Everyone with oil temp issues

ZKindaGuy · 07-31-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mannyz

I guess Im gona save money for that, cause the last thing I want is a new melted engine lol. But at the same time Im gona call Nissan again, and maybe talk to the dealer. I understand Nissan want us to protect our investment by buying their Oil but then, bring down the price dammit

I read some post on another Z board where a guy was only charged $59.95 for the Nissan Ester oil change. The next lowest price I read was $79.95 and then another for $99.99. After that the majority of folks were reporting
$120+ for teh oil change.

I haven't yet had to pay for mine as my first oil change was free. They put SYNTH in first despite my asking for their Ester oil. The service manager came into the waiting area and said his technician made a mistake. He had the technician drain the new SYNTH out and refill with teh Ester oil I asked for when I came in for service.

I thought it was interesting that the service manageer didn't try at all to persuade me that the SYNTH the tech wrongly put in was alright and sufficient. He actually was adamant about ordering the drain and refill with the Ester oil. I am interpreting this as a possible indication that the Ester oil is not as expensive as they make it out to be since he didn't seem to care about wasting the SYNTH.

It will be interesting to see what I get charged when I go in for my next oil change. May be awhile however before I find out since my car is a garage queen.

alan93rsa · 07-31-2009, 01:38 PM

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YOU ALREADY HAVE A CAR THAT IS AT LEAST 95% OF THE PERFORMANCE OF A pORSCHE FOR LESS THAN HALF THE PRICE

Having recently traded my 370Z for a Cayman S with PASM/Sport Chrono and PDK I wouldn't go as high as 95%. However, the Z is still a great value. I recently spent 3 days at Putnam Park with 4 runs/day and had zero issues. My 370 wouldn't make it past 6 laps at Mid-Ohio in cooler weather without oil issues.

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AK370Z · 12-03-2009, 09:47 PM

I'd like to close this thread with the OFFICIAL response from Nissan that I received few months ago.

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Originally Posted by Nissan USA

The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty.

I currently have 12,500 miles on my Z and they are street driven miles. From cold 30 degrees weather to intense summer temperature of 110+ degrees Fahrenheit -- I could never bring my temp up over 240 (my highest oil temp in the hottest weather). Basically, if you're going to drive your 370z in the street or do quick AUTOX (30 seconds to <5 min) or drag race, you WILL NOT need an oil cooler. If you plan on tracking the Z(long road course), you will need an oil cooler. Also, putting some good synthetic motor oil (i.e. REDLINE, AMSOIL, Royal Purple etc) will keep the oil temp cool as well.

Thanks

AK

mannyz · 07-31-2009, 02:20 PM

Well when I had my Eclipse 4G, I had to deal with a LOT of warranty issues, and since I modded my car immediately they always give me a hard time. I learn how to talk to the dealers and at the same time keep my warranty. I will go to the dealer where I purchased the car, cause they treat me better there, I just went to a diff Nissan because it was closer. I first are going to have a conversation with the manager and if he need proof I think I can get enough information from here.

pennjeweler · 07-31-2009, 10:17 PM

Hi,
I'm a new member to this site. I just purchased a 370z, and after reading the oil temp issues, I demanded the dealer install a "nissan approved" oil cooler for free (assuming they actually come out with one) in the future on my car, if I paid for the part. I might never have an issue since the temps in Pa. are not as high as other areas and I dont drive in heavy traffic. They were real jerks about it, and refused to even admit that Nissan might be having some problems with this car. I have a signed paper from them, without that I would have walked up the street and purchased a Mustang!

ZKindaGuy · 07-31-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pennjeweler

Hi,
I'm a new member to this site. I just purchased a 370z, and after reading the oil temp issues, I demanded the dealer install a "nissan approved" oil cooler for free (assuming they actually come out with one) in the future on my car, if I paid for the part. I might never have an issue since the temps in Pa. are not as high as other areas and I dont drive in heavy traffic. They were real jerks about it, and refused to even admit that Nissan might be having some problems with this car. I have a signed paper from them, without that I would have walked up the street and purchased a Mustang!

Stick with the Z of the GT-R as the designs are good and have lots of potential for styling changes in the future. The Mustang is unfortunately at a design crossroad with very little design wiggle-room to get itself out of the corner it has been painted into. The Mustang design is starting to look tired and ordinary and out of style for this day and age. I thought I would never see it or say it that way but unfortunately it is true.

