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Joe@ZSpeed 03-24-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kzonts (Post 3631861)
$119/hr

Jebus, I need to raise my rates!

eastwest2300 03-24-2017 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed (Post 3631866)
Jebus, I need to raise my rates!

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Kzonts 03-24-2017 07:48 PM

It's worth it to me :-). I do some work myself, such as brakes, spacers, exhaust and fluids, but I'm not going to lay on my back and replace the CSC. Besides, I got her tuned while I was there. :tup:

I consider a day at the speed shop a good day!

RafPR 05-24-2017 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kzonts (Post 3631776)

Hello....

How you feel the clutch now with the CMAK CSC delete kit?

It happened to me when the car was 4 months old, and now 4 years later and 20,650 miles on the Odometer. I'm considering the CMAK delete kit.

Thanks.

Kzonts 05-24-2017 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RafPR (Post 3656471)
Hello....

How you feel the clutch now with the CMAK CSC delete kit?

It happened to me when the car was 4 months old, and now 4 years later and 20,650 miles on the Odometer. I'm considering the CMAK delete kit.

Thanks.

It's working great.

Whtciv2k 05-31-2017 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dubhov (Post 774590)
@DIGItonium Just to clarify, when you brought it into the dealership, they replaced the CSC because of the symptoms you told them about? The dealership is still insisting that everything seems fine, and is going to have me drive a new nismo 370 on the lot to compare next time I come in.

After bitching and moaning, I finally got them to cave so I won't have to pay for labor to investigate inside the bell-housing...should I just get them to replace the CSC regardless? I'll even pay for the part if I have to.

Any help is appreciated...I'm kind of at a loss here. Just want the clutch to feel normal again.

Not surprised. They have to take the tans apart. This is my biggest concern.

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Whtciv2k 06-01-2017 11:54 AM

Mine didn't fail yet but my resovior was completely dry. Took it into the Nissan dealership and they recognized the issue and said they would warranty replace it. 35k on the clock, dodged a nice big invoice.

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osburnrs 06-01-2017 06:58 PM

Mine went out on the track at Daytona . Only had 22K on it. Replaced with new external Z1 CSC for the next time.


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SINISTER 06-26-2017 06:31 PM

Any symptoms that are typical to look out for? Clutch fluid lower/ leaks/ dirty clutch fluid/sounds from clutch/ Or does it just fail out of the blue and your clutch sticks to the floor?

osburnrs 06-26-2017 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SINISTER (Post 3668480)
Any symptoms that are typical to look out for? Clutch fluid lower/ leaks/ dirty clutch fluid/sounds from clutch/ Or does it just fail out of the blue and your clutch sticks to the floor?



Mine just left me. No dirty fluid, nothing. I track mine more than street it, so I change the fluid often with Motul 600. Never looked dirty just gets cooked.


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SINISTER 06-26-2017 07:11 PM

Wow ....anyone else had symptoms like I mentioned in post #1691?

BboyZ 06-26-2017 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SINISTER (Post 3668480)
Any symptoms that are typical to look out for? Clutch fluid lower/ leaks/ dirty clutch fluid/sounds from clutch/ Or does it just fail out of the blue and your clutch sticks to the floor?

On mine, it happen at 1500 miles.
it just fail out of the blue and your pedal sticks to the floor.
Work around for me to make it to the dealer was pull the pedal up.

eastwest2300 06-30-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SINISTER (Post 3668494)
Wow ....anyone else had symptoms like I mentioned in post #1691?

its not a matter of if, but a matter of when.. if you're driving a manual.. replace the csc/cmc on YOUR terms, not on your Z's terms.

Initial Z 08-22-2017 02:04 AM

Mine might have went this week. It has 77k.
My fluid was just at or below the MIN mark.
Pedal had about an inch/ inch and a1/2 of play but not all the time.
It happened mostly at night. Felt like air or moisture in the line. Fluid could have cooked some?

osburnrs 08-22-2017 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Initial Z (Post 3687170)
Mine might have went this week. It has 77k.

My fluid was just at or below the MIN mark.

Pedal had about an inch/ inch and a1/2 of play but not all the time.

It happened mostly at night. Felt like air or moisture in the line. Fluid could have cooked some?



Fill it and bleed it. If that doesn't help, you're probably toast. At 77k on your baby, you just as well change the clutch while you're in there and I would recommend installing the external csc from Z1. Good luck with the repairs but if you got 77K out of it, you may have set a record!


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eastwest2300 08-22-2017 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by osburnrs (Post 3687182)
Fill it and bleed it. If that doesn't help, you're probably toast. At 77k on your baby, you just as well change the clutch while you're in there and I would recommend installing the external csc from Z1. Good luck with the repairs but if you got 77K out of it, you may have set a record!


