Waiting to Inhale VQ37VHR tuning /modablity

Cmike2780 · 08-30-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

At the level they are classing them it is not really an issue. The class is usually done based on the performance with the competitive drivers behind the wheels. Guys like grant (shamu) helped keep the nismo classed in B due to a good showing. If it was about noob driving, the s wouldn't run b stock.

Is it it safe to assume that there is that much of a difference between a stock Nismo and non-Nismo then... or could guys like Grant push a non-Nismo up to B. How much of a difference are we takling about?

Not trying to start an argument or anything, just curious.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Is it it safe to assume that there is that much of a difference between a stock Nismo and non-Nismo then... or could guys like Grant push a non-Nismo up to B. How much of a difference are we takling about?

Not trying to start an argument or anything, just curious.

Like I said, there were some things that worked out favorably for the nismo as well in terms of the tires they were able to run, etc. His niz had a lot more $$ in it than many Evo's as well.

Hard to say for sure. My guess would be he could probably get close to the nismo level, but he was still a bit off from the Evo's. I don't think it can really be competitive there right now.

AlphaSnacks · 08-30-2011, 04:09 PM

Regarding the whole braking issue: Car and Driver didn't crash because the car they had was abused. If that was the case, half of the cars they track would've been crashed too. Nissan issued a statement saying that the Akebonos come equipped with a standard street brake pad that does an adequate job of stopping the car with minimal amounts of brake dust - purely a consumer influenced decision. Stopping distances of 100 ft were recorded by numerous publishers, and that's actually superb - Porsche levels right there. Nissan added that if buyers wanted a high-temp fade-resistant pad they could spend $600 on the optional Nismo pads. Then people on the iterwabz were like "why didn't they just include that pad stock?" Because, they dust like all sorts of hell.

I have them on my car (they came with it, I didn't order them). When you need to: they'll stop the car like you're hitting a brick wall. But my God, my wheels turn black after 20 miles of driving or one firm stop! I can't imagine owners liking that very much, at all. My 350Z kept its wheels clean for as long as a week on the OEM pads.

Cmike2780 · 08-30-2011, 06:06 PM

^^ very much agree. Of course an older car would be less expensive to track than a newer car. Less than $1k to get it track ready is pretty "affordable" for people who would track a 370. Besides, you should only track what you can afford to crash. The Z may no longer be the fastest in this range, but it's far from slow. There's more to it than it's ability to be track worthy. Have seen what some Mazeratti's run in the quarter, flawed, but it hardly means in any less of a sports car.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

^^ very much agree. Of course an older car would be less expensive to track than a newer car. Less than $1k to get it track ready is pretty "affordable" for people who would track a 370. Besides, you should only track what you can afford to crash. The Z may no longer be the fastest in this range, but it's far from slow. There's more to it than it's ability to be track worthy. Have seen what some Mazeratti's run in the quarter, flawed, but it hardly means in any less of a sports car.

My beef here is the (potential) warranty issues created by the oil cooler.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

My beef here is the (potential) warranty issues created by the oil cooler.

You can go with the Nismo cooler and dealership install it.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

You can go with the Nismo cooler and dealership install it.

still not warrantied if the cooler fails.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

still not warrantied if the cooler fails.

The oil cooler?
The car is still under warranty even with the oil cooler, the Nismo cooler has a separate limited warranty.

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

still not warrantied if the cooler fails.

I would imagine that would depend on the dealer. Some are "mod friendly".... others, not so much.

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 07:11 PM

I've read a few articles... the Z is comparable and even beats the BMW 135i stock for stock in many areas... it also ran pretty comparable numbers to the Cayman S, though it doesn't have as much power as the Z it's 250 lbs lighter.

red6spd · 08-30-2011, 09:57 PM

I dont understand? The Z is as fast or faster then 135i, 335i, Evo, STI/WRX, New Camaro, RX8. But it had to be knocked down to a lower class? What cars was it competing with? Enzos, Lambos, ZR1 Vettes????

esfourteen · 08-30-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I dont understand? The Z is as fast or faster then 135i, 335i, Evo, STI/WRX, New Camaro, RX8. But it had to be knocked down to a lower class? What cars was it competing with? Enzos, Lambos, ZR1 Vettes????

