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1slow370 01-31-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1517953)
DOHC isn't all it's cracked up to be. The 5.0 Coyote is a great engine, but it weighs about the same as the LS7 and produces far less power, especially at lower rpms.

GM experimented with DOHC designs and stuck with cam-in-block for a reason. These reasons have been detailed again and again and again, but suffice it to say when you have a 450# motor complete from manifold to oil-pan that will make over 500 horsepower and pass emissions, you have a winner. Now consider that it will produce over 500 horses at the TIRES with exhaust and a mild cam and a tune.

Technology is great, and I am sure someday it will bring us an engine lighter than the LS-series that can produce more horsepower, but so far it has failed to do so within 2-300% of the cost of the most expensive LS-engines available.

in the 5.0's defence per your story if it's all price vs performance than a 5.0 that costs a fourth of an ls7 should only make a fourth the horsepower right?
the vk is good for 600hp in stock form same as an ls2/ls3 and they still cost twice as much at the yard. Titan motors are cheap, cheaper than a vq for that matter. if i wanted a car with an ls in it theres no point of putting it in a z go buy a corvette, if you want a car with a vk in it your SOL without a swap, i believe swaps should be done with motors from the same make unless none are available

ImportConvert 01-31-2012 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1519318)
in the 5.0's defence per your story if it's all price vs performance than a 5.0 that costs a fourth of an ls7 should only make a fourth the horsepower right?
the vk is good for 600hp in stock form same as an ls2/ls3 and they still cost twice as much at the yard. Titan motors are cheap, cheaper than a vq for that matter.

Where are you finding 5.0 Coyote's for $4K?

How much does that VK motor weigh?

1slow370 01-31-2012 08:33 PM

503lbs 20-30 more than a vq37

ImportConvert 01-31-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1519337)
503lbs 20-30 more than a vq37

Or about 50# more than a comparable LSX engine, and physically larger to boot.

1slow370 02-01-2012 04:28 AM

yeah but looks better in a z and they can both make more than enough power to keep me happy so stfu and take your bitchin over to the why didn't i buy a corvette thread.

ImportConvert 02-01-2012 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1519707)
yeah but looks better in a z and they can both make more than enough power to keep me happy so stfu and take your bitchin over to the why didn't i buy a corvette thread.

Sounds like it will meet your needs. Pix when you do it.

I don't think there is a thread like that, though, and I certainly wouldn't be in it if there were.

Nixlimited 02-01-2012 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1519707)
yeah but looks better in a z and they can both make more than enough power to keep me happy so stfu and take your bitchin over to the why didn't i buy a corvette thread.

Really? Is that what's going on here? F-. :ugh2:

Ages 02-01-2012 11:20 AM

Why can't people just say "cool good luck" if it costs him 50 grand that's his problem clearly he wants to be original. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Good luck, hope it works out for you. Can't wait to see it.

DOOMMONKEY777 02-01-2012 12:06 PM

About 5 years ago i was looking at 350s and came across an AWD 350 z using infinity all wheel drive and man every one was saying ohh its a crap install there are going to be problems not to mension the costs but then i though that monster there will leave any skyline in the dust.....Damn i still want one lol.


P.S. Ops read the argument 2 late, seriously dude stfu and get a corvette.

Hermitns 02-04-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 1275376)
I think you are being a bit conservative on the additional cr@p, but who knows until someone does it.
Would love to see a Nissan V8 instead of another LSx build, but the fitting the Nissan is going to be tough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCHL1cFm8I8&feature=related

If Toyota can do it for the Camry...why not Nissan and the Z?

Hermitns 02-04-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 1275376)
I think you are being a bit conservative on the additional cr@p, but who knows until someone does it.
Would love to see a Nissan V8 instead of another LSx build, but the fitting the Nissan is going to be tough.

NASCAR edition TRD V8 Camry drive - YouTube

If Toyota can do it for the Camry...why not Nissan and the Z?

theDreamer 02-04-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermitns (Post 1525882)
NASCAR edition TRD V8 Camry drive - YouTube

If Toyota can do it for the Camry...why not Nissan and the Z?

Company funded Nascar V8 into a huge sedan, that is easy.
And I have seen that, it was a great job but honestly it was pure publicity (similar to the Juke-R by Nissan).

1slow370 02-05-2012 10:43 PM

ok sad for the project/great for me, this has all been put on hold for a bit, might be moving and may need money now we'll see move might not work outin which case it's back on, or if i do move once i get settled i will start again, after selling all my stuff.

