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Z eliminator 01-06-2014 02:58 PM

Ive got the built 7AT stage 4 from GTM.
In MM it shifts are lighting fast.
ive data loged my stock one and with the 4.08 gears,it shift in.032 of a second . first to second gear. I got .28 for the GTM .
the GTM shifts way faster and firmer.
my stock one did the 1/4 in 12.32. its too bad that the motor broke before i had a chance to get a good tune in the car on uprev. the 12.32 was with my Cobb tune.
The big improvemnt is the 4th to 5th shift. .62 stock to just around .40 of a second.
i fell with a good tune it would have gone low 12.1s.
it will be hooked to the GTM 4.2 stroker N/A and run down the track in april. next the stage 3 sc goes on.
will keep you guys posted.

Z

RoadsterST 01-06-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2639549)
Ive got the built 7AT stage 4 from GTM.
In MM it shifts are lighting fast.
ive data loged my stock one and with the 4.08 gears,it shift in.032 of a second . first to second gear. I got .28 for the GTM .
the GTM shifts way faster and firmer.
my stock one did the 1/4 in 12.32. its too bad that the motor broke before i had a chance to get a good tune in the car on uprev. the 12.32 was with my Cobb tune.
The big improvemnt is the 4th to 5th shift. .62 stock to just around .40 of a second.
i fell with a good tune it would have gone low 12.1s.
it will be hooked to the GTM 4.2 stroker N/A and run down the track in april. next the stage 3 sc goes on.
will keep you guys posted.

Z

Nice.. was not aware they modified the 7at as well..

merkil 02-08-2014 08:46 PM

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZts...ature=youtu.be

Nismo89 02-08-2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by merkil (Post 2685085)
I'll just leave this here...

Z34 FSW

sounds so nice , like ive always said I love my 7AT :)

I fixed it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZts9JNJC0&feature=youtu.be

FERRARI 02-09-2014 11:38 AM

Learn how to downshift
 
Notice the yellow Corvette has a manual and knows how to downshift......

Zerocool 03-19-2014 09:02 PM

Absolutely subjective and it's your personal preference. I've driven M/T before with my old integra fart can machine. M/T is a lot of fun and you feel more in control of the vehicle. When I went Z hunting, I knew I wanted the 7sp A/T. The 7sp is actually pretty good and i was very surprised after driving it for hours.

Reason's I went with an A/T over the M/T:
I live in the city and there's always traffic. (my Z is my DD because....well it's my only car)
I have a herniated disc(being young with a disc problem, blows) and sometimes when it acts up, It pinches my nerve my left leg.
Clutching in and out on a sports car with a clutch that's stiff with the kind of back problems I have isn't worth it for me.

Some might even ask "LOL SO WHY THE HELL DID YOU GET IT?" easy, it's a damn Z.

also all of the newer supercars these days are getting rid of the the manual box and using the paddle shifters because it WORKS. It also shifts a lot faster and that's what they're looking for.

Optimiser 03-20-2014 06:40 AM

I would drive a manual in traffic just to despite the auto drivers.

wstar 03-20-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Optimiser (Post 2744613)
I would drive a manual in traffic just to despite the auto drivers.

I would drive an auto on the track just to spite the 6MT drivers who don't know the difference between 'spite' and 'despite' ;)

Gee 03-21-2014 08:49 AM

I didn't like the 7AT. I thought it changed up too soon. But that's just me. The 6MT with rev matcher is pretty good IMHO.

I have a Jeep Wrangler which is auto and I like that, so its not like I have a pathological hatred of autos that a lot of sports car drivers do.

tonybell_57 05-12-2014 08:26 AM

A little something for you 7AT haters...
 
I've heard many car enthusiasts, not just Z owners, complain that real sports cars have manual transmissions. So, just out of curiosity, I did a couple of Google searches and found this:

What is the last car Ferrari made with a manual transmission?
The Last Fully Manual Ferrari

What is the last car Lamborghini made with a manual transmission?
Lamborghini Prepares Its Final Manual Transmission Model | The Truth About Cars

So, automotive Luddites :D, I bring you the future.

( Click to show/hide )
Disclaimer:
In all honesty, I also am a big fan of the manual transmission. I drove a Honda S2000 until very recently. When it became necessary to replace it, and I chose a 370Z Roadster, I went with a 7AT mainly because I have a left knee that needs replacing and I drive in Atlanta during rush hour twice a day.

Chuck33079 05-12-2014 08:31 AM

Um, Lambo and Ferrari "autos" have very little in common with torque convertor autos like Nissan uses. The good ones still have a clutch or two, it's just computer controlled.

Solomatrix 05-12-2014 08:33 AM

yay another AT vs MT flamebait thread

Chuck33079 05-12-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by happydog (Post 2815244)
yay another AT vs MT flamebait thread

Yep. It'll either be shut down by noon or rolled into the big 7AT vs 6MT thread where everyone defends whichever one they bought to the death.