He's talking about SCCA classes for autox, you can see the list here:

http://www.scca.org/documents/Solo_R...solo_rules.pdf

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Besides, my worry is issues caused by the cooler. A whole ton of people have blown fittings--it happens from time to time.

agreed, I really hate having to add something like an oil cooler.

FL 4Motion · 08-31-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

My beef here is the (potential) warranty issues created by the oil cooler.

Well, on this issue, we agree. However, if you have a good dealer, (i know, hard to find but they're out there), then that does lower this particular risk somewhat.

I will be the first to say that on the Nismo esp and also the sport pkg Zs, an oil cooler should have at least been an optional "accessory" like the Nismo brake pads are. Still, not something that most folks won't need to add to any other car that sees hard track time and then you'd be in the same boat warrantee wise.

Evo X's with the DCT (or whatever they call their dual clutch manual) have trans overheating issues on track I've read and require a trans cooler for serious track use, that's going to be a warrantee nightmare if anything ever went wrong as well.

In this price bracket, there are going to be compromises, or you buy a higher class of car used for the same as a new Z, evo etc and hopefully it's going to last you and not have been beat to sh!t by the last owner.

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Well, on this issue, we agree. However, if you have a good dealer, (i know, hard to find but they're out there), then that does lower this particular risk somewhat.

I will be the first to say that on the Nismo esp and also the sport pkg Zs, an oil cooler should have at least been an optional "accessory" like the Nismo brake pads are. Still, not something that most folks won't need to add to any other car that sees hard track time and then you'd be in the same boat warrantee wise.

Evo X's with the DCT (or whatever they call their dual clutch manual) have trans overheating issues on track I've read and require a trans cooler for serious track use, that's going to be a warrantee nightmare if anything ever went wrong as well.

In this price bracket, there are going to be compromises, or you buy a higher class of car used for the same as a new Z, evo etc and hopefully it's going to last you and not have been beat to sh!t by the last owner.

SST... and yes, they have a lot of failures with their autos when getting near or a little over 400 whp.

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen

He's talking about SCCA classes for autox, you can see the list here:

http://www.scca.org/documents/Solo_R...solo_rules.pdf

agreed, I really hate having to add something like an oil cooler.

I can't open that site, but is this for a stock car?

08-30-2011, 06:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 30	^^ very much agree. Of course an older car would be less expensive to track than a newer car. Less than $1k to get it track ready is pretty "affordable" for people who would track a 370. Besides, you should only track what you can afford to crash. The Z may no longer be the fastest in this range, but it's far from slow. There's more to it than it's ability to be track worthy. Have seen what some Mazeratti's run in the quarter, flawed, but it hardly means in any less of a sports car. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

08-30-2011, 09:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 22	I dont understand? The Z is as fast or faster then 135i, 335i, Evo, STI/WRX, New Camaro, RX8. But it had to be knocked down to a lower class? What cars was it competing with? Enzos, Lambos, ZR1 Vettes???? __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

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AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 19	Regarding the whole braking issue: Car and Driver didn't crash because the car they had was abused. If that was the case, half of the cars they track would've been crashed too. Nissan issued a statement saying that the Akebonos come equipped with a standard street brake pad that does an adequate job of stopping the car with minimal amounts of brake dust - purely a consumer influenced decision. Stopping distances of 100 ft were recorded by numerous publishers, and that's actually superb - Porsche levels right there. Nissan added that if buyers wanted a high-temp fade-resistant pad they could spend $600 on the optional Nismo pads. Then people on the iterwabz were like "why didn't they just include that pad stock?" Because, they dust like all sorts of hell. I have them on my car (they came with it, I didn't order them). When you need to: they'll stop the car like you're hitting a brick wall. But my God, my wheels turn black after 20 miles of driving or one firm stop! I can't imagine owners liking that very much, at all. My 350Z kept its wheels clean for as long as a week on the OEM pads.

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Methodical4u A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,393 Drives: 11 370 6mt pw w/sp Rep Power: 17	I've read a few articles... the Z is comparable and even beats the BMW 135i stock for stock in many areas... it also ran pretty comparable numbers to the Cayman S, though it doesn't have as much power as the Z it's 250 lbs lighter.