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Jordo! 10-16-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1964084)
Yeah thinkin of using the msII 3.57 with ms3x. factory nissan coils with built in ignitors for cop new cam and crank trigger for full sequencial fire and fuel. Havent decided on injectors yet tho wether to go low our high, and as for what style be it bosch our denso or what.

I thought the high imped. injectors tended to be a little more reliable, but also tend to be more expensive, especially as they get bigger -- its been a while since I've thought about all this stuff :p

I'm definitely a fan of denso injectors. They tend to have really good atomization characteristics. SARD has a nice selection of high flow Densos.

How much power are you aiming to make?

O&G 10-16-2012 01:40 PM

look into Injector Dynamics - Main Menu , top notch company. Good luck w/ the build, loving the creativity!

1slow370 10-16-2012 08:36 PM

Wanna set it up for 850 but probably going to work up to that. Looking for at least 450 wheel to start with witch should be cake.

1slow370 10-16-2012 08:39 PM

Hopefully getting my own garage for the first so i can start really working on it.

1slow370 10-21-2012 10:25 PM

took manifold into work and got the dimensions from it off the CMM starting to draw up a manifold setup

1slow370 03-10-2013 03:04 AM

Ok an update on the update for this. Progress has been made, i moved to cali, got a new job, and will be posting with some minor progress and the complete plan soon. It WILL happen.

G37Sam 03-10-2013 05:11 AM

This should be interesting.. subscribing!

Have you thought about the instrument cluster? How will you get the RPM to work? You could keep your intelligent key btw and use a separate switch/button to start the car.

Will you be using an A/C too?

1slow370 03-10-2013 06:46 AM

A/C yes, the rest of it, well i'll cross that bridge when i get there, gonna try to keep as much of the factory parts as possible it will all make sense soon. Probably gonna start a new thread within the month with juicy details and stack of pictures i have here. To be humble it's gonna blow some minds. Hoping to be done with it this summer.

Nixlimited 03-10-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2205390)
A/C yes, the rest of it, well i'll cross that bridge when i get there, gonna try to keep as much of the factory parts as possible it will all make sense soon. Probably gonna start a new thread within the month with juicy details and stack of pictures i have here. To be humble it's gonna blow some minds. Hoping to be done with it this summer.

What about a standalone ECU like Haltech or something?

G37Sam 03-10-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2205390)
A/C yes, the rest of it, well i'll cross that bridge when i get there, gonna try to keep as much of the factory parts as possible it will all make sense soon. Probably gonna start a new thread within the month with juicy details and stack of pictures i have here. To be humble it's gonna blow some minds. Hoping to be done with it this summer.

Sounds great, I'm not doubting your build or anything please don't get me wrong, I'm just wondering because I swapped an RB Engine in and apart from the fact that my dashboard is lit up like a christmas tree, I couldn't get the Tacho to work, nor could I trigger the A/C compressor clutch from OEM controls. I also had to get a second switch to start the car (kept the i-key). I also swapped in an RB25 5MT which left my reverse light and camera not working too. But as you said, I'll cross that bridge when it needs to be crossed. For now I just wanna drive the damn thing! Good luck with your build man.

1slow370 03-12-2013 01:26 AM

I'll replace what i have to but, there will definitely be work done to keep as much of the cars features as possible.

Reaper42 03-12-2013 12:35 PM

I've spoken to Chris Forsberg directly about this, his shop does all his work on his formula D drift 370z. He said anywhere from $20,000-$100,000 to do a proper vk56 that actually runs and performs like a performance engine. But it would be MUCH cheaper to do an LS swap. Only reason they have vk56 is cause they are sponsored by nissan and have whatever funds to keep his car as nissan as possible to support the brand.

So unless you are filthy rich and have no regards to blowing excessive amounts of money to make this happen and be a build that actually performs, lasts, and have even more money to be able to afford mantainance. Its a fools build.

If you want v8 power and torque, swap in an LS motor.

1slow370 03-12-2013 06:25 PM

just wait a month

Z370Z011 03-12-2013 07:02 PM

Id save my self the trouble and buy a vette

1slow370 04-10-2013 05:15 PM

I like the look of the Z better, and the cost difference will be minimal, especially since it is going to have more than ZR1 level power.

G37Sam 04-10-2013 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2209775)
just wait a month

Two days left!

Mr&Mrs 04-11-2013 12:09 AM

I have been waiting for this! No negative comments from me, make this happen brother!

LMBmikeZ 04-11-2013 05:00 AM

:iagree:

Plus the Z is the better looking car, sexy :yum: then to do the vk swap would make the power better to! :rock:

G37Sam 04-11-2013 11:37 AM

Amen!

Everyone told me I was stupid for swapping in an RB engine and I should've went with a 2JZ engine on my G37. Screw that! Can't have a Toyota heart in a Nissan/Infiniti baby! :D

LMBmikeZ 04-11-2013 01:36 PM

:tup: good job staying in the blood lines. Just like everyone sayin to do an LS swap :shakes head:

VK56 :rock:

Sh0velMan 04-12-2013 10:33 AM

Yeah, waiting on progress...

I'm thinking I have a V8 swap in my future rather than spending 10K+ on a forced induction setup.

(I'll probably go LS, but yeah, the VK is awesome)

1slow370 04-12-2013 11:04 AM

Been busy lately I just have to put all info together but I havent quite got the time hopefully today or monday, may be as late as next friday tho.

docaam 04-22-2013 12:40 AM

I hope your project is moving. I tried to get some info of getting VQ35/37 and VK45/56 running in other chassis. Best bit is to contact Zfever in florida.

