pop the hood often to connect my battery manager during the week. :p

Prosport Gauges 05-05-2010 08:06 AM

Kenchan, thanks for the update. we will be looking at this also. I know what you mean we have to work around things. Even if we made the strut part smaller in length i think the silver part of the strut will still hit that fender piece.

I noticed in the last pic in your review the hood looks perfect! :)

Modshack 05-05-2010 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 523591)
i think the cover (battery/brake cover surround piece) is still rubbing but it can flex more freely so you'll have less bulge. this is just my guess but it makes sense if you saw how the car is put together.

Mine came in today. I also have a few pre-fabbed ball plates coming to relocate the fender ball in toward the engine a bit (outside the trim) so there won't be rubbing on the plastic battery cover or need for any tweaking/modification. These should be here tomorrow or Fri. so I'll play around with a few alternative mount points and let everyone know.....Should be a simple, inexpensive mod..

theDreamer 05-05-2010 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 526269)
Mine came in today. I also have a few pre-fabbed ball plates coming to relocate the fender ball in toward the engine a bit (outside the trim) so there won't be rubbing on the plastic battery cover or need for any tweaking/modification. These should be here tomorrow or Fri. so I'll play around with a few alternative mount points and let everyone know.....Should be a simple, inexpensive mod..

Mine arrived today also, and I am going to wait to install until I see your results. What you bought I assume is something we can all just buy anywhere or are you going to "tweak" those pieces also?

kenchan 05-05-2010 08:25 PM

Modshack-sounds good. I'm curious if your mod can clear the battery cover side (housing side of the damper) cause that's where it rubs most. The stackup requires about another 10mm so relocating the hood side ball joint could potentially help too...unless one just removes the battery cover and surround completely.

The shaft side not so much rubbing...maybe 3mm clearance is all I needed so bending that ledge down helped.

Anyway I'm interested what you come up with. :p

Prosport Gauges 05-05-2010 08:27 PM

We can also make the pieces modshack is talking about but we looked at this already...

but looking over kenchan last hood shot, it seems fine :) just had to move the cover over a hair

kenchan 05-05-2010 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 526303)
Mine arrived today also, and I am going to wait to install until I see your results. What you bought I assume is something we can all just buy anywhere or are you going to "tweak" those pieces also?

Reconfirming once again you're a wimp. :D ;)

Just do it... try it and come up with ideas. I want to see and try other's ideas although mine is looking pretty damn perfect right now using nothing but ryan's kit. :p if I have the last 2-3% would be 100% perfect.

theDreamer 05-05-2010 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 526319)
Reconfirming once again you're a wimp. :D ;)

Just do it... try it and come up with ideas. I want to see and try other's ideas although mine is looking pretty damn perfect right now using nothing but ryan's kit. :p if I have the last 2-3% would be 100% perfect.

I will still take them into work with me tomorrow because at lunch as become my simple mod time lately. My friend & I might still do it, plus it will give us a chance to see if they fit or not and can come back and help with our results.

Prosport Gauges 05-05-2010 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 526319)
Reconfirming once again you're a wimp. :D ;)

Just do it... try it and come up with ideas. I want to see and try other's ideas although mine is looking pretty damn perfect right now using nothing but ryan's kit. :p if I have the last 2-3% would be 100% perfect.

thanks homie :tup:

kenchan 05-05-2010 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 526325)
I will still take them into work with me tomorrow because at lunch as become my simple mod time lately. My friend & I might still do it, plus it will give us a chance to see if they fit or not and can come back and help with our results.

While I had the damper off the car to bend the ledge I even did a revert to stock look on my DIY just in case someone doesn't like the mod. It looks pretty much factory so there's really no risk.

And the hood can take quite a beating before it bends so don't think it's as fragile as you may think. If you have a CF hood, you're on your own. :D

ZPirate 05-05-2010 08:56 PM

Modshack, as we discussed earlier here are a couple of pictures of the lower mount on my CTD dampers on the 350Z. After looking at my 350Z kit I'm with you it looks like the lower mounting point for the ball on the 370Z kit needs to be moved in toward the engine.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...e/100_0833.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...e/100_0831.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...e/100_0828.jpg


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