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Rusty 02-09-2015 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3106523)
Rusty, did you install it yet?

It's been on since last summer and did 2 trackdays with it. Knowing you, I know the next question. :icon17: Text me tonight about 8pm est. Ok? :icon17:

jwick 02-09-2015 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3106594)
It's been on since last summer and did 2 trackdays with it. Knowing you, I know the next question. :icon17: Text me tonight about 8pm est. Ok? :icon17:

If Phunk is going to use it as a template...I wants one :excited:

phunk 02-09-2015 04:49 PM

LOL I dont really need the pan in my hand, I can just as easily get the bolt pattern and flange off my Z. Its only a nights work of CAD. But I am curious about the hinge system for the baffles. IMHO its very important that it be a reliable system that remains active. If it ever seized up, its going to be bad news by drying out that pickup in short order. Rather than wing it as a first-timer in active oil pan baffling, I would like to at least examine how others have done it first.

Simple 2D billet parts like that are by far the easiest products to get from concept to reality. I dont have enough of those. Do we know for sure nobody else is going to sell that pan? I dont want to step on anyone's toes.

Felix 808 02-09-2015 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3105709)
Well, the GTM pan doesn't have active baffles. And good luck on getting anything from GTM.

Not sure what is meant by "active baffles, but the GTM pan has one-way trap door baffles that help keep the oil at the pick up tube. It's a great pan from a lousy company. :cool:

phunk 02-09-2015 05:02 PM

^ It is comically wide... but might be a decently functional part.

BGTV8 02-09-2015 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3106612)
If Phunk is going to use it as a template...I wants one :excited:

Me too !!!!!!

Rusty 02-09-2015 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Felix 808 (Post 3106629)
Not sure what is meant by "active baffles, but the GTM pan has one-way trap door baffles that help keep the oil at the pick up tube. It's a great pan from a lousy company. :cool:

The pictures of inside of the GTM pan that I seen, just had the baffles cast into it. Didn't see anything that looked like trap doors. ;)

jrb55gh 02-09-2015 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3106638)
^ It is comically wide... but might be a decently functional part.

The GTM pan looks strange but there might be a useful function served by the width of the pan beyond that of the gasket surface. The oil held in the “wings” of the oil pan is mostly stagnant in normal street operation. However, I would think that in a high G turn at hi rpm that extra quart of oil in the wing on the inside of the turn would tend to flow through the active baffles into the pickup area to keep the oil level around the pickup high enough to avoid sucking air.

phunk 02-09-2015 11:13 PM

I think the largest impact it will have is making it very difficult to change your oil filter.

Felix 808 02-09-2015 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3106962)
I think the largest impact it will have is making it very difficult to change your oil filter.

It's not too bad, but if you have a Z-speed under-tray, the trap door will be useless.


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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3106769)
The pictures of inside of the GTM pan that I seen, just had the baffles cast into it. Didn't see anything that looked like trap doors. ;)

I believe your thinking of the Greddy pan http://www.greddy.com/upload/img/13525904_HRpan_b.jpg, this is optional baffle insert on the GTM pan
http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps3785078c.jpghttp://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...psac3ca6c9.jpg

FL 4Motion 02-10-2015 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3106620)
LOL I dont really need the pan in my hand, I can just as easily get the bolt pattern and flange off my Z. Its only a nights work of CAD. But I am curious about the hinge system for the baffles. IMHO its very important that it be a reliable system that remains active. If it ever seized up, its going to be bad news by drying out that pickup in short order. Rather than wing it as a first-timer in active oil pan baffling, I would like to at least examine how others have done it first.

Simple 2D billet parts like that are by far the easiest products to get from concept to reality. I dont have enough of those. Do we know for sure nobody else is going to sell that pan? I dont want to step on anyone's toes.

You make it, ill buy it, baffled oil pan that actually works aka am perf or "phunks oil pan forthcoming" (fingers crossed) along with nismo oil pump are on my short list.

JWillis72 02-10-2015 07:04 AM

Am I missing something? Has this been a problem for anyone or is this just you more oil in the car to help keep it cool? We trashed a Trans Am engine because of oiling problem and I remember looking it up about the Z right after that and the only problems I found were when the rev limiter was moved up.

Rusty 02-10-2015 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Felix 808 (Post 3106981)
It's not too bad, but if you have a Z-speed under-tray, the trap door will be useless.




I believe your thinking of the Greddy pan http://www.greddy.com/upload/img/13525904_HRpan_b.jpg, this is optional baffle insert on the GTM pan
http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps3785078c.jpghttp://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...psac3ca6c9.jpg

I remember seeing the GTM pan without the optional baffle. ;)

2011 Nismo#91 02-10-2015 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3107160)
Am I missing something? Has this been a problem for anyone or is this just you more oil in the car to help keep it cool? We trashed a Trans Am engine because of oiling problem and I remember looking it up about the Z right after that and the only problems I found were when the rev limiter was moved up.

Yep. solutions to a problem that only exists hypotheticly. And the oil pump gernading at high rpms won't be solved by baffles, the nismo race oil pump will solve it for much less then a dry sump setup.

phunk 02-10-2015 07:12 PM

I wish there was some solid information on the NISMO pump. Last I heard, the nismo DE/revup pumps grenade just the same with increased RPM. Havent heard any first hand information on the HR/VHR versions but I assume its the same case.


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