Help don't want forced induction!!!!!

bboypuertoroc · 03-11-2011, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mjthind

well i am looking for suggestions not haters. I am 18 so that = not 12.

1slow370 · 03-11-2011, 03:49 AM

c'mon guys lets not all beat up on the rich kid (hell i'm only 3 yrs older than him). Ok now seriously i urge you to reconsider the FI option. turbo setups are not always laggy, it depends on how it is setup, if the kit can hit full boost around 3000 you aren't going to know, and also what is your experience with horsepower, and not " i drove a lambo once" have you ever driven a rear wheel drive car with more than 400hp on a wet road?you could end up getting even a stage one turbo our supercharger good for over 400hp as a base/safe/longevity setup, and not know what the hell to do and ditch it the first time you hit the power. i would say drive your car for a year before you even think about any of this so you will have a better idea of what you really want to change. Either way if you don't like the way a turbo comes on i PROMISE a supercharger is totally different maybe stop out by gtm and see if Sam can get you a drive in the stage one shop car. It will feel seamless like it was just a bigger motor. and as for the N/a build the centrifugal supercharger will pull up through redline and our motors can already be tuned to go over 7500 as they are now. you sir are the perfect candidate for a centrifugal supercharger(especially if you really like top end via your turbo the sh!t out of your friends supra comment). The GTM stage 2 will be out this spring, and thats looking at 450whp easy for less than half your budget. And an N/a build may last a bit longer than a F/I build(not much if you're gonna go crazy like your first post) but it will be a hell of a lot cheaper to rebuild because WHEN your 20,000 N/a blows up it will cost at least that again to fix not to mention getting all your custom(because no one makes that sh!t right now)parts remade. get a GTM supercharger, and use youre extra money for a suspension upgrade(the nismo stuff is crap compared to the current aftermarket kits) clutch and flywheel, maybe do something with the body and wheels, and hell get a stroker motor built.<---now doesn't that sound better than a totally stock nismo with a just a 400hp engine? Also Sam is a pro that has had his hands on a hell of a lot more Z's than your uncle and these cars very much require vehicle specific knowledge, they're nothing like a chevy, dodge, or ford, and even factory nissan techs hardly know sh!t about them.

Mjthind · 03-11-2011, 06:27 PM

i drive a my bros '08m5 as of right now. i have been driving his m5 and m6(which ever was available) since i've been 16. i am going to get coilover suspension done as soon as i get my car. my dad is letting me do all this stuff because it is graduation/birthday gift form him to me

jerryd87 · 03-12-2011, 05:55 PM

sorry i had to make a account here just to post a response to this kid. look dude plain and simple people here are trying to help you. you said you want titanium internals? well if you make a crank and pistons out of titanium your going to have problems not sure what will happen because i dont know the metallurgy of titanium but there has to be a reason no one uses it, not even funny cars they still use billet aluminum pistons and billet steel cranks. a few cars do use titanium rods mainly the corvette z06, problem is no one makes them for a 370 and its not as simple as using a mold someone has or copying a current steel design onto titanium your going to have to pay someone to design a rod for you then either cast it or machine it out of billet. since production high end rods go for 1k i would expect to spend roughly 20-25% of your budget on rods alone if you go this route.

You mention reliability but do you understand how horsepower is made? its essentially just torque over a period of time where as torque is an instantaneous snapshot of force, that's the easiest way i can put it so you can understand it. put simply the number one way to make hp in a n/a vehicle is through rpms F= M x A when you use forced induction you are increasing the "mass" on exerted on the rotating assembly with n/a you increase the "acceleration" in terms of higher rpms and faster pistons speeds, either way you are sacrificing reliability no matter what method you use for increased power nothing you can do to counteract this. a n/a engine can only make so much power because you can only fit so much air into the cylinders an can only spin the engine so fast.

