Nissan Motorsports Oil Cooler vs. Stillen Oil Cooler

Dustin@Z1 · 07-30-2009, 06:19 PM

No the $795 is the correct price. I accidentally posted some stupid price of like $1100. I was misreading my sheet.

I have seen kits on other cars installed both ways before too. As far as the purging of the system, the pressure of the oil pump should be able to purge the air. We DID pre-fill the cooler before installation though. I do not recommend installing any oil coolers without doing this.

ResIpsa · 07-30-2009, 07:13 PM

For anyone installing the Nissan Motor Sports cooler in cold climates I suggest purchasing a Mocal thermostatic sandwich plate (around $100).

I was waiting for the Stillen upgrade, but I think I am about to pull the trigger on the Nissan Motor Sports cooler with a Mocal sandwich plate.

Mt Tam I am · 10-08-2010, 09:16 AM

Do I need a thermostat?

I've had my new Nissan Motorsports unit all of one week today and I have noticed a dramatic decrease in oil temps but I also have a new short block so I am under break-in with a 4,000 rpm limitation. I saw temps of 245*F during break-in, on my original engine. Now low 200's.
I've read the entire thread and do not think I need a thermostat for my oil cooler, but I will ask. I live in the California bay area that has only snowed half a dozen times in 30+ years, and it does not last on the ground an hour. Temps range generally from high 40's to mid 80's. Do I need a thermostat? Thank you.

Dustin@Z1 · 10-09-2010, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Do I need a thermostat?

I've had my new Nissan Motorsports unit all of one week today and I have noticed a dramatic decrease in oil temps but I also have a new short block so I am under break-in with a 4,000 rpm limitation. I saw temps of 245*F during break-in, on my original engine. Now low 200's.
I've read the entire thread and do not think I need a thermostat for my oil cooler, but I will ask. I live in the California bay area that has only snowed half a dozen times in 30+ years, and it does not last on the ground an hour. Temps range generally from high 40's to mid 80's. Do I need a thermostat? Thank you.

There are indeed some situations where people may find that they will not need a thermostat. But keep in mind, a thermostat serves TWO purposes:

1) To help regulate the temp and help maintain a proper operating temp (which is what this thread has been about primarily).

2) To help RAISE the temp of your oil quickly and safely (in a controlled manner). You could run without one, but on some cooler mornings you will have to take it easy on driving longer to ensure your oil temps come up to the proper temperature range. The thermostat restricts flow to the oil cooler when shut, bypassing ~80% of the oil back into the engine. This helps keep the warmth of the oil inside of the engine until a desired temp range is achieved.

Mt Tam I am · 10-17-2010, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin@Z1

There are indeed some situations where people may find that they will not need a thermostat. But keep in mind, a thermostat serves TWO purposes:

1) To help regulate the temp and help maintain a proper operating temp (which is what this thread has been about primarily).

2) To help RAISE the temp of your oil quickly and safely (in a controlled manner). You could run without one, but on some cooler mornings you will have to take it easy on driving longer to ensure your oil temps come up to the proper temperature range. The thermostat restricts flow to the oil cooler when shut, bypassing ~80% of the oil back into the engine. This helps keep the warmth of the oil inside of the engine until a desired temp range is achieved.

Thank you. Sorry for the slow response. +1

theDreamer · 07-30-2009, 07:15 PM

What does the sandwich plate do?

ByP · 07-06-2011, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

What does the sandwich plate do?

Make money hungry for lunch

, lol just kidding

Question
How does Motorsports Oil Cooler vs. Stillen Race Oil Cooler pair up?? they also have a race version??

Dustin@Z1 · 07-31-2009, 09:23 AM

It has something similar to a thermostat in your cooling system. It prevents from over cooling your oil.

Although this post has been about lowering your oil temps with the coolers, it is important to remember that you have to also have to heat your oil and maintain a desirable engine oil temp.

The Mocal unit, as well as other similar products, fluctuates the amount of oil passing through the cooler in order to regulate oil temps. The exact same way a thermostat regulates coolant through a radiator.

