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FPenvy 05-07-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2809601)
GA doesn't have the market cornered on heat and humidity. Trap speed would tell a lot more than one overcorrected dyno plot with a baseline from another car no matter what outside temps are.

yea come to PA lol worlds most diverse climate. this winter we had a month where we didnt break 0 and in summer it'll be 90's and 100% humidity :shakes head: FML just thinking about it lol thank you 34 row oil cooler.

Megan370z 05-07-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2809569)
What concerns me is that we are being shown a before dyno of 272 (correct me if I am wrong) and an after dyno of 361 (again, correct me if I am wrong) which means we are looking at a supposed gain of 89 RWHP. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. These are either dyno sheets of 2 different cars and/or they were taken at 2 different periods of time. Show me the before dyno of the same car and the after dyno of the same car taken on the same day (or close to it) with all the other factors being the same, and then let's talk turkey.
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In my opinion and the testing Ive done in the pass tells me there is much more the VVEL engine can give than what we been used to..

I mostly always did a (before / after) after each modification and its has been repeatable every time.

2 years ago I managed a gain of 68whp and with the current knowledge that we gathered for the pass year . I have no doubt about this 80+gain especially with E85 which proved gain in N/A form same with good race gas, also add the fact the VVEL is now fully tunable by Pro Tuner which can add quite a bit depending on your intake/exhaust setup

at 360whp their 3'' single is actually restricting the flow just saying.

jwick 05-07-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2809590)
372,385-390? do you mean 272, 285-290 i'm guessing?

seems like anyone with GA or ATL in their location spot are the ones backing all this. either it is something with the location or just friends helping friends lol

I need to get on that dyno. I'd probably make 550whp :rofl2:

TheBoomSpoon 05-07-2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2809563)
yea well first step in this is for them to talk about what is even being done with it and help out the community....which this is.

trap speed would be cool to see. it better be big for all this talk and "high" numbers. i mean with my tiny WHP i trapped pretty high a few times for N/A. interested to see if this will ever be shown.

You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

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TheBoomSpoon 05-07-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Megan370z (Post 2809637)
In my opinion and the testing Ive done in the pass tells me there is much more the VVEL engine can give than what we been used to..

I mostly always did a (before / after) after each modification and its has been repeatable every time.

2 years ago I managed a gain of 68whp and with the current knowledge that we gathered for the pass year . I have no doubt about this 80+gain especially with E85 which proved gain in N/A form same with good race gas, also add the fact the VVEL is now fully tunable by Pro Tuner which can add quite a bit depending on your intake/exhaust setup

at 360whp their 3'' single is actually restricting the flow just saying.

E85 always the unmentioned mod. Larger injectors and whatever else is required for e85 simply isnt normally in the heads of ppl when we think NA 370z.

Waych yhe 360 whp car do the qtt at 12.6 - 12.7 only then to be told, oh yeah i have 4.08 gears.

Plus manual vs auto effecys dyno #s i was told m370 affects my peak hp (lower), my point a million variables, spend 20 bucks and jam it down the qtr. Im no drag expert and at least in the 7at its pretty damn easy

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FPenvy 05-07-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon (Post 2809747)
You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

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yes 110.74 and i'm on stock gears.

TheBoomSpoon 05-17-2014 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2809765)
yes 110.74 and i'm on stock gears.

Me too but its stupid difficult to go 4.08 on the 7at. Nobody wants anything to with that project so im stock gear also. Was told i would have to buy another quaife for manual after doing gears sincr the onr i have for auto id need to sell or eat it.



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synolimit 05-18-2014 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon (Post 2809747)
You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

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I was 106.5 with just a CBE with some gutting. I'm at least 15hp more now with another 50-100lbs lost. You saying gears will provide faster traps without more power?

TheBoomSpoon 05-18-2014 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2823271)
I was 106.5 with just a CBE with some gutting. I'm at least 15hp more now with another 50-100lbs lost. You saying gears will provide faster traps without more power?

i would think so but i may be completely wrong, i just drive it.