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Initial Z 08-22-2017 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Initial Z (Post 3687170)
Mine might have went this week. It has 77k.
My fluid was just at or below the MIN mark.
Pedal had about an inch/ inch and a1/2 of play but not all the time.
It happened mostly at night. Felt like air or moisture in the line. Fluid could have cooked some?

Turns out if was air/moisture in the lines from 77k mile fluid burning off. No leaks and the service bulletin said use GT-R brake fluid. Though I may switch to Motul rbf 600.


I guess it was the equivalent to a baby having gas.:icon17:

osburnrs 08-22-2017 10:21 PM

Great news! I run Motul in the entire drive and brakes. Be sure to change that nasty diff oil while you're at it.


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geddit 09-01-2017 06:55 AM

Had my second replacement for the CSC done today...Keep up the god job NISSAN..

eastwest2300 09-06-2017 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by geddit (Post 3689902)
Had my second replacement for the CSC done today...Keep up the god job NISSAN..

sh1t.:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Vigoss 09-06-2017 07:27 PM

So, finally I'm here...

My clutch started to lose pressure and usually after a long drive on highway it's not bouncing back. I took it to the dealer. Of course they changed the GTR fluid. I told them it should be the CSC or CMC issue but they said they didn't find any leaking and the service bulletin told them to change the fluid. What I could do...

After changing the fluid, the symptom got better. But the clutch was still soft and the friction point was still low and vague, especially on highway after a long drive. I took it back to the dealer. Maybe because the weather was getting colder, the technician said he couldn't reproduce the issue and refused to admit the soft and vague clutch feel.

So I'm wondering if my symptom is indicating a CSC failure (technician stated no leakage...).

I have 50k on the z, still under a certified pre-owned limited warranty, which is basically the same as the powertrain warranty. But the dealer said CSC was not under my warranty (they said they checked it in the labor opt) but only under gold premium warranty. Does that sound correct?

Thanks in advance!

eastwest2300 09-07-2017 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vigoss (Post 3691149)
So, finally I'm here...

My clutch started to lose pressure and usually after a long drive on highway it's not bouncing back. I took it to the dealer. Of course they changed the GTR fluid. I told them it should be the CSC or CMC issue but they said they didn't find any leaking and the service bulletin told them to change the fluid. What I could do...

After changing the fluid, the symptom got better. But the clutch was still soft and the friction point was still low and vague, especially on highway after a long drive. I took it back to the dealer. Maybe because the weather was getting colder, the technician said he couldn't reproduce the issue and refused to admit the soft and vague clutch feel.

So I'm wondering if my symptom is indicating a CSC failure (technician stated no leakage...).

I have 50k on the z, still under a certified pre-owned limited warranty, which is basically the same as the powertrain warranty. But the dealer said CSC was not under my warranty (they said they checked it in the labor opt) but only under gold premium warranty. Does that sound correct?

Thanks in advance!

I'd be setting a plan of action, i.e. a new upgraded CSC (either from Z1 or Zspeed) a new oem CMC, and if you're into performance mods, look into maybe upgrading your flywheel and clutch..

They've already told you your CSC wasnt covered under warranty (which is utterly ridiculous) and once it fails, they'll only want to replace it with another sh1tty oem one.. so if I were you, I'd be looking for a shop that will install an aftermarket one.. do it now while you're still on the road.

good luck bro.

Misnomer 09-07-2017 12:52 PM

In June 2015 my CSC died, at 30K miles. From this thread I knew that it was best to proactively replace the CMC at the same time, and the shop I went to swore they replaced the "entire clutch assembly." Every time I asked what "entire assembly" meant they just repeated that it was the whole thing -- everything involving the clutch. (I was very stupid and did not make them give me a detailed receipt/invoice: it just said "heavy duty clutch kit.") I figured I was good for the rest of the car's life.

22K miles and almost exactly two years later -- about 3 months ago -- the pedal started sticking again. The day before I was supposed to drive from DC to Cape Cod. I brought it back to the same shop (because s**t should last longer than two years), and it turns out that "entire clutch assembly" meant "except for the CMC." Most of the staff had turned over, and I had no way to prove that I'd asked about it/been given the impression it was replaced along with the CSC. This time I made them look up the details about what the "heavy duty clutch kit" included and give me a copy along with the invoice for the CMC replacement.

*sigh*

Vigoss 09-08-2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3691320)
I'd be setting a plan of action, i.e. a new upgraded CSC (either from Z1 or Zspeed) a new oem CMC, and if you're into performance mods, look into maybe upgrading your flywheel and clutch..

They've already told you your CSC wasnt covered under warranty (which is utterly ridiculous) and once it fails, they'll only want to replace it with another sh1tty oem one.. so if I were you, I'd be looking for a shop that will install an aftermarket one.. do it now while you're still on the road.

good luck bro.


