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Rob@TSM 04-28-2014 04:26 PM

TSM makes 357RWHP NA on a Stock Longblock VQ37
 
For those of you that may not know me, or TopSpeed Motorsports. I encourage you to check this our as well. http://www.the370z.com/introduction/71910-topspeed-motorsports-introduction.html

We recently had the opportunity to complete a very interesting Naturally Aspirated project on a customer's 2012 Nismo 370Z. Allison (allystephy on here) pretty much gave me free reign on the project, her only request being that I make more Naturally Aspirated power than I previously had while working at Z1. My previous best was low-mid 340's on pump gas, and high 340's on E85, needless to say, after a little more R&D on the VQ37 we made it happen.

Modifications include:
TSM Modified aFe Intakes
TSM Fuel system upgrade
TSM Proprietary Modifcations
Z1 Headers
Tomei Test Pipes
Tomei Ti Cat-back exhaust
TSM Dyno Tuning with VVEL Calibration

I believe this to be the highest HP ever recorded by a Stock Longblock Naturally Aspirated 370Z/G37 on a Dynojet.


This car made 346rwhp on our in house DynoJet on 93 Octane pump gas.
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5ac35eb0.jpg

357rwhp on E85
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd6556d0c.jpg


Here's a comparison to a stock Nismo 370Z we previously dynoed.
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse3b0cfed.jpg


Stock Vs Pump Vs E85
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps83a83ea7.jpg

Video
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...pspanq5nuc.jpg

jpritche 04-28-2014 04:29 PM

Great job Rob!

Jordo! 04-28-2014 04:32 PM

What were the run conditions and the actual correction factor value(s) for those runs?

On that note, what are the values for SAE?

Rob@TSM 04-28-2014 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2798657)
What were the run conditions and the actual correction factor value(s) for those runs?

On that note, what are the values for SAE?

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps59a8b7f3.jpg

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps36e40871.jpg

Megan370z 04-28-2014 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob@TSM (Post 2798673)

Baseline 272
tuned 340 (93octane)
only a gain of 68whp with tuned VVEL and a secret mod ?
hehe :tup:

I had he same result of 68whp without a truly tuned exhaust and VVEL on 91octane 2 year ago before I blew the engine.

I'm not bashing you guys but this show my point right there...

There is quite more still to be gained in N/A form with the stock VVEL engine.

Rob@TSM 04-28-2014 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megan370z (Post 2798694)
Baseline 272
tuned 340 (93octane)
only a gain of 68whp with tuned VVEL and a secret mod ?
hehe :tup:

I had he same result of 68whp without a truly tuned exhaust and VVEL on 91octane 2 year ago before I blew the engine.

I'm not bashing you guys but this show my point right there...

There is quite more still to be gained in N/A form with the stock VVEL engine.

Anyone can make a baseline number low, the baseline number I posted is a representation of a legitimate test of power of a stock car, and actually under better conditions that the modified runs. People seem to have a much harder time making legitimate power on modified 370Zs.

Megan370z 04-28-2014 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob@TSM (Post 2798707)
Anyone can make a baseline number low, the baseline number I posted is a representation of a legitimate test of power of a stock car, and actually under better conditions that the modified runs. People seem to have a much harder time making legitimate power on modified 370Zs.

I didn't argue with you btw. and 272 is about what Ive seem a Nismo run on a dynojet (a bit low but close). so yeah I do believe the end result without a doubt.
The major point I was bringing was there is still more to be gained.

Rob@TSM 04-28-2014 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megan370z (Post 2798711)
I didn't argue with you btw. and 272 is about what Ive seem a Nismo run on a dynojet (a bit low but close). so yeah I do believe the end result without a doubt.
The major point I was bringing was there is still more to be gained.

Of course, there always is. I have no doubt this same car will make 360+ under better conditions and a little more tuning, which will happen in the very near future.

Jordo! 04-28-2014 05:14 PM

The CF values are a tad on the high side (STD must have been 1.05 - 1.07), but those are still very impressive gains.

