You got a money tree in the back yard. Just pick and few Benjamins off of it.

if i was looking to get these for a 7at what other supporting mods would i need?

Bob has the money tree. I'm not boosted

Wow, that dyno is a heartbreaker. Good before and after numbers though.

LMAO my wife has the pruning sheers!

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Man I need those

Group buy is soon, I'm sure I'll see your name. I'm trying to get eddie on this as well

I know this really isn't a valid comparison to other dynos however. He picked up 54whp and nearly 30tq over stock. Most stock Zs baseline around 280whp on other dynos. Wouldn't it be something if this car is really putting down somewhere in the realm of 340whp.

So as Daelen mentioned, the day after it was finished I flew up to drive it back fromtheir shoo to Huntsville, AL. This happened over a two day stretch. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the changes, as I've done limited spirited driving with it mostly due to spending a majority of the trip in VA where the laws are not worth the risk of being pulled over.

So in no particular order, here's some rambling about the car so far.

First thoughts after I made the first 3rd gear pull was how better the powerband is. I think Daelen and I both just laughed. The car is a different animal. Power comes on strong right before 3k and pulls solid up to 8k rpm. While it's never going to match FI power levels, it's a nice linear powerband that always has enough power on tap. The most noticeable thing cruising on the highway is how much more effective 6th gear is. Before this work, 6th in my car as just cruising flat land to save fuel. The car kinda lugged up hills and such. Not awful but not inspiring confidence. Post cam install you can actually use 6th to pass uphill with relative ease. Feels more like 5th. That trend flows down through the other gears. Everything feels faster.

Sound wise, the idle has a slight choppiness to it but otherwise it's similar to what it sounded like before. I'll have some video soon.

Overall I am super happy with the results, the quality of work, and the quality of parts used. SuckerPunch Motorsports really came through on the pump just in time and it allowed us to safely raise the limit. As soon as I get my pressure gauge installed I'll be doing some behavioral studies of it for everyone.

It's been a long weekend, already a long week at work, and I'm trying to get the car ready for gridlife south so I apologize in advance if this quick review doesn't make a lot of sense. Ask questions and I'll be happy to answer them.

These are definitely on my list.
Along with heads and oil pump and what ever else my builder thinks is worth while to do while the engine is out..

Can't wait to see what these put down on a dynojet.

I'm taking this car to see Jon at Z1 for some pulls on their dyno. I need dyno jet sheets for classing next year and a local(ish) baseline for when I start tinkering with the intake side. There's more power in the car if I can get the airflow to it.

How does this compare to version 1

Wow, those new cams look awesome...I thought it was gonna be a while longer still...wish I had waited haha. So, safe-ish to say that its about 27 more whp and just 8 wtq less than the gen 1 cams?

By the way, I appreciate the help. I got a hold of Daelen, and he told me what was going on and what to do. So, thank you.

Side by side of the two dynos in this thread:

http://xadune.com/Pictures/Car/DYNOcompCAMS.jpg

C1 cams car had only a cat back and intake. 298hp and 227tq => 309.5hp and 258tq with cams, C1

C2 cams car had long tubes and a cat back plus an intake. 268whp and 219ftlb => 305whp and 241ftlb with cams, C2

So 11.5whp and 31tq (C1) vs. 37whp and 22tq (C2)

You can see the C2 hold onto the torque much more at the end there giving it those nice HP gains at the end.


And price is the same for either set, correct?

Also, what are the specs on these new cams? They are not yet posted on JWT's website.

For reference for anyone here is the C1 cam card:

http://xadune.com/Pictures/Car/JWT C1 Cams.jpg

How would these compare to the jun 288 cams?

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So the restriction is in on the intake side?

Yeah, my car is running Z1 intakes (my set are 2.47" ID) and stock TBs and Manifolds. The tuner at MA has already told me I need to open up the intake side based on the data he logged.

I just got it back this week so I am evaluating how best to approach finding and solving the next hurdles. I know what head work I need to do, and I know TBs and Intake piping are the next hurdle anyway. Easy button is ITBs but I'm not taking the car off the street long enough to develop a stable setup just yet. I'll be evaluating options over the next couple weeks. Gridlife prep is in full swing now as I still have to hang and oil cooler, front splitter, and finish my brake duct system. Then it goes for corner balance and a spring change.

More feedback from the daily driving from the last few days.

-Finally got stopped at lunch today for "over accelerating up an entrance ramp." Cop wanted to know what sort of forced induction I had done to make it move that fast (Not the first time he's stopped me in town :rolleyes:) Explaining the recent work made him forget to write me a citation.

-In town driving is still very smooth once you get used to the difference in power band. My twin plate clutch can be stubborn at times but the tuning has made it easier to deal with. Engine rev matches by heel toe or SRM really well. I'd venture a guess the engine is a slight bit more responsive but I still think the intake system is limiting the potential.

My overall impression is this car is just plain fun now. I have yet to be waiting on power to arrive playing around by myself on the street. Really really eager to see what happens at Road Atlanta later this month. There were a few turns I just could not get out of fast enough and I think these cams will allow me to gain quite a bit of time in corner exit.

