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Write up I had saved from my time on some other forums. I don't recall the username of the guy that wrote it, but if I find it, I'll make sure to add it in to give credit where it is due.

Pretty useful write up to understanding what goes on in a diff, so I figured I'd share it.


Just a few things starting with the open diff:
1. Torque is like force, it's how hard you twist something.
2. Power is force times velocity or in this case torque times rotational speed. If you push just as hard but move twice as fast you have twice the power.
3. An open diff always sends equal TORQUE to each wheel. ALWAYS.
4. Since an open diff sends equal torque to both wheels the wheel that spins faster gets more power. So that one wheel on ice gets the same torque as the wheel on dry ground but the ice wheel is the only one getting power since it's the only one spinning.
5. The torque applied to the rear wheels (not the power) determines how hard the tires are pushing the car forward.

So at this point we can figured out that with an open diff each rear wheel pushes just as hard. If one is one ice, neither can push that hard.

Limited slip diffs come in a few basic types. You have the old spring loaded clutch pack type. Those have a fixed locking torque. Locking torque is what makes the output shafts try to spin at the same speed as the diff housing. For a clutch pack diff the locking torque is the torque needed say turn the wheel when the car is on jacks and the transmission is in gear. Next you have speed sensitive diffs. These are ones where the locking torque is related to the difference in speed between the axles and the diff housing. They act like an open diff if both wheels are spinning at about the same speed but act like a LSD when one wheel spins up. Finally we have ramp clutch, torque sensing clutch packs, Torsen, Quaifee (sp?) and other torque sensing diffs. In these diffs the locking torque is proportional to the torque into the diff. So when you are on the gas the diff has a lot of locking torque. When you are off the gas the diff is rather open. Even those all these torque sensing diffs have different guts, as a black box they all work about the same way. Since the clutch pack version is the easiest to see I used it in these pictures.


Now on to the pictures...

1. A basic clutch pack diff. This diff uses the separation force of the output gears from the spider gears to load up the clutch discs. That means this example is using a torque sensing diff. Note that because the clutches are between the housing and output any time the housing is spinning faster than the output the output will feel a torque in the forward direction. The opposite is true in reverse. There are two ways torque can be applied from the housing to the output; 1. via the spider gears, 2. via the clutch plates. The total torque to the output is ALWAYS the sum of those two torques.


2. The open diff. Without the clutches the torque sent to each wheel is ALWAYS equal. The wheel on ice can't handle any torque so no torque gets sent to the wheel with grip. I stressed this because EVEN when we add clutches the SPIDER GEARS always send equal torque to each wheel. The clutches make up the difference.


3.Now we turn to the right (imagine we are looking at the back of the car). The right wheel slows, the left wheel speeds up. We have relative motion in the clutches. Since this is a torque sensing, not speed sensing, diff it doesn't mater if the speed difference is 1/2 RPM or 100 RPM, the torque the clutches apply to the output shaft is still just a function of input torque.
The right wheel is spinning slower than the diff. That means the torque on the right output shaft is forward (or trying to make the right wheel spin faster). The torque from the spider gears is also forward. So we have two forward torques added together. Call that T_spider + T_clutches.
The left wheel is going faster so the torque the clutch applies to the output shaft is in the reverse direction. The equation looks like this: T_spider - T_clutches. So in one case we have addition and in the other subtractions. It's pretty clear that the addition case (ie the inside wheel) is going to get more torque. More torque at the wheel means more force on the ground.
Since the inside wheel is pushing harder than the outside wheel the rear axle is creating an understeer moment. If the front wheels were on casters the car would try to straighten out! Of course the front wheels over power this with their own steering moment but this is why a LSD (and of course a spool which is like an LSD with REALLY REALLY high bias!) tend to make a car understeer. Its just most of the time the front wheels can compensate.



5. The above is true until the inside tire slips. This is the case where everyone says, "See the LSD sends the power to the wheel with grip!" Well yes but that's because it sends more power to the slower wheel. When the inside tire slips it speeds up. Makes sense, it doesn't have the road to slow it down. Of course all the math above holds true. The inside tire is now the fast tire. That means the torque to the inside tire is T_spider - T_clutch. Since the outside tire is now the slow one it's torque equation is: T_spider+T_clutch. So the non-slipping tire gets more torque and everyone is happy.


But there is a problem in that last bit. When you are cornering hard the outside tire is doing all it can to keep the rear end of the car from sliding out. When the inside tire loses grip it speeds up which means we get a lot of torque quickly transferring to the outside tire. The poor outside tire had just enough grip to handle pushing the car forward and keeping the tail in line. So now we spin thanks to the quick transfer of torque from the inside tire to the tire with grip! Fortunately this typically happens slowly and progressively enough that we can balance things and drive the car on the edge. Make no mistake, the LSD makes the edge sharper even though it doesn't always make it faster.
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Nice. I like to save articles like this in my documents. One of the best inventions ever.
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This is awesome! Thanks so much for the clear diagrams and formulas...

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my friend says his grandpa invented it in the great depression but didn't have the money for a patent. my friend smokes meth but you never know, lol.

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my friend says his grandpa invented it in the great depression but didn't have the money for a patent. My friend smokes meth but you never know, lol.

Thanks for posting.
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