07-31-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pennjeweler

Hi,
I'm a new member to this site. I just purchased a 370z, and after reading the oil temp issues, I demanded the dealer install a "nissan approved" oil cooler for free (assuming they actually come out with one) in the future on my car, if I paid for the part. I might never have an issue since the temps in Pa. are not as high as other areas and I dont drive in heavy traffic. They were real jerks about it, and refused to even admit that Nissan might be having some problems with this car. I have a signed paper from them, without that I would have walked up the street and purchased a Mustang!

You are not serious, are you? Thinking about oil cooler for daily driving in PA? Even if you did drive in heavy traffic, you'll never hit ANYWHERE close to limp mode. Stop stressing over a issue that doesn't pertain to you and ENJOY driving your Z.

As for buying a Mustang comment, drive your 370Z for a month then go test drive a Mustang. See if you still want one

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pennjeweler · 08-01-2009, 07:48 AM

On the drive home in 75 degree weather, it ran over 220 almost the whole way. And yes I have driven the Mustang, thats why I bought the Z. I had a 300zx, for 11 years so I know a little about Nissan service.(around here it stinks). I could see if I did drive in heavy traffic that it could EASILY hit 260+. Yes I may never need it (once the car is broken in it will probably run cooler) but if I do they are going to pay to put it on.

pennjeweler · 08-01-2009, 08:40 AM

After reading my first post again, I might have given the impression that I was definatly going to have the oil cooler installed. What I should have said, is that I might want it in the future if I thought it (high oil temps) was going to be a problem. In my area (pa.) I also do not think I will need it, BUT if I do...free install.

bluzman · 08-01-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pennjeweler

After reading my first post again, I might have given the impression that I was definatly going to have the oil cooler installed. What I should have said, is that I might want it in the future if I thought it (high oil temps) was going to be a problem. In my area (pa.) I also do not think I will need it, BUT if I do...free install.

Good luck with that.

mrarroyo · 08-01-2009, 09:46 AM

Well just had my first oil change at a Nissan dealer using the ester oil, $73 w/ tax. I am anal and have always change the oil around the 1,000 mile mark on all my cars, the 370Z had 981 miles.

Was a bit surprised how dark the oil was, next to Blackstone for an analysis.

fuct · 08-01-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrarroyo

Well just had my first oil change at a Nissan dealer using the ester oil, $73 w/ tax. I am anal and have always change the oil around the 1,000 mile mark on all my cars, the 370Z had 981 miles.

Was a bit surprised how dark the oil was, next to Blackstone for an analysis.

what oil are you using? plans on sticking with that oil forever?

mrarroyo · 08-01-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fuct

what oil are you using? plans on sticking with that oil forever?

Nisan's 5W30 ester synthetic oil.

Mullet Parade · 08-10-2009, 09:08 PM

Hey guys,

I was planning on getting a 370Z some time this month and I just got through the 50+ pages and am pretty disappointed. There's literally no other car out there right now that appeals to me price/performance/aesthetics-wise as the 370Z so naturally reading about this problem basically felt like getting kicked in the crotch.

I'm basically on the fence after reading all of this. It seems like a lot of you have issues while a lot haven't. I wouldn't be taking the car to the track but spirited driving will definitely occur somewhat often. So far it doesn't seem like they're addressing this issue for the 2010 models so it seems like now is as good a time as any to get one.

I just had a couple quick questions regarding this issue...

1) This is my first car and I've had my fair share of unreliable cars (used to be a big DSM guy) but I really don't want to have to constantly keep my eye on the oil temp gauge every time I decide to pass someone on the highway. I live in Illinois so I hope this won't be a huge issue but still has me concerned. How serious is the oil temp problem for someone who will be using the car as a daily driver and will not see track time?

2) Has Nissan in fact released an oil cooler available for purchase yet?

3) If so, what are the odds of me negotiating the cooler being worked into the price for free before buying?

4) Finally, and this isn't oil temp related, any ballparks on how long it would take to get the car if I ordered one? I'm looking to get a black 6spd with the sport package. Like I said, this is my first time snagging a new car so I won't settle. I'll wait if I have to, just wondering how long I could expect.

Sorry for the noob questions, any replies are appreciated.

Gaiiden · 08-10-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mullet Parade

1) This is my first car and I've had my fair share of unreliable cars (used to be a big DSM guy) but I really don't want to have to constantly keep my eye on the oil temp gauge every time I decide to pass someone on the highway. I live in Illinois so I hope this won't be a huge issue but still has me concerned. How serious is the oil temp problem for someone who will be using the car as a daily driver and will not see track time?

Based on my experience, with my car having ~5300mi on it, and having driven it hard all day for the Bullrun rally, an oil cooler is not necessary for everyday driving. The first day of Bullrun driving from Monticello, NY to Pittsburgh, PA I did actually cause the ECU to cut my max revs back to 6k on the outskirts of Pittsburgh. So an extended drive of 5+ hours while pushing past 100mph most of the time can cause a slight overheating problem. However normal driving over the same time will not.

