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DIGItonium 11-24-2016 03:57 PM

Starting Jan 2017 I will no longer host and maintain the spreadsheet. If no one wants to volunteer to take over the spreadsheet I'm going to take it down and remove the link on the front page.

Cheech 12-04-2016 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 3581666)
Starting Jan 2017 I will no longer host and maintain the spreadsheet. If no one wants to volunteer to take over the spreadsheet I'm going to take it down and remove the link on the front page.



Can you just leave what's there? if anyone wants to be added they could contact the law firm that's creating a class action lawsuit and be added to that list.

Just an idea



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DIGItonium 12-05-2016 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheech (Post 3585773)
Can you just leave what's there? if anyone wants to be added they could contact the law firm that's creating a class action lawsuit and be added to that list.

Just an idea



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Sure. Provide the lawfirm the most recent copy of the spreadsheet so they can maintain it. I'm just trying to get it out of my hair since I don't own a Z anymore, and I'm not as active on the forums anymore. I just keep getting notifications.

Spooler 12-10-2016 11:17 AM

Well, my 2013 with 21,000 miles just had an issue. It went to half peddle pressure Friday morning. It came back to the top with a couple of pumps but this is the tail tail sign it will be done shortly. Order a lightened flywheel and clutch kit to replace everything soon before I get stranded on the side of the road.

eastwest2300 12-12-2016 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3588141)
Well, my 2013 with 21,000 miles just had an issue. It went to half peddle pressure Friday morning. It came back to the top with a couple of pumps but this is the tail tail sign it will be done shortly. Order a lightened flywheel and clutch kit to replace everything soon before I get stranded on the side of the road.

sorry bro.:icon14:

albertu 01-04-2017 07:34 PM

My master fail at 56k, fixed under warranty. Now at 105k, slave fail and it's $1.7k of my own money. I was joking with my adjuster to put this on the regular maintenance checklist every 50k miles.

DIGItonium 01-05-2017 02:36 PM

All, I've updated OP with link to new host for the spreadsheet. Devil34 is taking over spreadsheet duties. Feel free to PM him if you would like to help him edit the spreadsheet.

eastwest2300 01-06-2017 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 3598580)
All, I've updated OP with link to new host for the spreadsheet. Devil34 is taking over spreadsheet duties. Feel free to PM him if you would like to help him edit the spreadsheet.

thanks man.

SpacemanF1 01-26-2017 11:26 PM

First post. Signed up for the forum because of this issue. Bought my Z with 38k miles and the CSC blew at 40k miles. Got it replaced with the hd slave from zspeed. The pedal pressure is much lighter than I remember. But the clutch is still just as grabby as ever.

Mechanic said my clutch still looks brand freakin new, so fingers crossed I get to enjoy some reliability. Anyway, add me to that list of yours if you wish.

ryennn 02-02-2017 10:33 PM

Damn guys, my clutch was losing pressure a few days ago so I scheduled an appointment for today to get it checked out because of possible CSC issue.

Started my car today and couldn't get into 1st gear..took couple of tries and it got into gear. On the way to the appointment on the highway, my pedal sunk to the floor while trying to shift into 5th gear. It wouldn't let me shift out of 4th at all and I had to slow down on the side and rolled until I stalled....

Had to tow to dealership and is getting checked out. Receiving a call tomorrow...

2016 Base Coupe 21,000KM got the car brand new.

eastwest2300 02-03-2017 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ryennn (Post 3611228)
Damn guys, my clutch was losing pressure a few days ago so I scheduled an appointment for today to get it checked out because of possible CSC issue.

Started my car today and couldn't get into 1st gear..took couple of tries and it got into gear. On the way to the appointment on the highway, my pedal sunk to the floor while trying to shift into 5th gear. It wouldn't let me shift out of 4th at all and I had to slow down on the side and rolled until I stalled....

Had to tow to dealership and is getting checked out. Receiving a call tomorrow...

2016 Base Coupe 21,000KM got the car brand new.

:shakes head:

whatever you do, dont put another factory CSC in.. get you something aftermarket, something thats proven to work..

best of luck.

ryennn 02-03-2017 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3611346)
:shakes head:

whatever you do, dont put another factory CSC in.. get you something aftermarket, something thats proven to work..

best of luck.