Bottom line is if you want a little bit faster throw some bolt on on there for n/a power your not going to get much from them but your not gonna sacrifice that much reliability. but your not going to be that much faster either.
If you want alot faster the ONLY methods are superchargers, turbos and nitrous. Dont mess with nitrous just by reading your posts your too inexperienced, you can have reliability from it but if you dont know what your doing there is no faster way to blow an engine. i had a 84 camaro with a 300 shot of nitrous on it that mad it 26 passes down the dragstrip before i melted a piston and that was using a window switch AND jacobs mastermind granted at 150 bucks for a new longblock at a junkyard i dint care.
Super chargers will give you a power band that feels "stock" just alot faster your limiting your power with these though but for the street they are more then enough.
finally the reason everyone recommends turbos nowadays is because they are advanced enough now that you can have damn near a supercharger power band or you can have insane power numbers aka the supra and there are 350z's out there making power numbers similar just not nearly as many of them. with a properly designed system you can have a car that performs exactly how YOU want it to for the way YOU drive. no offense to your uncle but this isnt anything he is used to, if i told my uncle i was going to build a 700 hp 350z he would tell me its impossible without a 400+ cubic inch motor because they dont know current tech. even though many many people have surpassed this with engines this size or smaller.

overall you really shouldnt do anything to your car you need to drive it stock get used to it and in the meantime learn everything you can about the car every car is different and you need to know about your car. if you dont you are plain and simple going to be another statistic in a box and then your family is going to deal with the consequences most notably not having a son anymore. i grew up in a town with a 40K+ a year collage and we had it every year on average 5 crashs a year where a 18 or 19 year old rich kid killed himself or others because his parents bought him a viper/corvette/porsche/add another vehicle here.

Now dont get me wrong im not "hatin" good for you on the car i love z cars since i got my 350 which is why i dont drive camaros anymore. however you need to understand cars before you try something like this, you dont need to do the work yourself but you need to understand at a bare minimum how these things effec your car. with that long *** post good luck and enjoy your car =D

ps. you mentioned you would turbo the hell outa a supra just so yah know the supra has a 3L motor compared to the 370s 3.7L this means the power comes on sooner with turbos and is better for streetability over a supra

1slow370 · 03-12-2011, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mjthind

my dad is letting me do all this stuff because it is graduation/birthday gift form him to me

Mother Fucker

bboypuertoroc · 03-12-2011, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjthind

i drive a my bros '08m5 as of right now. I have been driving his m5 and m6(which ever was available) since i've been 16. I am going to get coilover suspension done as soon as i get my car. My dad is letting me do all this stuff because it is graduation/birthday gift form him to me

omfg.

1slow370 · 03-13-2011, 01:53 AM

okay i'm little less pissed off so

1. Never tell guys that your dad bought you your car and gave you 20K to mod it or they'll want to burn you at the stake. (unless you were hired as an NFL quarterback, won the Noble Peace prize, did something a hell of a lot more important than graduating F'n highschool)

2. At least learn something about F.I. and the realities of having a balls out n/a build before you post something like that to give you a bit more credibility otherwise no one will want to help you.

3. Tell him you don't want the money or the car and get a 3,000 dollar 94 toyota corolla. Or use the money to go to college but i bet that's payed for too.

4. just go forced induction because you could blow it up every year and have it fixed as your christmass present.

5. Seriously now, get the car, put in a better clutch flywheel, upgraded concentric slave cylinder, new wheels and tires, carbotech pads and stainless brake lines, motul brake and clutch fluid, the gtm stage 2 supercharger with better pistons and rods, hks fconv ecu, get it built at gtm, put a good 2.5" catback on it, a douple din kenwood or alpine touchscreen nav deck with new speakers, beat your brothers M5, and shut the hell up about n/a because you don't want it you'll have no torque think the car is **** and have wasted your(dads) money. Full N/a builds are only for professional drivers that compete with car, and seeing as this will be your daily and you've done almost no research on putting forced induction on one of these cars(nor do you know how bad the n/a torque output really is compared to a v8). Just get the damn supercharger.

6. You live you learn you shut hell up about how good you have it on the internet, and you just drop the car off at GTM in the future and be happy.

tomnavone · 03-13-2011, 08:52 AM

I call bs on this thread and bs on this kid.

dirTy_shoeZ · 03-13-2011, 02:17 PM

Lol for the record... A 4.0 titanium internals etc etc... And u want a drivable car. No offense to ur uncle he is right as far as it being more reliable but to an extent. Your building a allmotor race car with those parts. Ur car is gonna piss u off more than a bolt on tt kit will. Goodluck

And for everyone explaining the logic behind how it works proooobably won't do much to the guys mind.

