It is cheaper to build your own kit. Buy the 25 row setrab core, lines and fittings. This is what I have also.

I donno about the 25, I guess if you can figure out the temp range that works for you and use a blockoff. So far with the ultra-tiny core Stillen ships I haven't had to block mine off in the winter, and it's been sufficient for 15-20 min track sessions with no apparent performance loss.

I have the 25 row and works great. Also have a transmission temp gauge. No complaints.

Yeah 25 seems overkill for the tranny. What size cooler comes with the Stillen kit?

Well it all depends on what you're doing with the car I guess :). I'm pretty sure the Stillen kit ships a 19-row Series 1 (e.g. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...asp?RecID=8935).

its looks smaller then a 19 row. 25 isnt a overkill for FI

Yeah it might be, it's hard to tell through the front grille and I'm not pulling my bumper off tonight. My best guess is it's the 19 though. It's definitely the right width for the little Series 1 sizes though.

.05 is not much when all you do is use the 7AT as a DD.
6MT vs 7AT will go on forever. whats important imo is that the auto guys
don't have to take a back seat anymore when it comes to performance.

the only thing i can say is i think the AT will offer less headaches on upkeep.

I'm torn there. I always trash autos. Never trashed a manual.

I donno, I think in the very long run the 7AT is probably more maintenance hassle. It's just a lot more likely to need a rebuild/replacement. AT's in general are just more failure prone than MTs, there's a lot more moving parts and wear items involved. Add to that the fact that so far you can't even check and change your own fluid on the 7AT due to the Consult-III dealership temp thing.

We'll a 6MT manageable as long as you can creep along. If you have to actually stop every 10-20ft like I've had to do for the past 3 years or so around here; it can be very hard on your leg and car. The 1st gear in these autos is so low that you can creep it along most of the time without hitting the brakes. But, if you have to it's an easy step on the gas without wearing out your left leg if you'd have to clutch a 1000 times on the way home. It was getting that bad on my 25min turned into 1:30 mins return home ride.:shakes head:
Now, I can simply let it creep and hit the brake every so often. It still takes the same 1:30 mins to return home somedays (~2-3 days a week) but, my left leg / knee are not sore when I get home anymore. I figure the auto Z will save me a knee replacement at the very least.

Oh yeah, I had VDC off day before yesterdayand tried this: Shifted to manual mode @ 50 Car went into 5th. Double pulled the -shift paddle punched the gas. Lit up the tires for about 10ft in 3rd while thrusting the car forward with great attority. I didn't expect that. I was truly impressed. It's all about learning what and how to accomplish what you want out of the S7.:ughdance:

Yeah that's like my everyday commute to school. It takes 30 mins if there's no traffic, but most mornings/evenings it takes an hour or longer.

That's brings up others features and quirks worth mentioning that aren't in this thread:

• You can multi-click the paddles before a shift completes and drop down (and presumably up? never tried) multiple gears much faster than waiting for each to complete.
• If you're driving in D-mode, the gear indicator on the dash just shows "D", so if you're not paying careful attention to every little gentle shift you won't know exactly which gear you're in, especially at low speeds/rpms/throttle.
• If D happens to be in gears 1-5, it generally stays in the same gear if you flip the control to M-mode. If D happens to be in 6 or 7, it downshifts to 5 when you flip the control to M-mode.
• You can also use the paddle shifters to temporarily change gears while in D-mode, and it will revert to full-auto after you leave them alone for a bit.
• You can defeat the auto-downshift from 7 -> 5 when switching D -> M at highway cruising speeds by clicking the upshift button first (which goes to temporary manual mode and stays in 7), and then moving the selector to M.

Note: I hardly ever use D-mode, so I could be slightly wrong on details there, but that's what I remember :)

didnt know that
:tiphat:

yep, exactly why I can't do manual anymore. I have a metal plate in my left ankle and driving a m6 in manhattan traffic is torture. the 7at does the job of replicating the fun of the manual just fine

This! Soo much better than flooring it and waiting on the tranny to downshift. When hitting an on ramp just click the left paddle twice and punch it!!

Traffic in a 6MT is not bad at all. You're mostly coasting at 3-5MPH in 1st or 2nd, or slipping the clutch a tad with some quick throttle inputs and letting the car move forward every now and then.

The only reason I hate traffic in my 6MT is because I know the clutch hates it and heats up quite a bit with the non-stop stop-and-go for 45 minutes.