In the current configurations, both the Stillen and Nissan Motorsports kits will pump oil through the coolers 100% of the time. This is great during warmer months, spirited driving and track applications. But for those of you in the northern climates where you experience freezing temps, you would have to block the cooler to allow oil temps to come to operating temperature.

My only complaint with the Sandwich adapters with the thermostatic switch is that they will have to be replaced eventually like a thermostat in a car. I have not had any experience with the Mocal unit, but I know similar products from companies like Earls and the like are pretty expensive.

ResIpsa · 07-31-2009, 10:46 AM

My only complaint with the Sandwich adapters with the thermostatic switch is that they will have to be replaced eventually like a thermostat in a car. I have not had any experience with the Mocal unit, but I know similar products from companies like Earls and the like are pretty expensive.[/QUOTE]

The Mocal unit is available from Bat. Inc. for $95.

XwChriswX · 07-31-2009, 02:10 PM

Should I get two since I'm in Phoenix and temps here avg 110* in summer and 70* in Winter?

Dustin@Z1 · 07-31-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Should I get two since I'm in Phoenix and temps here avg 110* in summer and 70* in Winter?

Two coolers? Or two sandwich adapters?

I would say no to both questions. 1 Cooler is sufficient and the whole purpose of the thermostat in the Mocal units is to simply aid in controlling oil temps until they reach operating temperature. Once at operating temp, units like Mocal piece are cooling oil in the exact same manner as ones without the thermostat.

The only real benefit of the Sandwich adapters with the thermostat is the fact that oil temps can be maintained at a desired temperature. For you type of climate, I would not think it would be necessary.

370Zsteve · 10-29-2009, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

My only complaint with the Sandwich adapters with the thermostatic switch is that they will have to be replaced eventually like a thermostat in a car. I have not had any experience with the Mocal unit, but I know similar products from companies like Earls and the like are pretty expensive.

The Mocal unit is available from Bat. Inc. for $95.[/QUOTE]

BAT is a great company. I used to use them for mods when I raced a Ford Fiesta back in the day....don't laugh, I used to smoke the GTI's

There are also thermostats that don't reside in the sandwich plate. You can mount one inline, see here:

http://www.batinc.net/thermos.htmp

Pricing here:

http://97.74.103.94/files/thermos$.p...t1=Get+Pricing

Dustin@Z1 · 07-31-2009, 03:26 PM

And btw...those core sizes I promised!

Stillen = 19 row 13" x 1 1/4" x 5 3/4" = 74.62 sq inches of surface area

Nissan Motorsports = 34 row 13" x 1 1/4" x 10 1/4" =133.25 sq inches of surface area

The height of the cooler is the only size differance. But the fact that it is taller. If you do the math, there is 44% increase in surface area between the Stillen and Nissan Motorsports kits and over twice the number of rows.

FricFrac · 07-31-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin@Z1

And btw...those core sizes I promised!

Stillen = 19 row 13" x 1 1/4" x 5 3/4" = 74.62 sq inches of surface area

Nissan Motorsports = 34 row 13" x 1 1/4" x 10 1/4" =133.25 sq inches of surface area

The height of the cooler is the only size differance. But the fact that it is taller. If you do the math, there is 44% increase in surface area between the Stillen and Nissan Motorsports kits and over twice the number of rows.

Stillen (apperently) has a bigger cooler coming out but it seems to be held up at this point in time. Too bad as I'm going to pull the trigger soon on some sort of oil cooler....

afsbimmer · 08-19-2009, 01:35 PM

Dustin - my car is street only; but I enjoy spirited driving. Had the car since April; ready to do an oil cooler after several months of summer driving and high oil temps. What is the warranty on the Nissan oil cooler? Also, what is the impact on the factory warranty? Can you do the installation; if so what is approximate cost? I live in Atlanta; bought the car at Regal Nissan in Roswell.