Thanks man. I need to think about it cause it's not a cheap fix. I love z but hate Nissan quality...

geddit 09-11-2017 04:51 AM

There has been an ongoing problem with the CSC, is there a comparison thread on aftermarket CSC from various manufacturers ? I'm in two minds whether to purchase another CSC and MC just in case the replaced set conks out without any warning. All in replacement was $383. So it was a bearable cost.

JARblue 09-11-2017 08:16 AM

ZSpeed > Z1 when it comes to aftermarket CSC replacement options. ZSpeed also offers both an internal HD CSC or an external, self-adjusting delete kit. Just call up Joe at ZSpeed and he will answer any questions you might have.

Vigoss 09-11-2017 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by geddit (Post 3692252)
There has been an ongoing problem with the CSC, is there a comparison thread on aftermarket CSC from various manufacturers ? I'm in two minds whether to purchase another CSC and MC just in case the replaced set conks out without any warning. All in replacement was $383. So it was a bearable cost.


I suppose that's just the parts cost? You didn't count the labor, did you? :confused:

eastwest2300 09-15-2017 08:59 AM

Yeah the labor alone will cost you 2 to 3 times the cost of the parts.. :ugh:

geddit 09-15-2017 11:09 PM

The cost of CSC inclusive of labour was $383. It just take them about 3 hours to drop the transmission and replace the CSC.

Whjaxn17 11-02-2017 11:35 AM

Is this still an issue on the new models? I see people are still having problems, but it appears to still be 11-13 year models. Has this been addressed or is it still only a matter of time on my '17? I'm at 5700 and some change, brand new.

Kzonts 11-02-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3704516)
Is this still an issue on the new models? I see people are still having problems, but it appears to still be 11-13 year models. Has this been addressed or is it still only a matter of time on my '17? I'm at 5700 and some change, brand new.

Yes. Unfortunately it's still an issue.

Whjaxn17 11-02-2017 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kzonts (Post 3704545)
Yes. Unfortunately it's still an issue.

Alright, I'll get a delete kit on the way. May go ahead and order a lightweight flywheel and get that done while they're in there. I wish Nissan would cover doing this prior to failure as a preventative measure, or obviously just fix the thing at the factory.

TreeSemdyZee 11-02-2017 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3704548)
Alright, I'll get a delete kit on the way. May go ahead and order a lightweight flywheel and get that done while they're in there. I wish Nissan would cover doing this prior to failure as a preventative measure, or obviously just fix the thing at the factory.

Re-engineer a bad part from the factory? Is this your first Nissan?

Do the lightweight flywheel. The response is awesome and it sounds pretty cool too.

Whjaxn17 11-03-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 3704617)
Re-engineer a bad part from the factory? Is this your first Nissan?

Do the lightweight flywheel. The response is awesome and it sounds pretty cool too.

Haha yeah, it is. I love it, though.

TreeSemdyZee 11-03-2017 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3704782)
Haha yeah, it is. I love it, though.

Yeah. Me too. 121,000+ miles and I still love to mash the go pedal.
I'd like to thank the police for being nowhere near me last night.
70 degrees. Overcast. Light breeze. Perfect weather to do a little rompage.

YO-EL 01-30-2018 06:13 PM

My son's 2016 just took a dump at a busy intersection in Baltimore, just under 11,000 miles...clutch stuck on floor, etc....
Don't want him to have dealer put in OEM stuff..
Can you direct me as to where you got all your stuff?
I believe its getting towed to Antwerpen/Security Nissan..
Thx,

Kzonts 01-31-2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by YO-EL (Post 3726042)
My son's 2016 just took a dump at a busy intersection in Baltimore, just under 11,000 miles...clutch stuck on floor, etc....
Don't want him to have dealer put in OEM stuff..
Can you direct me as to where you got all your stuff?
I believe its getting towed to Antwerpen/Security Nissan..
Thx,

Go to ZSpeed and get the CSC delete...

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YO-EL 01-31-2018 01:48 PM

CMAK is Backordered!

Trying to get the ZSP Stage 2 EZ-Street Quiet Clutch + Billet Flywheel + HD Slave

Is the CMAK CSC Delete also needed?

Thx

Kzonts 01-31-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by YO-EL (Post 3726364)
CMAK is Backordered!

Trying to get the ZSP Stage 2 EZ-Street Quiet Clutch + Billet Flywheel + HD Slave

Is the CMAK CSC Delete also needed?

Thx

If you get the HD slave then no....

klint 02-03-2018 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3704516)
Is this still an issue on the new models? I see people are still having problems, but it appears to still be 11-13 year models. Has this been addressed or is it still only a matter of time on my '17? I'm at 5700 and some change, brand new.

Got a '14 with about 56k on the ODO. Mine just died as I pulled into the office. Going to have it towed and inspected at the stealership in the morning. :shakes head:


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