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but dat vk56.... daaaaayumm |
There's a solution to every problem. It all depends on how much money you want to throw at the problem. And what the end results you are looking for. For the amont spent.
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That engine probably ran on 116 or some other fuel that's ridiculously expensive. For drifting... No reason to run on anything but 93 or at most, 100 or 105 unleaded. |
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For V8 packaging for most workloads, it's pretty hard to beat with more modern design layouts. The current line of LSx motors have about as much in common with the SBC engine of olde as the 370Z does with the 240Z. |
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but the new ls has everything in common with a '65 block 350chev with a phone call to summit. there are no advances they took an old motor and put new parts in it. so the bolt patterns changed and the manifold is different everyting else is stndard berfomance v8 stuff. they just started putting better parts in it. go out buy a one piece rear main 350, get a lightweight rotating assembley out of the catalog with a set of raised port race heads and a big cam and bam 1975 ls1 eater. ihad a buddy with and 83 camaro and 450whp 78 sbc in it he built for $4500, so the real question here is why would you go to a junkyard and buy 6000 ls3 when you could call summit, start with a 4bolt block, and for 2000 less have fresh built 400+ hp mill? Ls's are old tech with a fresh paintjob, i've owned firebirds before been there done that. and ls parts aren't cheap either if you want a real improvement, fast lsx manifold 1400, race forged rotating assembley 4500, racevalvtrain cams and heads 3500, junkyard ls1 block and machining for new parts 2500, yes you can have north of 500 n/a with a 7500rpm redline but for 12k.
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20 bucks to the first guy to put a '75-'83 mouse in his 2009 nissan.
Must have msd distributor, holley 750 dbl pumper, cable speedo, diaphragm fuel pump, and highrise intake Brodix or trick flow heads and a lunatti cam and z28 badges wioll get you another 20. |
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Are we still on the Z forums? :bowrofl:
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thats beauty of the titan motor made in Tennessee unlike the mexi-canadian ls's (except the corvette ones)
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As a side note the new Mclaren MP4-12C's engine is a modified VRH35 nissan v8, destroked VH41, with different timing chain setup.
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There's a good example between the different sounding v8's. Forsbergegs car has a vk, and the k-sport car has a supercharged ls3
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I would love to do a VK56 swap. I just hate the idea of having EVERYTHING custom made. If it breaks there is going to be a long lead time on most parts. With a LSx at least if I break it I can have the same part ordered that night and installed by the weekend.
And really if we are being honest how common is a LSx swap EVER going to be? How many 350Zs have motor swaps of any kind? Probably <1%. I absolutely applaud your efforts but I definitely want a little more support from the aftermarket. |
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I agree that the LSx motors have a huge aftermarket community and can easily be repaired or upgraded if needed, but what exactly would you be worried about breaking? |
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For me, the motivation would be aftermarket support and the ability to get stuff like belts, bearings, seals and other "consumables" easily from any parts store rather than it being an almost strictly "dealer parts counter" affair. There also seems to be an upgraded or 'Race' version of just about every component on the LSx, that isn't the case at all on the VK. Anything motorsport/power/durability oriented beyond basic bolt ons is almost entirely specialty one-off stuff. As a DD car or a "midly modded" engine (meaning intake, exhaust, tune) to drop into the Z, it's a great choice and will no doubt last a long time. For those of us doing this on a track or race car, it's all about priorities, so Weight, Reliability and ease of access to upgraded and replacement parts are what matters. Even if it's a "boring" choice from an originality standpoint. :) |
That is true, I would be curious to see how the support is on the VK motors, might have to visit a Titan forum or something.
It could be a lot better than many think, nowhere near the level of the LS series, but might be good enough to warrant shoving the motor in. Also, from what has been said on the forum by GTM, they are coming out with a VK swap for the Z so parts support might increase with their jumping into this area. |
What would I be worried about breaking? Anything. Its the same as any other engine really. If I would leave it stock or close to it I wouldnt be concerned but pushing 700+ hp out of it I would like to be able to get a spare everything.
I had thought about the VK before and even priced some rods. If I remember right they were 250 apiece since they had to be custom made and the lead time was 6 weeks |
I just talked with Todd@ Fueled Racing. They are building an LSx swap kit. They need a couple of donor cars. He said they would get the kit installed for free if they helped out. I cant send mine so I thought I would share.
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Tell them to sign up on the forum and post up! This should be interesting.
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I did. They said if the car they are looking at buying at an auction doesnt come through they will. It would be awesome if they do. It will probably force Sikky to start on theirs. I know they said they werent planning on it for a few years.
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things have happened i'm no working late nights to pay for stuff. End up picking up an os giken twin plate for the clutch, getting the spacing ring gear and trigger set up for that. Now saving for things like ecu and motor build, and mah big azz supercharger.
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Any updates?
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I'd be down to lend someone my 370z for VK swap development, considering I drive it less than 1000 miles a year LOL.
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But on the serious note, yeah I would. This depends on what there is to be gained though of course. If I'm spending 10k to fit a stock VK into a Z then maybe not. Haha |
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but i cant throw a rock at a car show without hitting 10 ls swaps.
personally i think its the most overdone thing in the car culture right now |
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If it hasnt been mentioned already the vk56 I saw at GTM was definetely boner worth for sure. Had I knew I was gonna be rebuilding motor / upgrading turbos etc this would have been a much better option. It practically looks like it belongs there :yum:
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