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Mt Tam I am A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: California Posts: 10,709 Drives: 370Z T/S/N 6MT & XKE Rep Power: 3844	Do I need a thermostat? Do I need a thermostat? I've had my new Nissan Motorsports unit all of one week today and I have noticed a dramatic decrease in oil temps but I also have a new short block so I am under break-in with a 4,000 rpm limitation. I saw temps of 245F during break-in, on my original engine. Now low 200's. I've read the entire thread and do not think I need a thermostat for my oil cooler, but I will ask. I live in the California bay area that has only snowed half a dozen times in 30+ years, and it does not last on the ground an hour. Temps range generally from high 40's to mid 80's. Do I need a thermostat? Thank you. __________________ "Does the carpet match the drapes? NO!!! I don't date bald women." Nissan Motorsports 34R Oil Cooler.* Stillen CBE. Hotchkis Sport Sway Bars. KW Variant 3 Coilover System. Stillen Gen3 CAI. Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Stillen Brake Ducts. Carbotech™ XP10/XP8 Pads. Z1 Front Rotors. Z1 Stainless Brake Lines. Two degrees of camber

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07-30-2009, 06:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dustin@Z1 The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NLA Posts: 1,313 Drives: NLA Rep Power: 19	No the $795 is the correct price. I accidentally posted some stupid price of like $1100. I was misreading my sheet. I have seen kits on other cars installed both ways before too. As far as the purging of the system, the pressure of the oil pump should be able to purge the air. We DID pre-fill the cooler before installation though. I do not recommend installing any oil coolers without doing this.

07-30-2009, 07:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
ResIpsa Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 564 Drives: 09 RACING HEN Rep Power: 339	For anyone installing the Nissan Motor Sports cooler in cold climates I suggest purchasing a Mocal thermostatic sandwich plate (around $100). I was waiting for the Stillen upgrade, but I think I am about to pull the trigger on the Nissan Motor Sports cooler with a Mocal sandwich plate.

07-31-2009, 09:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dustin@Z1 The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NLA Posts: 1,313 Drives: NLA Rep Power: 19	It has something similar to a thermostat in your cooling system. It prevents from over cooling your oil. Although this post has been about lowering your oil temps with the coolers, it is important to remember that you have to also have to heat your oil and maintain a desirable engine oil temp. The Mocal unit, as well as other similar products, fluctuates the amount of oil passing through the cooler in order to regulate oil temps. The exact same way a thermostat regulates coolant through a radiator. In the current configurations, both the Stillen and Nissan Motorsports kits will pump oil through the coolers 100% of the time. This is great during warmer months, spirited driving and track applications. But for those of you in the northern climates where you experience freezing temps, you would have to block the cooler to allow oil temps to come to operating temperature. My only complaint with the Sandwich adapters with the thermostatic switch is that they will have to be replaced eventually like a thermostat in a car. I have not had any experience with the Mocal unit, but I know similar products from companies like Earls and the like are pretty expensive.

07-31-2009, 10:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
ResIpsa Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 564 Drives: 09 RACING HEN Rep Power: 339	My only complaint with the Sandwich adapters with the thermostatic switch is that they will have to be replaced eventually like a thermostat in a car. I have not had any experience with the Mocal unit, but I know similar products from companies like Earls and the like are pretty expensive.[/QUOTE] The Mocal unit is available from Bat. Inc. for $95.

07-31-2009, 03:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dustin@Z1 The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NLA Posts: 1,313 Drives: NLA Rep Power: 19	And btw...those core sizes I promised! Stillen = 19 row 13" x 1 1/4" x 5 3/4" = 74.62 sq inches of surface area Nissan Motorsports = 34 row 13" x 1 1/4" x 10 1/4" =133.25 sq inches of surface area The height of the cooler is the only size differance. But the fact that it is taller. If you do the math, there is 44% increase in surface area between the Stillen and Nissan Motorsports kits and over twice the number of rows.

08-19-2009, 01:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
afsbimmer Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 76 Posts: 12 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z CY M6 Rep Power: 17	Dustin - my car is street only; but I enjoy spirited driving. Had the car since April; ready to do an oil cooler after several months of summer driving and high oil temps. What is the warranty on the Nissan oil cooler? Also, what is the impact on the factory warranty? Can you do the installation; if so what is approximate cost? I live in Atlanta; bought the car at Regal Nissan in Roswell.