Got a call back today, confirmed CSC / Master cylinder issue, was also told it was causing leaking of the clutch fluid as well. Got a rental car(Nissan Sentra lol), everything covered by warranty, gonna take them a week to fix including waiting for parts...Sigh

eastwest2300 02-06-2017 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ryennn (Post 3611520)
Got a call back today, confirmed CSC / Master cylinder issue, was also told it was causing leaking of the clutch fluid as well. Got a rental car(Nissan Sentra lol), everything covered by warranty, gonna take them a week to fix including waiting for parts...Sigh

duuude.. ask them, if you bought an aftermarket CSC, can they install that instead of an OEM one, if you put that OEM one in, you're gonna have the same problem..:ugh2::ugh2:

Kzonts 02-06-2017 10:49 AM

I still can't believe Nissan won't fix this defective part... :mad:

I'm getting the Zspeed CMAK in a few weeks.

ryennn 02-06-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3612413)
duuude.. ask them, if you bought an aftermarket CSC, can they install that instead of an OEM one, if you put that OEM one in, you're gonna have the same problem..:ugh2::ugh2:

I'm going to ask them when I get my car back so I could do that next time it fails or when I get the kit, and hopefully they'll still cover it under warranty. I didn't order the parts as I never expected it to fail at 20,000KMS, and I don't want to leave my car at the dealership for another week or longer :(

eastwest2300 02-07-2017 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ryennn (Post 3612591)
I'm going to ask them when I get my car back so I could do that next time it fails or when I get the kit, and hopefully they'll still cover it under warranty. I didn't order the parts as I never expected it to fail at 20,000KMS, and I don't want to leave my car at the dealership for another week or longer :(

ohhh dude.. i dont know man, hopefully that decision doesn't come back to bite you in the butt.

keep us posted.

ryennn 02-09-2017 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3612798)
ohhh dude.. i dont know man, hopefully that decision doesn't come back to bite you in the butt.

keep us posted.

Got my car back today. Asked if the problem happens again, if it will still be covered under warranty. Was told yes, but the problem shouldn't happen again as they "put in a brand new upgraded part" in it.

Clutch feels very smooth now, but i think the engagement point is even higher than when I got it off the lot...and a lot less "springy" feeling at the engagement point coming back up. Not sure if they changed/removed my clutch helper spring I had replaced for the OEM spring, or that I got used to the half dead clutch :ugh2:.

KCZ 02-23-2017 04:05 PM

Anyone know if they're actually using an "upgraded" part? Ryennn, do you have the part number?

JARblue 02-23-2017 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ryennn (Post 3613995)
the problem shouldn't happen again as they "put in a brand new upgraded part" in it.

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Originally Posted by KCZ (Post 3619677)
Anyone know if they're actually using an "upgraded" part? Ryennn, do you have the part number?

Total horse$hit ... dealers say that crap all the time. It is the same prone-to-fail CSC that's been around for 8 years now :shakes head:

Spooler 02-26-2017 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3588141)
Well, my 2013 with 21,000 miles just had an issue. It went to half peddle pressure Friday morning. It came back to the top with a couple of pumps but this is the tail tail sign it will be done shortly. Order a lightened flywheel and clutch kit to replace everything soon before I get stranded on the side of the road.

Here is an update just in case folks want to know about how long they have when an issue arises. I am at 27K miles and the CSC is leaking. I am seeing the fluid level drop in the reservoir. I have my new clutch kit and CSC in hand so I will be changing it out soon. I just wanted to see how far it would go after the first sign of an issue.

Kzonts 02-26-2017 01:36 PM

I'm at 27K as well but no issues. I'll be getting the CSC delete installed in a few weeks.

Spooler 02-26-2017 03:45 PM

Should I push Nissan for a resolution? I am not sure if my area's regional manager is still working or retired. I have worked with him before on customer issues back in the day when I was a Nissan Tech. I may try. It also may be a waste of my time.

Ewrjontan 02-27-2017 07:39 AM

How much are you guys paying to have the deletes/upgraded csc installed?

I have my Zspeed delete kit (still need to get a master cylinder) on hand and will be ready for it to go, but I am curious as to how much it will cost me.

JARblue 02-27-2017 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3620635)
Here is an update just in case folks want to know about how long they have when an issue arises. I am at 27K miles and the CSC is leaking. I am seeing the fluid level drop in the reservoir. I have my new clutch kit and CSC in hand so I will be changing it out soon. I just wanted to see how far it would go after the first sign of an issue.

If it's just the fluid level in the reservoir dropping, it's probably your master cylinder. The level drops when fluid gets past the seals - usually because of contaminants from the deteriorating CSC. When the CSC fails, it's typically catastrophic and you'll see fluid leaking from the transmission bell housing.

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Originally Posted by Ewrjontan (Post 3620897)
How much are you guys paying to have the deletes/upgraded csc installed?

I have my Zspeed delete kit (still need to get a master cylinder) on hand and will be ready for it to go, but I am curious as to how much it will cost me.

DIY ;) They shouldn't charge for more than 7-8 hours of labor for the transmission work. Labor is typically $80-120 per hour depending on the region.