I'm gonna say to the OP, u say u don't like lag, well lag is minimal on a twin 3071 kit. It's really not that bad, or on twins in general honestly.

daisuke149 · 03-13-2011, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirTy_shoeZ

Lol for the record... A 4.0 titanium internals etc etc... And u want a drivable car. No offense to ur uncle he is right as far as it being more reliable but to an extent. Your building a allmotor race car with those parts. Ur car is gonna piss u off more than a bolt on tt kit will. Goodluck

And for everyone explaining the logic behind how it works proooobably won't do much to the guys mind.

I'm gonna say to the OP, u say u don't like lag, well lag is minimal on a twin 3071 kit. It's really not that bad, or on twins in general honestly.

shhh that still lags when compared to a supra making gobs of power. I swear, i learned it from Fast and Furious.

Mjthind · 03-13-2011, 07:30 PM

thanks for the tips guys and you guys are starting to rubbing off on me i might just go stage 1 or 2 on a gtm tt kit i guess. my uncle is no mechanic he has his cars built for racing on the track. his passion is racing . he his rich guy so he does what he wants anyways. he drives '10 mb g55 amg or a lambo gallardo as his dd he has a crazy amount of track cars. thanks for the suggestion once again.

Edit: forgot to say thanks to jerryd87 making a his account just to give me a suggestion

1slow370 · 03-13-2011, 07:37 PM

turbo/supercharger it's all good. they will have a stage 2 supercharger coming out soon that will be a whole level up from the stage one and you could probably have the block beefed up a little for less money than a TT kit, it will be snappy something to consider. alot of the other upgrades in my last post are very good ideas for you and will immensly improve the driveability and reliability of the car it adresses all the little problems it has.

2011 Nismo#91 · 03-14-2011, 03:46 PM

I'd recommend you doing this,
GTM Motorsports*::*POWER PACKAGES*::*GTM 370Z VQ37VHR 500HP SUPERCHARGERD PACKAGE

No worries installation and testing well within your price range. Ship your car there have them get it running right, fly over and pick it up and drive it back. And non of your concerns about turbos.

You can spend the rest of the money on other upgrades, like the stereo, speakers, road trip, racing classes, etc.

Mjthind · 03-14-2011, 06:32 PM

well i just canceled the order on my nismo z today because i don't think i am getting it any time soon because what happen in japan. so now i am going to order a m3 coupe or sedan i still need to decide

bboypuertoroc · 03-14-2011, 10:33 PM

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03-11-2011, 03:49 AM	#32 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	c'mon guys lets not all beat up on the rich kid (hell i'm only 3 yrs older than him). Ok now seriously i urge you to reconsider the FI option. turbo setups are not always laggy, it depends on how it is setup, if the kit can hit full boost around 3000 you aren't going to know, and also what is your experience with horsepower, and not " i drove a lambo once" have you ever driven a rear wheel drive car with more than 400hp on a wet road?you could end up getting even a stage one turbo our supercharger good for over 400hp as a base/safe/longevity setup, and not know what the hell to do and ditch it the first time you hit the power. i would say drive your car for a year before you even think about any of this so you will have a better idea of what you really want to change. Either way if you don't like the way a turbo comes on i PROMISE a supercharger is totally different maybe stop out by gtm and see if Sam can get you a drive in the stage one shop car. It will feel seamless like it was just a bigger motor. and as for the N/a build the centrifugal supercharger will pull up through redline and our motors can already be tuned to go over 7500 as they are now. you sir are the perfect candidate for a centrifugal supercharger(especially if you really like top end via your turbo the sh!t out of your friends supra comment). The GTM stage 2 will be out this spring, and thats looking at 450whp easy for less than half your budget. And an N/a build may last a bit longer than a F/I build(not much if you're gonna go crazy like your first post) but it will be a hell of a lot cheaper to rebuild because WHEN your 20,000 N/a blows up it will cost at least that again to fix not to mention getting all your custom(because no one makes that sh!t right now)parts remade. get a GTM supercharger, and use youre extra money for a suspension upgrade(the nismo stuff is crap compared to the current aftermarket kits) clutch and flywheel, maybe do something with the body and wheels, and hell get a stroker motor built.<---now doesn't that sound better than a totally stock nismo with a just a 400hp engine? Also Sam is a pro that has had his hands on a hell of a lot more Z's than your uncle and these cars very much require vehicle specific knowledge, they're nothing like a chevy, dodge, or ford, and even factory nissan techs hardly know sh!t about them. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