Doug the guy there can run the engine perfectly with VQ35 wiring and ECU and will add two more wires for extra injectors, and get you a uprev tune as well all for under 1000$, you will bypass all NATS and doesnt require BCM module as well. As you already have the ecu and wiring of VQ costs might be less.

edub370 04-22-2013 08:27 AM

ewwww. LS swaps are soooooooooo played out. i'm not gonna lie, i usually cant walk past an LS swapped car at a car show any faster. just seems like an unoriginal shortcut at this point

Sh0velMan 04-22-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2278356)
ewwww. LS swaps are soooooooooo played out. i'm not gonna lie, i usually cant walk past an LS swapped car at a car show any faster. just seems like an unoriginal shortcut at this point

If they're doing it for a show car, I can definitely agree. Le'lame.

IDZRVIT 04-22-2013 06:41 PM

There is a good reason why LS swaps are so popular. Now go figure it out. But if someone has the money who really loves the Z and is a die hard, then go ahead and do the VK56 swap. But you still wont be as fast as an LS implant equipped with the right parts.

CC QUIK 04-22-2013 11:28 PM

to 1slow370, good luck and and all the best on your build. On the lookout for another Z, this time a 350. And yes, i plan to put an LS V8 in it. By the way, anybody have a house with a 5 car garage for sale? LOL

edub370 04-23-2013 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by IDZRVIT (Post 2279426)
There is a good reason why LS swaps are so popular. Now go figure it out. But if someone has the money who really loves the Z and is a die hard, then go ahead and do the VK56 swap. But you still wont be as fast as an LS implant equipped with the right parts.

i get it, they are light, make power, blah blah blah... but the problem is, they are EVERYWHERE. its the cheap out nowadays. total complete lack of originality. it doesn't make a car better. if i see a miata with a turbo ls, guess what? I still don't want it. LS's don't make a car better, they jsut say, "i somewhat regret my buying decision and wish i woulda gone v8".

Sh0velMan 04-23-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2280304)
i get it, they are light, make power, blah blah blah... but the problem is, they are EVERYWHERE. its the cheap out nowadays. total complete lack of originality. it doesn't make a car better. if i see a miata with a turbo ls, guess what? I still don't want it. LS's don't make a car better, they jsut say, "i somewhat regret my buying decision and wish i woulda gone v8".

This is a philosophical debate.

"My car is an extension of myself" vs "My car is a tool I use for something"

There can be no consensus on who is in the right and who isn't.

Myself, I want what works the best for the least amount of money... Which means I'll be going with the "cheap out" which does make the car better, for me. Because the point is to be fast, not to be unique or original.

Chuck33079 04-23-2013 08:35 AM

I don't get the LS hate. Sure, it's not new or original. It also makes loads of power, parts cost next to nothing, and it'll fit in just about anything. The VK swap is awesome, but you could probably be all in on a LS swap for the cost of the VK motor alone. Still, I can't wait to see how this turns out. Either way it's going to be a hell of a lot of fun to drive.

G37Sam 04-23-2013 08:49 AM

This discussion is getting a little snobby lol

A true enthusiast doesn't hate on an engine "because it's everywhere". It's everywhere for a reason, and that is for being a successful V8. Yes it has outdated technology and is not JDM but to tell me it won't put a smile on your face when swapped into a Z is nonsense. The LS engines work!

The VK56 was never designed to race or go fast, it's an SUV/truck engine designed to haul and tow fat azz trucks around. If you have the extra money to convert it into a sportier engine then by all means.

Jordo! 04-23-2013 08:54 AM

I can understand a desire to keep a Nissan motor in a Nissan car. In any case, for a personal project like this, the goal is clearly more than merely hitting a power level or having a certain number of cylinders.

Chuck33079 04-23-2013 08:56 AM

I'm just looking forward to seeing a Z with V8 levels of torque, regardless of the manufacturer of the motor.

edub370 04-23-2013 09:02 AM

i dont hate on it cuz its everywhere. i hate on it because it shows a complete lack of originality or thinking on your own. to have something that so many other people have would bother me. there's something to be said for doing something with the tools u have. not just saying "ah f*ck, just throw an LS in er."

MyKindaGuise 04-23-2013 09:03 AM

I would like to see another VK56 Z. Someone needs to do it for sure. The only one I know of is a ITB VK56 that is owned by the owner of MCA suspension.

theDreamer 04-23-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2280404)
I would like to see another VK56 Z. Someone needs to do it for sure. The only one I know of is a ITB VK56 that is owned by the owner of MCA suspension.

Forsberg has the vk56 in his drift 370z.
http://www.tomeipowered.com/BTE/wp-c...-FD-R1-680.jpg
http://www.tomeipowered.com/BTE/wp-c...-FD-R1-681.jpg

Sh0velMan 04-23-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2280403)
i dont hate on it cuz its everywhere. i hate on it because it shows a complete lack of originality or thinking on your own. to have something that so many other people have would bother me. there's something to be said for doing something with the tools u have. not just saying "ah f*ck, just throw an LS in er."

So why are you driving a commercially produced automobile at all?

At the very least, you should have bought something older and put a completely random drive train in it, since being "original" is the whole point, right?

I'm thinking a Subaru Brat with a D series Honda motor.

That's more your style, surely!

:)

Sh0velMan 04-23-2013 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2280409)

That motor is nuts, it's a Nismo-sourced Baja truck motor, or so I've heard.

theDreamer 04-23-2013 09:08 AM

Yeah it is out of the trucks but they sourced all the race components for it.
He posted once about what all he got from Nissan & what they had to custom fab and it was 50/50.

MyKindaGuise 04-23-2013 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2280409)

Uhg why do I always forget his. :owned: Especially since he is local to me I should remember it even more haha.

Anyways it can be done...but for how much $$$ is the real question.


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