Hmm. I'm thinking some serious massaging of the TB's and intake porting must have been involved... with larger diameters and pnp I bet there's plenty to be milked with VVEL tuning.

Rob@TSM 04-28-2014 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2798720)
The CF values are a tad on the high side (STD must have been 1.05 - 1.07), but those are still very impressive gains.

Hmm. I'm thinking some serious massaging of the TB's and intake porting must have been involved... with larger diameters and pnp I bet there's plenty to be milked with VVEL tuning.

Proper VVEL Tuning resulted in a large gain, STD was 1.05. Uncorrected was 340, but conditions on the dyno were horrible that day.

6MT-Z34 04-28-2014 05:19 PM

Those are good numbers!!....it would be nice if you guys make some headers that can bolt up to other non z1 pipes and exhaust

Jordo! 04-28-2014 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob@TSM (Post 2798723)
Proper VVEL Tuning resulted in a large gain, STD was 1.05. Uncorrected was 340, but conditions on the dyno were horrible that day.

Again, very impressive. A cold day and you guys will definitely see over 360.

Was the VVEL tuning with uprev or ECUtek?

EDIT: Sorry, you answered this in the other thread -- uprev.

Well, my hats off you -- looking forward to more results :tiphat:

Yutnaka 04-28-2014 05:52 PM

Impressive, Rob!

Eclipz 04-28-2014 10:27 PM

Is that a 350Z exhaust?

Specifically, EXPREME?

synolimit 04-29-2014 01:42 AM

Will you not give deets on the mods? Kinda vague if someone wants to duplicate.

From what I see its a intake (modded:confused: ?), fuel system (255 and injectors? but shouldn't have an effect on the 93 gas run), possibly ported everything? , header, TP, and CBE, yet like 20-30 more than anyone else on average (talking about the 93 SAE run). Either you tune what others can't or if you did port, it opened up a world of extra power. Or possibly both. What am I missing?

PS I can't find a flaw like from most tuners/manufactures so hats off to you.

synolimit 04-29-2014 02:43 AM

Anyone else agree that 7900 rpm is to high specially since it bounced off the rev limiter and lost power after 7500? Seems scary knowing some have blown up there. Megan what was your rpm at?

Megan370z 04-29-2014 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2799198)
Anyone else agree that 7900 rpm is to high specially since it bounced off the rev limiter and lost power after 7500? Seems scary knowing some have blown up there. Megan what was your rpm at?

I was just unlucky and getting oil starvation which isn't the same.
I wouldn't be afraid to rev again to 7900 if I had the VVEL engine back in. (rev limit was 8050 and used only when needed.) ;)

carlitos_370z 04-29-2014 06:19 AM

damn i want my car with that powaaaaa :tup:

ZKraken22 04-29-2014 07:35 AM

Nice... TSM is my fav shop. They do good work on GT-R's wanna see a 370z with swap 350z heads and cams

Meulen 04-29-2014 07:49 AM

Nice! will you be making proprietary components/mods of this kit available to the public?

6MT-Z34 04-29-2014 07:53 AM

I think what most important here (after highest NA HP) is the fact that you can bolt on to your own exhaust and pipes...this will create a bigger client base since ppl won't have to go change their setup ...it might have some small variations in output but I'm sure a lot will appreciate the fact that they can keep their exhaust that they payed a lot of $$$ for.

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jaytirbhaw 04-29-2014 09:17 AM

Sick car and awesome gains. Love seeing this kind of stuff coming out of the Atlanta area.

speedfreek 04-29-2014 01:59 PM

I am curious as to what was modified on the intakes. Did you just enlarge the opening where the tubes go through to the front bumper so it is unobstructed airflow similar to the Stillen G3?

That Tomei :yum:

allystephy 04-29-2014 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 2799963)
I am curious as to what was modified on the intakes. Did you just enlarge the opening where the tubes go through to the front bumper so it is unobstructed airflow similar to the Stillen G3?