If people are around North Alabama and want to see the car in person give me a shout. This is one of those seeing/feeling is believing things.

Correct!

Nothing other than listed honestly, I will be doing a 7at in a week or two so I will update with results at that time alos!


Lol yeah, it can hurt some feelings thats for sure!

Sadly we switched our dyno since we have last done a C1 set, im going to try and get a car in here to do a run with and have accurate info!




Thank you for all the kind words everyone, glad we could finally make this happen!



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Thanks
-Daelen

Even though these are on my to do list next year... had to buy now":happydance:

I have everything ported on my intake side except the heads of course. I'm also running the Z1 intakes, but just ordered the oversized filters. I'm wondering if the restriction is the CAI or the upper, lower, or TB's. I'm seriously interested. My Wife; not so much lol

I think it's the intake. If I recall correctly, the guy with the dry sump had 3 inch intakes and a 3 inch exhaust. He also had the manifold. Maybe phunk will be done with his soon ;)

I have already spoken with phunk about his manifold and my application as I chat with him often. He's not of the opinion that his manifold would produce any significant gains at this point. The factory manifold design is actually very good as evident by it still making power above redline with these cams. The issue is getting air into the manifold currently. Is that intake piping? It's likely a part of it. Is it TB diameter? Also likely. There's also a decent chance selective porting of the upper and perhaps lower can yield some gains as well.

I'll be working with Daelen to test once we can decide what the next step is. Personally, I'm gathering a list of options for the TBs and intake piping. It's a game of matching all the parts for a given goal for me.

Awesome sauce. You could go with a Bryant racing crank and forged internals. Bump the compression up 11:5 or something higher if you have a steady supply of E. add in some cylinder head work to support higher revs or get a bigger cam something like the jun 288??? Maybe??

Yeah, we've talked over this engine for a long time and some of those parts are still on list of things we could try. The crank is likely to happen but there are other options currently. If all goes to plan I'll likely build a new short block with some sort of increased compression and go flex fuel for the street. That's the easy part, it is just a matter of budget and timing. The head work is a bit more tedious. As of today there are not parts to do what I want to do, similar to these C2 cams not existing. I"m stubborn and do not want to give up the VHR heads until they simply cannot do what I want to do. Lucky for me I think MA is curious enough to keep working on solutions.

As for the Jun cams, I talked to Jun about them for a while. Without a similar short block build to how they tested them, they did not recommend using them. That was surprising to me.

I am looking into if any of my friends still have some ported parts I can swap on and test. I've had a ported plenum before and it did not test well on the dyno even after being tuned for it. My guess was lack of velocity. I'd also like to get my hands on a set of larger TBs to try but I don't have anyone local to bribe into letting me swap them over and see what happens.

I've got a set of the EPS 70mm throttles combined with AAM intakes. I can tell you they do make more power.

Well what else would be ideal to have installed while the engine is out I guess is the question I meant to ask

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Stock compression on the VHR is 11.0:1 --- 11.5 would not see much of a gain really. 12.5:1 Would be where I would like to go on an NA engine.



Pretty much the same package we did on Jarreds honestly.

Cams
Springs
Oil galley Gaskets
Water pump
(If mileage is high, timing components)
Oil pump


If you do not already have headers on the car, with the engine out it makes life much much easier.



-Daelen

here is what i have on my list of to dos so far..planning this for April or May of next year

JWT Stage 2 cams
suckerpunch upgraded oil pump

Stage 1 heads from import part pros
Heads inspected and cleaned
Heads redecked
Ported exhaust and intake runners
3 angle valve job
New OEM Valve stem seals installed
Valve Stem Heights set
Cold Clearance set for stock cams
Heads prepped and assembled

+1mm oversized valves

ported lower plenum

change plugs on car

change water pump

inspect timing chain

then a ecutek retune

:drool: great work and results. I'm definitely adding these to the list. Can't make it stretch at the moment, but I'm definitely in for future reference. Keep it up guys

Also, Derraj, PM sent

Shoot me a PM, would love to chat about the build and see if I could be of any help. We may have some options that would work for what you are looking to do.


-Daelen

Group buy posted!


http://www.the370z.com/group-buys/12...ml#post3685430

I verified gen 2 cams on my heads coming from IPP. short block stage 2 from Z1. the car should be on the dyno by mid September

You may want to double check this, as we are the only retailer of the C2 camshafts currently. They will have to buy them from me directly and I do not have any orders from them as of now.


-Daelen

Hmm I will. I just spoke with them and he said they only have been out for a week or so and he got them directly from JWT.

The C2 cams should have an incredible midrange charge with the 350 HR plenum. I can't wait to see the dyno. Hope you will do one.

while i am doing a before and after dyno its more than just cams i am doing so i wont have any true cam numbers..
this is my list

JWT Stage 2 cams
suckerpunch upgraded oil pump
Urethane Transmission Mount
Urethane Motor Mounts
Ported throttle bodies
ported lower plenum
new spark plugs
new water pump
Wilwood Big Brake Kit, Front & Rear
3 inch intake (AdminTuning)