Mitco39 05-12-2014 08:55 AM

lol..

http://i.imgur.com/TEctsYl.gif

Chuck33079 05-12-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39 (Post 2815279)

That is fantastic. :roflpuke2:

Solomatrix 05-12-2014 08:58 AM

http://i.imgur.com/QKd9ee0.gif

Solomatrix 05-12-2014 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39 (Post 2815279)

:bowrofl:

houkouonchi 05-12-2014 09:45 AM

My GT-R is a dual-clutched transmission. It is really more like a manual without a clutch than an automatic. I am really really hard-core manual transmission driver but other than no clutch it drives and has all the control of the manual so I made a compromise. Even if it is slower being manual I do wish they had a manual transmission version but in the end I am pretty happy with it.

kenchan 05-12-2014 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonybell_57 (Post 2815234)
I've heard many car enthusiasts, not just Z owners, complain that real sports cars have manual transmissions. So, just out of curiosity, I did a couple of Google searches and found this:

What is the last car Ferrari made with a manual transmission?
The Last Fully Manual Ferrari

What is the last car Lamborghini made with a manual transmission?
Lamborghini Prepares Its Final Manual Transmission Model | The Truth About Cars

So, automotive Luddites :D, I bring you the future.

( Click to show/hide )
Disclaimer:
In all honesty, I also am a big fan of the manual transmission. I drove a Honda S2000 until very recently. When it became necessary to replace it, and I chose a 370Z Roadster, I went with a 7AT mainly because I have a left knee that needs replacing and I drive in Atlanta during rush hour twice a day.

i dont think you understand.... wat i dont like about AT is its torque converter. electronic clutch AT is pretty cool. but then the roads in my area are mostly straight. fast stable car with AT = :yawn:

watson853 05-12-2014 09:53 AM

Why all the hate for a torque converter auto that shifts faster than every manual here. I admit I used to hate them but then I drove it and honestly was really impressed.


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kenchan 05-12-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2815348)
Why all the hate for a torque converter auto that shifts faster than every manual here. I admit I used to hate them but then I drove it and honestly was really impressed.


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because the point isnt about just shifting faster. it's about enjoying the driving experience.

at least the Z's torque converter seems to have a lock-up mechanism for all gears except 1st.

Chuck33079 05-12-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2815348)
Why all the hate for a torque converter auto that shifts faster than every manual here. I admit I used to hate them but then I drove it and honestly was really impressed.


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Where is the hate? Most people admit the 7AT is a great transmission. There's just a lot of people who don't want an auto no matter how good it is, especially one with a torque converter. Shift speed means exactly ****.

kenchan 05-12-2014 11:39 AM

kinda like if you enjoy music you'd probably play an instrument... even if a computer can play it 10x faster and perfectly each time than you does not mean it's better or more fun.

i like how AT drivers including corolla-s folks are all race car drivers on the street. :icon17:

Roddy1 05-12-2014 03:12 PM

:facepalm:

Whatever floats your boat. Alot of automatics these days shift wayyyy quicker than a manual transmission, but I like having a manual since it is so engaging. A monkey could drive an automatic. Not much talent to just pushing your right foot down and holding onto the steerting wheel.

Up next: Video games where all you have to do is hit start, then then the game just plays for you.

And after that, much like the player piano's of the early 1900's, cars will drive for us and maybe we will be able to get them programed to be driven to a certain style... Maybe a Tanner Faust download...then you just sit back, and get driven to work or the grocery store without having any input. So much FUN

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...698198&pid=1.7

Tazicon 05-12-2014 03:30 PM

I do have a PDK in one of my cars..............I really like it. If you think you just press the gas to use one you are sadly mistaken.

kenchan 05-12-2014 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roddy1 (Post 2815768)
:facepalm:

Whatever floats your boat. Alot of automatics these days shift wayyyy quicker than a manual transmission, but I like having a manual since it is so engaging. A monkey could drive an automatic. Not much talent to just pushing your right foot down and holding onto the steerting wheel.

Up next: Video games where all you have to do is hit start, then then the game just plays for you.

And after that, much like the player piano's of the early 1900's, car will drive for us and maybe we will be able to get them programed to be driven to a certain style... Maybe a Tanner Faust download...then you just sit back, in any seat and maybe the back seat and get driven to work or the grocery store without having any input. So much FUN

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...698198&pid=1.7

:bowrofl:

kenchan 05-12-2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazicon (Post 2815778)
I do have a PDK in one of my cars..............I really like it. If you think you just press the gas to use one you are sadly mistaken.

why you crash into a tree or something? :rofl2:

jpkirk 05-12-2014 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roddy1 (Post 2815768)
:facepalm:

Whatever floats your boat. So much FUN

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...698198&pid=1.7

HEY! Those girls are kinda cute.

Jordo! 05-12-2014 03:42 PM

All I really care about is performance.

The 7AT on our cars shifts very fast, can be tuned to shift faster, and shows no evidence of greater drivetrain losses than the MT. As such, the 7AT is typically found a bit quicker than the 6MT in magazine tests of straight line acceleration.