That said, temps do get in the 220-240 range easily under normal long-haul highway conditions, so an oil cooler could be considered a good investment anyways to keep the engine in better shape over time and allow you to safely lengthen the amount of time between oil changes

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2) Has Nissan in fact released an oil cooler available for purchase yet?

I do believe Nismo has an oil cooler, and I know Stillen does as well.

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3) If so, what are the odds of me negotiating the cooler being worked into the price for free before buying?

Maybe. Possibly. When I bought my Z back in April, they drove it down from NY (I live in NJ) for no charge and threw in the Touring package for a discount because it was the only car they had in the area that met my needs (black 6sp). With dealers and manufacturers so desperate to sell vehicles these days, you could haggle something out.

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07-31-2009, 02:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
mannyz Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 354 Drives: a car Rep Power: 280	Well when I had my Eclipse 4G, I had to deal with a LOT of warranty issues, and since I modded my car immediately they always give me a hard time. I learn how to talk to the dealers and at the same time keep my warranty. I will go to the dealer where I purchased the car, cause they treat me better there, I just went to a diff Nissan because it was closer. I first are going to have a conversation with the manager and if he need proof I think I can get enough information from here.

07-31-2009, 10:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
pennjeweler Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 8 Drives: 370z, 06 impreza, Rep Power: 17	Hi, I'm a new member to this site. I just purchased a 370z, and after reading the oil temp issues, I demanded the dealer install a "nissan approved" oil cooler for free (assuming they actually come out with one) in the future on my car, if I paid for the part. I might never have an issue since the temps in Pa. are not as high as other areas and I dont drive in heavy traffic. They were real jerks about it, and refused to even admit that Nissan might be having some problems with this car. I have a signed paper from them, without that I would have walked up the street and purchased a Mustang!

08-01-2009, 07:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
pennjeweler Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 8 Drives: 370z, 06 impreza, Rep Power: 17	On the drive home in 75 degree weather, it ran over 220 almost the whole way. And yes I have driven the Mustang, thats why I bought the Z. I had a 300zx, for 11 years so I know a little about Nissan service.(around here it stinks). I could see if I did drive in heavy traffic that it could EASILY hit 260+. Yes I may never need it (once the car is broken in it will probably run cooler) but if I do they are going to pay to put it on.

08-01-2009, 08:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
pennjeweler Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 8 Drives: 370z, 06 impreza, Rep Power: 17	After reading my first post again, I might have given the impression that I was definatly going to have the oil cooler installed. What I should have said, is that I might want it in the future if I thought it (high oil temps) was going to be a problem. In my area (pa.) I also do not think I will need it, BUT if I do...free install.

08-01-2009, 09:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
mrarroyo Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Heaven on Earth Posts: 211 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 17	Well just had my first oil change at a Nissan dealer using the ester oil, $73 w/ tax. I am anal and have always change the oil around the 1,000 mile mark on all my cars, the 370Z had 981 miles. Was a bit surprised how dark the oil was, next to Blackstone for an analysis.

08-10-2009, 09:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mullet Parade Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 13 Drives: 09 370Z Sport Rep Power: 16	Hey guys, I was planning on getting a 370Z some time this month and I just got through the 50+ pages and am pretty disappointed. There's literally no other car out there right now that appeals to me price/performance/aesthetics-wise as the 370Z so naturally reading about this problem basically felt like getting kicked in the crotch. I'm basically on the fence after reading all of this. It seems like a lot of you have issues while a lot haven't. I wouldn't be taking the car to the track but spirited driving will definitely occur somewhat often. So far it doesn't seem like they're addressing this issue for the 2010 models so it seems like now is as good a time as any to get one. I just had a couple quick questions regarding this issue... 1) This is my first car and I've had my fair share of unreliable cars (used to be a big DSM guy) but I really don't want to have to constantly keep my eye on the oil temp gauge every time I decide to pass someone on the highway. I live in Illinois so I hope this won't be a huge issue but still has me concerned. How serious is the oil temp problem for someone who will be using the car as a daily driver and will not see track time? 2) Has Nissan in fact released an oil cooler available for purchase yet? 3) If so, what are the odds of me negotiating the cooler being worked into the price for free before buying? 4) Finally, and this isn't oil temp related, any ballparks on how long it would take to get the car if I ordered one? I'm looking to get a black 6spd with the sport package. Like I said, this is my first time snagging a new car so I won't settle. I'll wait if I have to, just wondering how long I could expect. Sorry for the noob questions, any replies are appreciated.