Mobil 1/Redline

370Zsteve · 11-18-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan Chee Hoe

Why support the French while they never support the U.S..?I hate the French,they are the most selfish persons on earth.!

Stupid comment. Freedom Fries, anyone? Nissan is what, half-French owned?

France opposed the invasion of Iraq. Who was right?

If not for France, there would be no USA. You know that, yes?

Sorry to keep this guy's OT post going, but this kind of sh*t pisses me off.

j.arnaldo · 11-18-2009, 11:14 AM

As long as it's classified as an "ester" oil, you're doing fine. Both are, BTW (yes, flamers, I did my homework and checked!) I got a sweet deal on Mobil 1 ($4.95/qt. with NO excise tax!). I change it every 7,500k 'cause I'm a conservative driver--60 y.o. I treat her with T.L.C.!
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semtex · 11-18-2009, 11:27 AM

Can you provide a link to where Mobil 1 is listed as having esters?

LiquidZ · 11-18-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Can you provide a link to where Mobil 1 is listed as having esters?

I might be mistaken, but I think its one of their high mileage formulations.

j.arnaldo · 11-18-2009, 01:23 PM

Mobil 1 ? The World?s Leading Synthetic Motor Oil Brand ? Official Global Website (check the 5W30 product details).

semtex · 11-18-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

Mobil 1 ? The World?s Leading Synthetic Motor Oil Brand ? Official Global Website (check the 5W30 product details).

The word ester does not appear for any of their three synthetic 5W-30 formulations. You said you did the research, so please show us EXACTLY where Mobil claims that their 5W-30 formulation -- any of them -- contain esters.

These links go directly to the Product Data Sheets for each of their synthetic 5W-30 formulations.

Mobil 1 5W-30
Mobil 1 High Mileage Oils
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30

semtex · 11-18-2009, 01:39 PM

Now this is interesting. I just found this FAQ on Mobil's site:

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...n_Engines.aspx

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Question:
Ester Oil and Nissan Engines
I've just purchased a Nissan 2009 370Z, which has a 3.7 liter engine that produces 332 HP @ 7500 RPM's, and has a compression ratio of 11 to 1. I've been advised by the Service Manager at Cronic Nissan to run Ester Oil in the engine rather than a good grade of oil, like a 5W-30W. He said that Nissan recommends it. Well, I've researched everything I can find regarding the use of Ester Oil in my Nissan 2009 370Z, and I've been unable to find anything that alludes to the use of Ester Oil in the 370Z engine! What's up with the Ester Oil thing? The only use for Ester Oil that I'm familiar with is for air conditioner compressors and other types of compressors!
-- Larry Young, Tyrone, GA

Answer:
We have not been able to get much information on the Nissan Ester Oil but our analysis indicates that it is part or full synthetic oil. Many synthetic oils, including Mobil 1, contain a variety of synthetic fluids, and usually this includes esters. We would recommend Mobil 1 5W-30 or Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5W-30 for these applications.

Their answer seems kinda dodgy to me. It "usually" includes esters???

ChrisSlicks · 11-18-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

I might be mistaken, but I think its one of their high mileage formulations.

I don't think the base M1 has esters according to this, it a group III mineral oil (PAO) with Alkylated Naphthalenes.

Mobil 1 no esters - Bob Is The Oil Guy

feelzpwr91 · 11-18-2009, 02:10 PM

Nah im not pushing the car that hard, mobil 1 is working real nice

LiquidZ · 11-18-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I don't think the base M1 has esters according to this, it a group III mineral oil (PAO) with Alkylated Naphthalenes.

Mobil 1 no esters - Bob Is The Oil Guy

PAO is actually a 100% synthetic base stock. I think at one point M1 was using a mix of group 3 and PAO.

ChrisSlicks · 11-18-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

PAO is actually a 100% synthetic base stock. I think at one point M1 was using a mix of group 3 and PAO.

My bad. PAO is short for poly-alpha-olefin, which is a Group IV. It is believed that M1 5-30W is a blend of group III and group IV oils.

zippin · 11-24-2009, 06:59 AM

Go with redline. Great syn oil and redline states on their site that esters are included in 5w30 formula. With m1 you have no idea....they are too classified with the formulation....as if one of us is going to reverse engineer their formula...lol.

370Zsteve · 11-24-2009, 07:23 AM

[QUOTE=semtex;285750]The word ester does not appear for any of their three synthetic 5W-30 formulations. You said you did the research, so please show us EXACTLY where Mobil claims that their 5W-30 formulation -- any of them -- contain esters.

These links go directly to the Product Data Sheets for each of their synthetic 5W-30 formulations.

Mobil 1 5W-30
Mobil 1 High Mileage Oils
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30[/QUOTE

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...n_Engines.aspx]

"We have not been able to get much information on the Nissan Ester Oil but our analysis indicates that it is part or full synthetic oil. Many synthetic oils, including Mobil 1, contain a variety of synthetic fluids, and usually this includes esters."

ChrisSlicks · 11-24-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

"Many synthetic oils, including Mobil 1, contain a variety of synthetic fluids, and usually this includes esters."

LOL, that statement could not be more vague. It suggests that many manufacturers may use esters but in no way commits that Mobil 1 does. I'm sure they do use some but I have to laugh at their data sheets.

370Zsteve · 11-24-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

LOL, that statement could not be more vague. It suggests that many manufacturers may use esters but in no way commits that Mobil 1 does. I'm sure they do use some but I have to laugh at their data sheets.

I'm thinking since they said "including Mobil 1", they meant "including Mobil 1".

Agree about their data sheets, they don't exactly give away the formulas. Of course, they do not contain the Magic Nissan Nanoparticles, so the oil is entirely useless.

11-18-2009, 11:27 AM	#18 (permalink)
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370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 42	[QUOTE=semtex;285750]The word ester does not appear for any of their three synthetic 5W-30 formulations. You said you did the research, so please show us EXACTLY where Mobil claims that their 5W-30 formulation -- any of them -- contain esters. These links go directly to the Product Data Sheets for each of their synthetic 5W-30 formulations. Mobil 1 5W-30 Mobil 1 High Mileage Oils Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30[/QUOTE https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...n_Engines.aspx] "We have not been able to get much information on the Nissan Ester Oil but our analysis indicates that it is part or full synthetic oil. Many synthetic oils, including Mobil 1, contain a variety of synthetic fluids, and usually this includes esters." __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

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j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	As long as it's classified as an "ester" oil, you're doing fine. Both are, BTW (yes, flamers, I did my homework and checked!) I got a sweet deal on Mobil 1 ($4.95/qt. with NO excise tax!). I change it every 7,500k 'cause I'm a conservative driver--60 y.o. I treat her with T.L.C.! __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________ '04.5 Touring Coupe//K&N//93 octane Texaco ONLY//Flawless ride!

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zippin Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 57 Drives: '10 370Z 40th #944 Rep Power: 15	Go with redline. Great syn oil and redline states on their site that esters are included in 5w30 formula. With m1 you have no idea....they are too classified with the formulation....as if one of us is going to reverse engineer their formula...lol.