The 6AT on the FR-S shifts slower and shows definite greater drivetrain loss than the 6MT for that car -- pass!

The Veloceter has a dual clutch AT that is found much slower in road/magazine tests than it's MT counterpart -- not sure on drivetrain losses, but also pass.

There are very few quirks with the 370's 7AT that are not greatly outweighed by its merits -- it only fluid couples in first anyway, so with full lock up, it's a solid, direct connection between engine, gear, and driveshaft.

If Nissan can make a tranny for the next gen Z that is a dual clutch type -- great! Provided, of course, it delivers better performance than the current offering. If it can't why bother? Just refine the current offering so that I can continue to endure traffic jams and still have a blast on an open road.

Solomatrix 05-12-2014 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roddy1 (Post 2815768)
:facepalm:

Whatever floats your boat. Alot of automatics these days shift wayyyy quicker than a manual transmission, but I like having a manual since it is so engaging. A monkey could drive an automatic. Not much talent to just pushing your right foot down and holding onto the steerting wheel.

Up next: Video games where all you have to do is hit start, then then the game just plays for you.

And after that, much like the player piano's of the early 1900's, car will drive for us and maybe we will be able to get them programed to be driven to a certain style... Maybe a Tanner Faust download...then you just sit back, in any seat and maybe the back seat and get driven to work or the grocery store without having any input. So much FUN

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...698198&pid=1.7

not sure if they're laughing because bad grammar and supposed to be "an automatic" or because automatic transmission

kenchan 05-12-2014 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2815797)
All I really care about is performance.

The 7AT on our cars shifts very fast, can be tuned to shift faster, and shows no evidence of greater drivetrain losses than the MT. As such, the 7AT is typically found a bit quicker than the 6MT in magazine tests of straight line acceleration.

The 6AT on the FR-S shifts slower and shows definite greater drivetrain loss than the 6MT for that car -- pass!

The Veloceter has a dual clutch AT that is found much slower in road/magazine tests than it's MT counterpart -- not sure on drivetrain losses, but also pass.

There are very few quirks with the 370's 7AT that are not greatly outweighed by its merits -- it only fluid couples in first anyway, so with full lock up, it's a solid, direct connection between engine, gear, and driveshaft.

If Nissan can make a tranny for the next gen Z that is a dual clutch type -- great! Provided, of course, it delivers better performance than the current offering. If it can't why bother? Just refine the current offering so that I can continue to endure traffic jams and still have a blast on an open road.

why you bring out a veloceter. :shakes head: we're talking cars, not appliances with skinny sedan tires.

TheBoomSpoon 05-12-2014 04:14 PM

I bought the 7at so i could pet my kitty while driving with my free hand. i call that manly and dominant. Besides im white i dont care what white girls think.....

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watson853 05-12-2014 04:24 PM

No need to argue over transmissions. I'm just tired of all the torque converter comments. If it shifts nearly as quick as a dual clutch, proves to be more reliable than a dual clutch, and deff shifts faster than a human then where is the down side.


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kenchan 05-12-2014 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2815875)
No need to argue over transmissions. I'm just tired of all the torque converter comments. If it shifts nearly as quick as a dual clutch, proves to be more reliable than a dual clutch, and deff shifts faster than a human then where is the down side.


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boring

Tadpole 05-12-2014 04:37 PM

I loved the manuals back in the day but now with traffic and the stop and go in most major cities causes havoc driving anything with a clutch in it. Try eating a candy bar or drink your coffee on the way to work. Try having your wife drive one listening the grinding and lugging of the gears. Shall I go on??? The Auto's are fantastic to drive and if you want to play, just hit the paddles and go. Nothing wrong with either but my preference is the auto and it's good for the old farts that drive them.

Chuck33079 05-12-2014 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2815875)
No need to argue over transmissions. I'm just tired of all the torque converter comments. If it shifts nearly as quick as a dual clutch, proves to be more reliable than a dual clutch, and deff shifts faster than a human then where is the down side.


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Well, for one it damn sure can't handle the power the 6mt can. If you like it that's great but let's not make it out to be second coming of Christ.

watson853 05-12-2014 04:41 PM

^ Exactly my wife nearly destroyed my STI 6 speed. If it wasn't for the 370z 7at I'd be driving some bloated infinity or Lexus sedan.


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kenchan 05-12-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2815889)
^ Exactly my wife nearly destroyed my STI 6 speed. If it wasn't for the 370z 7at I'd be driving some bloated infinity or Lexus sedan.


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wait, i think you read that opposite.

kenchan 05-12-2014 04:45 PM

like xip's reverse emoticon post.

i crashed my Z today :tup:
i got a new set of wheels today woot! :crying:

watson853 05-12-2014 04:53 PM

Yea I was referring to tadpoles post...... And Chuck the manual is by far stronger your absolutely right. My car is stock and I have no interest in modding if I did I would have of course picked the MT. But as I stated earlier I needed a car me and my wife could both enjoy. I certainly don't think it's the greatest thing ever but for a torque converted auto it's pretty god damn impressive.


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