03-12-2011, 05:55 PM	#34 (permalink)
jerryd87 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: oahu, hawaii Posts: 2 Drives: 03 350z ent. 6 speed Rep Power: 14	sorry i had to make a account here just to post a response to this kid. look dude plain and simple people here are trying to help you. you said you want titanium internals? well if you make a crank and pistons out of titanium your going to have problems not sure what will happen because i dont know the metallurgy of titanium but there has to be a reason no one uses it, not even funny cars they still use billet aluminum pistons and billet steel cranks. a few cars do use titanium rods mainly the corvette z06, problem is no one makes them for a 370 and its not as simple as using a mold someone has or copying a current steel design onto titanium your going to have to pay someone to design a rod for you then either cast it or machine it out of billet. since production high end rods go for 1k i would expect to spend roughly 20-25% of your budget on rods alone if you go this route. You mention reliability but do you understand how horsepower is made? its essentially just torque over a period of time where as torque is an instantaneous snapshot of force, that's the easiest way i can put it so you can understand it. put simply the number one way to make hp in a n/a vehicle is through rpms F= M x A when you use forced induction you are increasing the "mass" on exerted on the rotating assembly with n/a you increase the "acceleration" in terms of higher rpms and faster pistons speeds, either way you are sacrificing reliability no matter what method you use for increased power nothing you can do to counteract this. a n/a engine can only make so much power because you can only fit so much air into the cylinders an can only spin the engine so fast. Bottom line is if you want a little bit faster throw some bolt on on there for n/a power your not going to get much from them but your not gonna sacrifice that much reliability. but your not going to be that much faster either. If you want alot faster the ONLY methods are superchargers, turbos and nitrous. Dont mess with nitrous just by reading your posts your too inexperienced, you can have reliability from it but if you dont know what your doing there is no faster way to blow an engine. i had a 84 camaro with a 300 shot of nitrous on it that mad it 26 passes down the dragstrip before i melted a piston and that was using a window switch AND jacobs mastermind granted at 150 bucks for a new longblock at a junkyard i dint care. Super chargers will give you a power band that feels "stock" just alot faster your limiting your power with these though but for the street they are more then enough. finally the reason everyone recommends turbos nowadays is because they are advanced enough now that you can have damn near a supercharger power band or you can have insane power numbers aka the supra and there are 350z's out there making power numbers similar just not nearly as many of them. with a properly designed system you can have a car that performs exactly how YOU want it to for the way YOU drive. no offense to your uncle but this isnt anything he is used to, if i told my uncle i was going to build a 700 hp 350z he would tell me its impossible without a 400+ cubic inch motor because they dont know current tech. even though many many people have surpassed this with engines this size or smaller. overall you really shouldnt do anything to your car you need to drive it stock get used to it and in the meantime learn everything you can about the car every car is different and you need to know about your car. if you dont you are plain and simple going to be another statistic in a box and then your family is going to deal with the consequences most notably not having a son anymore. i grew up in a town with a 40K+ a year collage and we had it every year on average 5 crashs a year where a 18 or 19 year old rich kid killed himself or others because his parents bought him a viper/corvette/porsche/add another vehicle here. Now dont get me wrong im not "hatin" good for you on the car i love z cars since i got my 350 which is why i dont drive camaros anymore. however you need to understand cars before you try something like this, you dont need to do the work yourself but you need to understand at a bare minimum how these things effec your car. with that long *** post good luck and enjoy your car =D ps. you mentioned you would turbo the hell outa a supra just so yah know the supra has a 3L motor compared to the 370s 3.7L this means the power comes on sooner with turbos and is better for streetability over a supra Last edited by jerryd87; 03-12-2011 at 06:01 PM.