If i had manual though getting 4.08 would be my first mod before adding power because thats significant butt dyno u will feel

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synolimit 05-18-2014 04:35 AM

My "secret sauce" will be done soon but I'll share.

OEM TB- 2.6" to 2.35" to 2.39".
New TB- 2.6" to 2.55" all the way through.

OEM mani ported to 2.55" at the TB connection and smoothed out runners port matched to the lower mani. Lower mani port and polished as much as possible.

Lowest base I have is 280hp 226tq on a dynojet SAE with rpf1 18" wheels with light weight tires (like 12lbs off OEM), custom cai with OEM accordion post MAF tubes, and topspeed pro 1 true dual CBE with added 18" vibrant resonators.

Then 295hp 243tq same dyno SAE with added Z1 MAF post tubes, muffler delete, Helmholtz resonators added to the X pipe, and ebay LTH wrapped.

Soon will be port and polished TB's and mani's with a tune.

Then maybe later e85, ID 1000's and a walbro 255 with retune.

I'll always do SAE but maybe I'll do a STD to show a difference from our DJ to Z1 and TSM since their two read so much higher than everyone else. If I can't reach 230hp, Z1 and TSM are aiding the dyno numbers. Since both dyno's have had the same tuner involved working on them, I smell something fishy unless I can show similar results.

TheBoomSpoon 05-18-2014 10:31 AM

Ok sounds likr alot.

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Elmo370z 05-19-2014 08:02 PM

Hey Rob @ TSM, I have a thread on here about the VQ making 400whp, do you think it is possible on a NA set up?

Megan370z 05-19-2014 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2823338)
My "secret sauce" will be done soon but I'll share.

OEM TB- 2.6" to 2.35" to 2.39".
New TB- 2.6" to 2.55" all the way through.OEM mani ported to 2.55" at the TB connection and smoothed out runners port matched to the lower mani. Lower mani port and polished as much as possible.

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Good luck with 2.55 ID on the OEM TB....

the inlet wall at mid-way from the butterfly and the entry is quite thin and I doubt very much its feasible or safe !!


cant wait to see your own result ! ;)

370Z JT 05-19-2014 09:53 PM

I've read both Jun and Mines bore theirs to 62mm. Will be interesting if Maxbore can do 65mm.

Z eliminator 05-20-2014 07:23 AM

I only make 304 to (309 RWHP best pull) SAE with bolt ons and 4.08 gears and its a 7 AT.
with motordye 360 intake. it made 2 RWHP more than the stock intake
94 octane
114.7 is my best trap
12.343 best time.
based line was 264 rwhp.
I wish that it could have 360 + rwhp.
the dyno was a dyno jet. elevation 312 ft.
I think that your RWHP #'s are way too high.

Z

synolimit 05-20-2014 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Megan370z (Post 2825542)
Good luck with 2.55 ID on the OEM TB....

the inlet wall at mid-way from the butterfly and the entry is quite thin and I doubt very much its feasible or safe !!


cant wait to see your own result ! ;)

I'm just going off Maxbore. Maybe he's never done one, maybe he's done a lot. Time will tell.

Megan370z 05-20-2014 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2826035)
I only make 304 to (309 RWHP best pull) SAE with bolt ons and 4.08 gears and its a 7 AT.
with motordye 360 intake. it made 2 RWHP more than the stock intake
94 octane
114.7 is my best trap
12.343 best time.
based line was 264 rwhp.
I wish that it could have 360 + rwhp.
the dyno was a dyno jet. elevation 312 ft.
I think that your RWHP #'s are way too high.

Z

the lower you FD gear is, the lower the whp is shown on the dynojet Vs the normal 3.7 stock.
then you probably mean the 350z HR intake ? with its longer intake runner , it wont make more than the VHR intake, this is irrelevant to the higher result from other shop that claim 340+whp

and that 12.343 1/4 was with some uber slick tire. which isn't the usual tire that the average people do...

but I agree it seem like our dyno read quite low VS some of the US one ..
your baseline was 264 whp on a dynojet and mine was 254whp at APH and then 256whp on a dynapack (SG-motorsport now Onpointdyno) I used after each mod... a gain of 68whp on the same dyno before I blew it on the track.

