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Spooler 12-11-2015 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3365725)
So I found a real crappy video from after we put them in. Hit up the customer to see if he can stop by one of these days.


As for doing it in the car, we have done it. Saves you MAYBE 2 hours, and adds a large amount more curse words, and anger. 100% worth it to pull the engine.


Its best to pair it with other parts, long tubes are a good example as installing those with the cradle dropped is much easier also.

It looks like a 12-15hr job to do it in the car.

Dahawkster 12-12-2015 01:54 AM

Damn I wish the install wasnt so crazy.

MAMotorsports 12-14-2015 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3366169)
It looks like a 12-15hr job to do it in the car.


Its possible for sure, but, this is a job that you really really really want to take your time on. I have a tech here that has done this many times, and I would still be hesitant to say 15hrs for it in car. We just did one last week, and id say he had about 18hrs into it (This would be his 7th time id say)


Should have a car in this week to grab a video of idle!

Spooler 12-14-2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3367261)
Its possible for sure, but, this is a job that you really really really want to take your time on. I have a tech here that has done this many times, and I would still be hesitant to say 15hrs for it in car. We just did one last week, and id say he had about 18hrs into it (This would be his 7th time id say)


Should have a car in this week to grab a video of idle!

Just thinking about it makes my shoulders hurt again. Holding air tools above your head most of the day sucks.

Elmo370z 12-14-2015 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3367261)
Its possible for sure, but, this is a job that you really really really want to take your time on. I have a tech here that has done this many times, and I would still be hesitant to say 15hrs for it in car. We just did one last week, and id say he had about 18hrs into it (This would be his 7th time id say)


Should have a car in this week to grab a video of idle!

Wish i still lived in MD, You guys woud have my business installing the cam

ANMVQ 01-21-2016 06:31 PM

Anything happen with this , vid , dyno ?

MAMotorsports 01-22-2016 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 3394129)
Anything happen with this , vid , dyno ?


Sent the Idle video out to a few people, I guess I forgot to post it up in here!


This is a built motor, with the C1 cams, and a Fast Intentions Stage2 Turbo Kit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyciOGUuK7c


This is a Dyno Graph from a bone stock 370Z with the Cams
http://www.ma-motorsports.com/wp-con...WT370ZDYNO.jpg

chuckie311 01-22-2016 09:27 AM

cant even tell there is a cam in it!!
How is stage 2 coming along.. any updates

ANMVQ 01-22-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3394566)
Sent the Idle video out to a few people, I guess I forgot to post it up in here!


This is a built motor, with the C1 cams, and a Fast Intentions Stage2 Turbo Kit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyciOGUuK7c


This is a Dyno Graph from a bone stock 370Z with the Cams
http://www.ma-motorsports.com/wp-con...WT370ZDYNO.jpg


I might have to put these on my list, Too bad you guys are so FAR away. That's no tune either ??

Eclipz 01-22-2016 11:16 AM

Nice, these must be a better option than Jun cams for sure.

MAMotorsports 01-22-2016 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckie311 (Post 3394597)
cant even tell there is a cam in it!!
How is stage 2 coming along.. any updates

Yeah they are real mild for the gains we have seen.

We hope to be ready to test in about 2 months on the Stage 2s

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 3394725)
I might have to put these on my list, Too bad you guys are so FAR away. That's no tune either ??

We are not THAT far away! Come visit :hello:

The car was previously tuned, but no changes where made after the cams where installed before this graph.


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Originally Posted by Eclipz (Post 3394738)
Nice, these must be a better option than Jun cams for sure.

From everything we have seen, we agree!

Wonka2581 01-22-2016 01:23 PM

Any video of how the car sounds?

chuckie311 01-23-2016 10:30 AM

Scroll back a few post for the video

Elmo370z 01-27-2016 10:08 PM

I wonder what numbers this cam will make with aam manifold, eps 70mm tb's and ipp's heads with an ecu tek tune. Stock rev limiter and with a nismo or dry sump set up to increase the revs a tad bit more

chuckie311 01-27-2016 10:56 PM

With the nismo oil pump you can go up to 8500 rpms.. So I'm hoping it will make power all the way up there

Elmo370z 01-28-2016 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckie311 (Post 3399464)
With the nismo oil pump you can go up to 8500 rpms.. So I'm hoping it will make power all the way up there

Only thing with the nismo pump is sustaining that rpm could be catastrophic.It should make power up to that, from what 1slow posted ages ago.