03-13-2011, 01:53 AM	#37 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	okay i'm little less pissed off so 1. Never tell guys that your dad bought you your car and gave you 20K to mod it or they'll want to burn you at the stake. (unless you were hired as an NFL quarterback, won the Noble Peace prize, did something a hell of a lot more important than graduating F'n highschool) 2. At least learn something about F.I. and the realities of having a balls out n/a build before you post something like that to give you a bit more credibility otherwise no one will want to help you. 3. Tell him you don't want the money or the car and get a 3,000 dollar 94 toyota corolla. Or use the money to go to college but i bet that's payed for too. 4. just go forced induction because you could blow it up every year and have it fixed as your christmass present. 5. Seriously now, get the car, put in a better clutch flywheel, upgraded concentric slave cylinder, new wheels and tires, carbotech pads and stainless brake lines, motul brake and clutch fluid, the gtm stage 2 supercharger with better pistons and rods, hks fconv ecu, get it built at gtm, put a good 2.5" catback on it, a douple din kenwood or alpine touchscreen nav deck with new speakers, beat your brothers M5, and shut the hell up about n/a because you don't want it you'll have no torque think the car is ** and have wasted your(dads) money. Full N/a builds are only for professional drivers that compete with car, and seeing as this will be your daily and you've done almost no research on putting forced induction on one of these cars(nor do you know how bad the n/a torque output really is compared to a v8). Just get the damn supercharger. 6. You live you learn you shut hell up about how good you have it on the internet, and you just drop the car off at GTM in the future and be happy. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST** Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 03-13-2011 at 01:55 AM.

03-13-2011, 08:52 AM	#38 (permalink)
tomnavone Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: S.F. Bay Area Posts: 723 Drives: Supercharged 370z Rep Power: 17	I call bs on this thread and bs on this kid. __________________ GTM Supercharger/HKS Camp2/Berk cbe/Motordyne art pipes/Hotchkis sways/ Eibach Springs/ Black Volk TE37/Bridgestone S-04 Powered by Last edited by tomnavone; 03-13-2011 at 09:14 AM.

03-13-2011, 02:17 PM	#39 (permalink)
dirTy_shoeZ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: san antonio, tx Posts: 779 Drives: 40th ANN TT Rep Power: 15	Lol for the record... A 4.0 titanium internals etc etc... And u want a drivable car. No offense to ur uncle he is right as far as it being more reliable but to an extent. Your building a allmotor race car with those parts. Ur car is gonna piss u off more than a bolt on tt kit will. Goodluck And for everyone explaining the logic behind how it works proooobably won't do much to the guys mind. I'm gonna say to the OP, u say u don't like lag, well lag is minimal on a twin 3071 kit. It's really not that bad, or on twins in general honestly. Last edited by dirTy_shoeZ; 03-13-2011 at 02:21 PM.

03-11-2011, 06:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
Mjthind Base Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: in Posts: 97 Drives: RX Rep Power: 14	i drive a my bros '08m5 as of right now. i have been driving his m5 and m6(which ever was available) since i've been 16. i am going to get coilover suspension done as soon as i get my car. my dad is letting me do all this stuff because it is graduation/birthday gift form him to me

03-13-2011, 07:30 PM	#41 (permalink)
Mjthind Base Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: in Posts: 97 Drives: RX Rep Power: 14	thanks for the tips guys and you guys are starting to rubbing off on me i might just go stage 1 or 2 on a gtm tt kit i guess. my uncle is no mechanic he has his cars built for racing on the track. his passion is racing . he his rich guy so he does what he wants anyways. he drives '10 mb g55 amg or a lambo gallardo as his dd he has a crazy amount of track cars. thanks for the suggestion once again. Edit: forgot to say thanks to jerryd87 making a his account just to give me a suggestion

03-13-2011, 07:37 PM	#42 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	turbo/supercharger it's all good. they will have a stage 2 supercharger coming out soon that will be a whole level up from the stage one and you could probably have the block beefed up a little for less money than a TT kit, it will be snappy something to consider. alot of the other upgrades in my last post are very good ideas for you and will immensly improve the driveability and reliability of the car it adresses all the little problems it has. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

03-14-2011, 03:46 PM	#43 (permalink)
2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,381 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 33858	I'd recommend you doing this, GTM Motorsports::POWER PACKAGES::GTM 370Z VQ37VHR 500HP SUPERCHARGERD PACKAGE No worries installation and testing well within your price range. Ship your car there have them get it running right, fly over and pick it up and drive it back. And non of your concerns about turbos. You can spend the rest of the money on other upgrades, like the stereo, speakers, road trip, racing classes, etc.

03-14-2011, 06:32 PM	#44 (permalink)
Mjthind Base Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: in Posts: 97 Drives: RX Rep Power: 14	well i just canceled the order on my nismo z today because i don't think i am getting it any time soon because what happen in japan. so now i am going to order a m3 coupe or sedan i still need to decide

03-14-2011, 10:33 PM	#45 (permalink)
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