I would love to test my new setup on a VVEL engine!! but will see how much my HR get over them first :stirthepot:

synolimit 05-20-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z JT (Post 2825669)
I've read both Jun and Mines bore theirs to 62mm. Will be interesting if Maxbore can do 65mm.

Well even at 62mm in the middle, OEM at its smallest is only 59.8mm. So its something. My biggest issue is getting the back at 2.39" to 2.5" where there's lots of material from the looks. I just want that connection port matched to the manifolds size.

FPenvy 05-20-2014 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon (Post 2823179)
Me too but its stupid difficult to go 4.08 on the 7at. Nobody wants anything to with that project so im stock gear also. Was told i would have to buy another quaife for manual after doing gears sincr the onr i have for auto id need to sell or eat it.



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yea 4.08 swap isn't too bad just takes a bit of time and money.....and searching for a MT pumpkin to swap in pretty much from what i understand.

too be honest i wouldnt do a swap. maybe if i got really annoyed with not being high enough on the 14/ mile et list and wanted to improve my time. also i could probably drop my time with a better LSD. the stock one is good but has it's limitations.

Sh0velMan 05-20-2014 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2826035)
I only make 304 to (309 RWHP best pull) SAE with bolt ons and 4.08 gears and its a 7 AT.
with motordye 360 intake. it made 2 RWHP more than the stock intake
94 octane
114.7 is my best trap
12.343 best time.
based line was 264 rwhp.
I wish that it could have 360 + rwhp.
the dyno was a dyno jet. elevation 312 ft.
I think that your RWHP #'s are way too high.

Z


Been a long time since we saw a good ole "random quarter mile times post" from you Eliminator.

Good to see you.

Chuck33079 05-20-2014 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2826084)
Been a long time since we saw a good ole "random quarter mile times post" from you Eliminator.

Good to see you.

"Hey guys, look how good my 1/4 mile time was. Disregard the fact it involved killing the car." :rofl2:

fuct 05-20-2014 09:55 AM

and it was 4 years ago...

2011 Nismo#91 05-20-2014 10:09 AM

After seeing two dyno results from different shops/dynos/day for my car and having a 20whp difference I don't see them as an accurate tool for measuring. They are just an essential tool for tuning imo.

Z eliminator 05-20-2014 10:40 AM

The car was " killed " by the uprev RPM limiter setting "
it was set for 8100. and during the burn out it hit 8500 rpm,. I did not react fast enough to the rpm. and it took out the oil pump or the timing chains tensioners in the driver side head.
No idea why it let it hit that rpm.

Chuck33079 05-20-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2826365)
The car was " killed " by the uprev RPM limiter setting "
it was set for 8100. and during the burn out it hit 8500 rpm,. I did not react fast enough to the rpm. and it took out the oil pump or the timing chains tensioners in the driver side head.
No idea why it let it hit that rpm.

Right. So you volunteered for a blown motor with that raised redline. Bravo. Got that GTM motor yet?

Z eliminator 05-20-2014 11:00 AM

I shifted at 8000 all the time. at least 100 to 120 passes down the track, with no problems and it was my daily driver. It never burned a drop of oil or had any mechanical problems.
till the limiter let it hit 8500 rpm.
8000 rpm should not be a problem for this engine.

Z

fuct 05-20-2014 11:01 AM

its stuck in customs Chuck!

Chuck33079 05-20-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2826386)
I shifted at 8000 all the time. at least 100 to 120 passes down the track, with no problems and it was my daily driver. It never burned a drop of oil or had any mechanical problems.
till the limiter let it hit 8500 rpm.
8000 rpm should not be a problem for this engine.

Z

:facepalm:


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