ImportConvert 02-06-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1528100)
ok sad for the project/great for me, this has all been put on hold for a bit, might be moving and may need money now we'll see move might not work outin which case it's back on, or if i do move once i get settled i will start again, after selling all my stuff.

Which is why I critiqued it. I didn't think you were going to actually do anything about it based on your OP, your signature, and other posts in this thread.

When/if you actually do it...then you will get nothing but props from me :)

Until then, it's just mental masturbation up for debate.

pyrrhus17 02-07-2012 07:42 AM

Yoshi's VK56DE 240SX Build - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum here's a guy putting one in a 240 with a 370z tranny and adapter plate .If you read the thread another member says that there is a 370z in his area with this very swap . so looks like others are doing it . Really cool ,could be long term power here's a 280 swap http://www.titantalk.com/forums/tita...ld-thread.html and someone just starting another 240 http://www.titantalk.com/forums/tita...240sx-s14.html

Cmike2780 02-07-2012 10:54 AM

I just read somewhere that Nismo developed a 3.4-liter VK-series V8 engine for LMP2 cars. Interesting.

pyrrhus17 02-07-2012 12:59 PM

found this sounds great from another thread 350z Revs on Vimeo
My Vk56 Swapped 350z *video* - Page 2 - Nissan Titan Forum

http://vimeo.com/14470732

http://vimeo.com/14627971

1slow370 02-07-2012 05:36 PM

if it were a small move i would just keep rolling but i don't want to truck a motor across the country with all my sh!t, and tow the car so i can't start till stuff is figured out. I was going to buy the motor the day the call came in.

StockSC300 04-05-2012 10:53 AM

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GM experimented with DOHC designs and stuck with cam-in-block for a reason. These reasons have been detailed again and again and again, but suffice it to say when you have a 450# motor complete from manifold to oil-pan that will make over 500 horsepower and pass emissions, you have a winner. Now consider that it will produce over 500 horses at the TIRES with exhaust and a mild cam and a tune.
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Actually GM didn't do anything other than hire Lotus to do all of the engineering and design for the LT5 if that is what you're talking about??

Beejis60 08-17-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermitns (Post 1525882)
NASCAR edition TRD V8 Camry drive - YouTube

If Toyota can do it for the Camry...why not Nissan and the Z?

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 1526009)
Company funded Nascar V8 into a huge sedan, that is easy.
And I have seen that, it was a great job but honestly it was pure publicity (similar to the Juke-R by Nissan).

You ARE aware that every NASCAR motor is based on the LS2 block, right? Therefore an OHC V8 is not used.
And yes I know this thread is old and yes I know I'm new here, but I felt compelled to bump with this proper information.

theDreamer 08-17-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Beejis60 (Post 1874069)
You ARE aware that every NASCAR motor is based on the LS2 block, right? Therefore an OHC V8 is not used.
And yes I know this thread is old and yes I know I'm new here, but I felt compelled to bump with this proper information.

Yes, but we are talking about the VK56 engine into a Z so that is completely different animal and fitment.
Now old thread, but there are 2 known builds with the Nissan V8.
Chris Forsberg: Hard C.O.R.R. - This Z Keeps Its V8 Power In The Family * | DSPORT Magazine #110
MCA 370z drift car: The new MCA 370Z ‘Drift Monster’ build! | MCA Suspension's Blog

Beejis60 08-17-2012 12:59 PM

Ya, I've seen them. This thread was the reason I joined because I was contemplating to help a friend undertake this project.

cossie1600 08-17-2012 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Beejis60 (Post 1874069)
You ARE aware that every NASCAR motor is based on the LS2 block, right? Therefore an OHC V8 is not used.
And yes I know this thread is old and yes I know I'm new here, but I felt compelled to bump with this proper information.

If you are going to revive a dead thread, you better get your info straight. The current Sprint Cup motors is based on the R07, which is a new motor designed strictly for racing. It shares nothing with the LS motor except for the traditional two valve/pushrod design. The lower end NASCAR series do use the LS2 block, but they make 500-600HP not 800HP @ 9000RPM like the big boys

Beejis60 08-17-2012 01:28 PM

Allow me to retort. I believe R07 is just GM's name for their motor; now just arguing semantics... Or perhaps my info is dated then? I don't follow nascar, but either way, it is not an OHC design which is what I was trying to get at. Is that better for you?

cossie1600 08-17-2012 01:48 PM

I am just saying if you are going to bring an old thread up, you might want to check your facts. There are similarities between the LS and R07, but it isn't like you can swap parts back and forth between the two. Think VQ vs VK.