Elmo370z 01-28-2016 12:51 AM

Next year chuck, i want that 6 pack of vegas craft beer

Chuck33079 01-28-2016 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3399489)
Next year chuck, i want that 6 pack of vegas craft beer

:roflpuke2:

Let's see that dyno.

imjello 01-28-2016 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3399488)
Only thing with the nismo pump is sustaining that rpm could be catastrophic.It should make power up to that, from what 1slow posted ages ago.

since this was brought up, why is or is not the nismo pump the solution for higher then stock rev limits? I could never find factual information towards this product. with the nismo pump is 8k safe?

i guess i dont understand why people would go dry sump if this exists

thanks!

Chuck33079 01-28-2016 08:02 AM

It's made tough enough to withstand the occasional mis shift or run up to 8500, not spending a lot of time in that portion of the tach.

chuckie311 01-28-2016 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3399488)
Only thing with the nismo pump is sustaining that rpm could be catastrophic.It should make power up to that, from what 1slow posted ages ago.

that's one thing ill have to remember when i do my engine build..
there has to be a better solution then..i love driving in the upper RPMS..

MAMotorsports 01-28-2016 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by imjello (Post 3399593)
since this was brought up, why is or is not the nismo pump the solution for higher then stock rev limits? I could never find factual information towards this product. with the nismo pump is 8k safe?

i guess i dont understand why people would go dry sump if this exists

thanks!

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3399599)
It's made tough enough to withstand the occasional mis shift or run up to 8500, not spending a lot of time in that portion of the tach.



Spot on, the factory pump will have problems with anything over 7500 really.

The NISMO Pump will take a few pulls to 8-8500 but not over an extended period of time, its just a good safety net really. The other issue with sustaining that RPM will be the VVEL system as it could start to float the valves.

Morfiy 01-28-2016 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3394902)

From everything we have seen, we agree!

Not agree, based on what? Any comparison?

Elmo370z 01-28-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3399599)
It's made tough enough to withstand the occasional mis shift or run up to 8500, not spending a lot of time in that portion of the tach.

Next year chuck, In the process of buying parts as they come avaliable. Depending how close i get worth pump, i may go with c-16 tune as well.

chuckie311 01-28-2016 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3399685)
Spot on, the factory pump will have problems with anything over 7500 really.

The NISMO Pump will take a few pulls to 8-8500 but not over an extended period of time, its just a good safety net really. The other issue with sustaining that RPM will be the VVEL system as it could start to float the valves.


If you are building a engine for higher RPMS is dry a sump the way to go then?
Along with new valve springs and so fourth when you're building the engine..
When I do my stroker kit engine build I would like to be able to safely be up in the higher RPMS with out worry 8500 or so

Elmo370z 01-28-2016 12:01 PM

You doing a forced induction or all motor?

Elmo370z 01-28-2016 12:10 PM

I wonder will the system have a fail safe? Just say the belt comes off by some strange miracle. I know the new sting ray vettes have that system in place, it runs off a wet sump system and when it needs more oil the dry sump comes into play, something like that. Also from 1slow mounting of the tank, would you build a cage around the tank so just incase something bad happened and the tank ruptured hot oil wouldn't go flying around the inside of the car cooking you like a pot of crawfish.

MAMotorsports 01-28-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Morfiy (Post 3399703)
Not agree, based on what? Any comparison?


Just based on the dyno graph on the first page compared to the ones available for the JUN cams on similar set ups(Not the built high compression motor). There have also been some issues with the JUN cams idling correctly without having to bump the idle RPM up considerably, not something we like to do on most street applications.


The other huge selling point is state side customer support, I realize this does not have an impact on you. But JWT has been tremendous to work with, and takes very good care of their customers via quick support and a vast knowledge of the VQ platform. JUN is very hard to communicate with here in the US, so its a hard product to support with any questions that need to be answered.