Spooler 02-27-2017 08:54 PM

Well, my old regional service rep retired a couple of months ago. So much for that. CSC failures are not always catastrophic. I have had too many to count on older Z's. Nothing new to me. Been dealing with it since 1986. The problem now is it is in the bell housing. I checked with my parts guy and the CSC part number changed several years ago. That normally means that Nissan started using a different supplier. If they had several changes in the last couple of years that would mean they were upgrading the part. That doesn't appear to have happened.

ryennn 02-27-2017 10:11 PM

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SwampFoxes 03-01-2017 07:16 PM

csc failure? not sure?
 
So I was driving one day and the clutch went out and had no pressure. So I drained the fluid and replaced it got all the air out. Went back to normal for about a week then same thing happened, so I replaced the Master Cylinder and it has been good for about a month. Now it is going out again slowly I can just tell. It is in and out though, so I'm not sure if it is the CSC? I honestly don't want to replace it because it will cost easily 1000$. Anyone have any advice I'm just at a stand still right now.

Thanks

njobe89 03-02-2017 06:22 AM

putting gtr fluid will prolong it some, but eventually you'll just have to replace it. zspeed or z1 motorsports.

eastwest2300 03-03-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampFoxes (Post 3622195)
So I was driving one day and the clutch went out and had no pressure. So I drained the fluid and replaced it got all the air out. Went back to normal for about a week then same thing happened, so I replaced the Master Cylinder and it has been good for about a month. Now it is going out again slowly I can just tell. It is in and out though, so I'm not sure if it is the CSC? I honestly don't want to replace it because it will cost easily 1000$. Anyone have any advice I'm just at a stand still right now.

Thanks

yeah bro, you're using band-aids to fix a bigger problem, just get you the aftermarket stuff then charge the labor on your credit card..:ugh2: so you can be stress free.

CCARTIER 03-10-2017 10:01 AM

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Hi,

Wondering if it's been confirmed Nissan has upgraded the CSC or not.

shirokenkami 03-10-2017 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CCARTIER (Post 3625575)
Hi,

Wondering if it's been confirmed Nissan has upgraded the CSC or not.

No

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Joe@ZSpeed 03-10-2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CCARTIER (Post 3625575)
Hi,

Wondering if it's been confirmed Nissan has upgraded the CSC or not.

It's still plastic, Enough said?

CCARTIER 03-10-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed (Post 3625581)
It's still plastic, Enough said?

Yes, thanks.

nkeller099 03-21-2017 09:04 AM

My failure to report:
Sport package 2015
Miles - 10500

Symptoms: Spongy pedal not returning
Diagnosis: CSC failure. Took to dealer who was going to put in the GTR fluid to resolve spongy pedal. Lead tech put car on lift and found clutch fluid in tranny bellhousing from leaking CSC. Tech found fluid was trashing clutch.

Major Parts Replaced:
-CSC
-Clutch disc
-Clutch pressure plate

~$1800 in warranty repair. Dealer returned car in one day; was hassle free repair through service advisor Patrick at Nationwide in Baltimore.

Kzonts 03-21-2017 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nkeller099 (Post 3630030)
My failure to report:
Sport package 2015
Miles - 10500

Symptoms: Spongy pedal not returning
Diagnosis: CSC failure. Took to dealer who was going to put in the GTR fluid to resolve spongy pedal. Lead tech put car on lift and found clutch fluid in tranny bellhousing from leaking CSC. Tech found fluid was trashing clutch.

Major Parts Replaced:
-CSC
-Clutch disc
-Clutch pressure plate

~$1800 in warranty repair. Dealer returned car in one day; was hassle free repair through service advisor Patrick at Nationwide in Baltimore.

How hard do you drive the car? Just curious. Did they put in another stock CSC? You know what that means :-)

I'm replacing mine this Friday with Zspeed CMAK external release, and hopefully drive worry free in that respect.

Spooler 03-21-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed (Post 3625581)
It's still plastic, Enough said?

You left the POS after plastic.

eastwest2300 03-24-2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nkeller099 (Post 3630030)
My failure to report:
Sport package 2015
Miles - 10500

Symptoms: Spongy pedal not returning
Diagnosis: CSC failure. Took to dealer who was going to put in the GTR fluid to resolve spongy pedal. Lead tech put car on lift and found clutch fluid in tranny bellhousing from leaking CSC. Tech found fluid was trashing clutch.

Major Parts Replaced:
-CSC
-Clutch disc
-Clutch pressure plate

~$1800 in warranty repair. Dealer returned car in one day; was hassle free repair through service advisor Patrick at Nationwide in Baltimore.

It was an easy repair because you were within your 3year/36k warranty... :tup: once you get outside of that, you'll be on your own.

Kzonts 03-24-2017 11:28 AM

Getting mine replaced today on my own dime. I'm not waiting for it to fail. 28k on the odometer.

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phantom370z 03-24-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kzonts (Post 3631776)

What's labor running you on that job? I need to get around to getting that done myself..

Kzonts 03-24-2017 02:01 PM

$119/hr


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