NASCAR uses OHV because that is a RULE in their series. Toyota doesn't have any OHV motors, they had to build one from the ground up in order to compete. Heck, they just got EFI recently. It's one of the reason why BMW and Nissan chose not to compete in NASCAR even though there is a huge marketing opportunity available.

1slow370 08-24-2012 02:12 AM

Hey come on its not dead im still looking for a motor. Anybody find one for 1000 cash shipped let me know.

Edit: or a 1000 card shipped looking to buy cheap and build.

CSA0890 08-30-2012 08:17 PM

I was quoted 1500 at a local salvage yard a few months ago including all accessories and the harness and ecu.

1slow370 08-31-2012 02:20 AM

so 2000 shipped up here thats my problem trying to find one locally for cheap that i can just go pick up hell id take it out if i had to. I want to do it super cheap so i can show it can be done. I have access to CNC machines and can make whatever parts I feel like such as flanges and billet swap engine mounts, and can handle the rewiring by myself so i save most of it there, but every penny counts. by building my own ms3x ecu i'm only spending about 600 for the fuel and ignition components and all this leaves money on the table for pistons,rods,studs,gaskets, and maybe a turbo or two.

1slow370 09-26-2012 04:35 AM

fixed a PS3 for a salesman at the local yard and hes hooking me up with an $800 discount on a motor now that's how i do things. 06 vk 60,000 miles compression and oil pressure tested pics when i pick it up in a few weeks.

Shamu 09-26-2012 11:57 PM

What does vk56 weigh? What is size compared to LS? I like idea of Nissan V8. LS powered cars are a dime a dozen. Well done vk56 is much more appealing to me. Looks like that motor sits nice and low in the chassis!

1slow370 09-27-2012 02:41 AM

it somethin like 45lbs more than the v6 in factory trim. wider at the heads than an ls and a bit taller the intake manifold is a lot taller but not more than the truck ls.

1slow370 10-09-2012 01:54 PM

http://www.the370z.com/members/1slow...vk-awesome.jpg progress made

Jordo! 10-09-2012 02:04 PM

Holy sh!t! So this project is on? Awesome! :tup:

1slow370 10-15-2012 09:49 PM

Yeah giving my self a year and a half for the whole project. budget has 4300 remaining after motor. Plan is itb's, megasquirt, adapter plate and flywheel, coated piston tops, thicker mls headgasket, motor refresh, and a single turbo setup, engine mounts and accesory brakeckets too. lots of stuff to do.

Nissanboy 10-15-2012 10:03 PM

Not sure if this has been posted already, but just in case it hasn't
370Z Drift Monster – In House Custom Work | MCA Suspension's Blog
Bit harder than you might think...

1slow370 10-15-2012 11:22 PM

No they went about it a bit diferentlythan most. One im not using a sequential and if i did it would be the quaife 350z unit so i wont be making a different drive shaft and my trans adapter will be much simpler. two. i dont need the engine touch the firewall because this will not be a pro race car, yet, 3. the vk and stock pan will fit no need to change steering rack. See where this is going? My policy is dont crazy **** because this isnt a pro time attack car. Hell mckinney makes mounts for the swap.

1slow370 10-15-2012 11:25 PM

U tell me why i need to stick 10 grand into it to move a 35lb heavier motor 2 more inches towards the firewall. Im just gonna move the battery.

Jordo! 10-16-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1963723)
Yeah giving my self a year and a half for the whole project. budget has 4300 remaining after motor. Plan is itb's, megasquirt, adapter plate and flywheel, coated piston tops, thicker mls headgasket, motor refresh, and a single turbo setup, engine mounts and accesory brakeckets too. lots of stuff to do.

Ah, a megasquirt guy :tup:

Very cool -- keep us posted!

1slow370 10-16-2012 01:20 AM

Yeah thinkin of using the msII 3.57 with ms3x. factory nissan coils with built in ignitors for cop new cam and crank trigger for full sequencial fire and fuel. Havent decided on injectors yet tho wether to go low our high, and as for what style be it bosch our denso or what.

Mino 10-16-2012 12:38 PM

I would do a RB26 if I had the funds for it :), they have a few 350s with RBs I'm sure the 370 would be better


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