ANMVQ 01-28-2016 12:21 PM

Daelen I sent you a PM yesterday did you get it?

chuckie311 01-28-2016 12:23 PM

Staying all motor..would like to build one heck of a NA car

Elmo370z 01-28-2016 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckie311 (Post 3399869)
Staying all motor..would like to build one heck of a NA car

Awesome good luck with the build.

Morfiy 01-28-2016 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3399862)
Just based on the dyno graph on the first page compared to the ones available for the JUN cams on similar set ups(Not the built high compression motor). There have also been some issues with the JUN cams idling correctly without having to bump the idle RPM up considerably, not something we like to do on most street applications.





The other huge selling point is state side customer support, I realize this does not have an impact on you. But JWT has been tremendous to work with, and takes very good care of their customers via quick support and a vast knowledge of the VQ platform. JUN is very hard to communicate with here in the US, so its a hard product to support with any questions that need to be answered.


Idle issue can be solved by consult, after cams installation and VVEL plus Throttle reset procedure. Didn't suffer any major issue with JUN cams, everything is straight forward. I guess the same procedure as with JWT cams, but here there're no springs etc
You're right about support, but then what kind of support you need from manufacturer If we're talking about bolt-on solution. The only one answer I did asked Junichi-san was: "what is the clearance?" As whole instruction was written on Japanese)

ANMVQ 01-29-2016 07:04 AM

Talked to Daelen great guy( thanx man) we spoke for about 20 mins I think I'm going to go with STG1's but may change my mind in a few months when we might have some info on the STG2's. Only reason is I do not want a very lumpy idle. I'll have to see what it idles like and the WTRQ difference. BTW I still can't find the idle vid of the STG1's. :/

MAMotorsports 01-29-2016 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 3400317)
Talked to Daelen great guy( thanx man) we spoke for about 20 mins I think I'm going to go with STG1's but may change my mind in a few months when we might have some info on the STG2's. Only reason is I do not want a very lumpy idle. I'll have to see what it idles like and the WTRQ difference. BTW I still can't find the idle vid of the STG1's. :/


Thank you for calling man, was good to chat with you!

Here is this video.

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3394566)
Sent the Idle video out to a few people, I guess I forgot to post it up in here!


This is a built motor, with the C1 cams, and a Fast Intentions Stage2 Turbo Kit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyciOGUuK7c


This is a Dyno Graph from a bone stock 370Z with the Cams
http://www.ma-motorsports.com/wp-con...WT370ZDYNO.jpg


chuckie311 01-29-2016 12:16 PM

why cant you guys be closer to the west coast to take all my money for a stoker kit engine build..lol

MAMotorsports 01-29-2016 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckie311 (Post 3400555)
why cant you guys be closer to the west coast to take all my money for a stoker kit engine build..lol


We have zero issues with shipping cars or engines :) If you would like to shoot me a call, would be more than happy to chat! 410-593-7080

We have a shipper that is from out west that has taken care of a few of our customers cars.

chuckie311 01-29-2016 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3400573)
We have zero issues with shipping cars or engines :) If you would like to shoot me a call, would be more than happy to chat! 410-593-7080

We have a shipper that is from out west that has taken care of a few of our customers cars.

will look in to this as it gets closer to when im ready to start the build

Elmo370z 02-19-2016 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MAMotorsports (Post 3315937)
Once thing to be aware of, and I am working with JWT to nail down some solid info. For a brief period of time Nissan did not do a DLC coating on the exhaust side cam bucket. Those buckets are required for these cams due to the tolerances. Its an easy and cheap swap, and once we have exact manufacture dates I will keep everyone updated as far as who needs to buy those with the cams.

You ever find out the info on those dates?

synolimit 02-19-2016 03:06 PM

I always see huge gains on these cars no matter the item when it's a first mod! Have you guys installed these when a buyer had nothing else to bolt on?? I'd love to see that increase.

MAMotorsports 02-19-2016 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 3418022)
I always see huge gains on these cars no matter the item when it's a first mod! Have you guys installed these when a buyer had nothing else to bolt on?? I'd love to see that increase.


Honestly we have not, would be interesting to see.


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