That Tomei :yum:

video for the tomei
youtube ZAtlanta exhaust competition she is at 4mins

synolimit 04-29-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megan370z (Post 2799251)
I was just unlucky and getting oil starvation which isn't the same.
I wouldn't be afraid to rev again to 7900 if I had the VVEL engine back in. (rev limit was 8050 and used only when needed.) ;)

O gotcha.

black_sedan 04-29-2014 05:03 PM

There's nothing mentioned about an intake manifold. I'd be interested in a TSM intake manifold if it puts down more power than the z1 and m370 manifolds.

speedfreek 04-29-2014 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by black_sedan (Post 2800244)
There's nothing mentioned about an intake manifold. I'd be interested in a TSM intake manifold if it puts down more power than the z1 and m370 manifolds.

It's likely covered under the TSM Proprietary Mods as he was the one behind the Z1 manifold mod.

Eclipz 04-29-2014 11:58 PM

Did you use stock cams?

G37Sam 04-30-2014 12:22 AM

Come on TSM, show us that Stillen S/C haha

edub370 04-30-2014 07:48 AM

sooo my main question. are we gonna get access to any of the stuff that made these numbers possible? or is this something just to get TSM's name out and about for now?

FPenvy 04-30-2014 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2800912)
sooo my main question. are we gonna get access to any of the stuff that made these numbers possible? or is this something just to get TSM's name out and about for now?

edub i got you.

is the girl who owns this Z good looking? if so i'll get the info out of her :yum:

:tiphat:

jaytirbhaw 04-30-2014 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2800912)
sooo my main question. are we gonna get access to any of the stuff that made these numbers possible? or is this something just to get TSM's name out and about for now?

I believe he mentioned in another thread he would be willing to sell any part of the package to interested parties, but won't release specific details for the competition to replicate

Chuck33079 04-30-2014 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaytirbhaw (Post 2800924)
I believe he mentioned in another thread he would be willing to sell any part of the package to interested parties, but won't release specific details for the competition to replicate

See, that's the catch. I'm interested and curious about how it would work on a boosted application, but I'm not going to put something on my car if I don't know what's been done to it or why.

Sh0velMan 04-30-2014 08:45 AM

Seems fishy to me.

What parts are for sale, how much, what kind of gains can be expected? Without this info this reads as, at best, a bragging thread for a one-off lucky build. At worst, dyno manipulation for big numbers.

allystephy 04-30-2014 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2800915)
edub i got you.

is the girl who owns this Z good looking? if so i'll get the info out of her :yum:

:tiphat:

You will never get the info out of me :yum:

FPenvy 04-30-2014 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allystephy (Post 2800988)
You will never get the info out of me :yum:

is that a challenege? :yum:

i'm sure i could pump you for some information :tiphat:

DIGItonium 04-30-2014 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2800990)
is that a challenege? :yum:

i'm sure i could pump you for some information :tiphat:

http://images.rapgenius.com/dhirjriv....640x362x1.jpg

FPenvy 04-30-2014 08:52 AM

glad soemone got it lol

synolimit 04-30-2014 10:02 AM

I see porting being done. Not rocket science to me, only one way to skin a cat. Not sure why he mentions Z1 not being able to do as good of a job as him and making less power but my porter will take as little or as much as I say. Maybe I'm missing something but soon IPS and I will have the whole system ported out with tuning. I'm at 295hp with similar mods on a dynojet with SAE correction. Since he posted 340hp SAE it looks like we have 45hp to make up with a tune and ported intake system. If we don't make it there could be differences within the tune. I say anything within 10hp would be a fair equivalent.

Meulen 04-30-2014 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2801093)
I see porting being done. Not rocket science to me, only one way to skin a cat. Not sure why he mentions Z1 not being able to do as good of a job as him and making less power but my porter will take as little or as much as I say. Maybe I'm missing something but soon IPS and I will have the whole system ported out with tuning. I'm at 295hp with similar mods on a dynojet with SAE correction. Since he posted 340hp SAE it looks like we have 45hp to make up with a tune and ported intake system. If we don't make it there could be differences within the tune. I say anything within 10hp would be a fair equivalent.

I think you missed the part where he said he learned some new tricks working with the new company. Sounds to me like he improved on the process from Z1, which makes sense! There's gotta be more potential HP out of these motors NA'd!!


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